Our Own Planets?

[thesometimesaint]

You can barely tell the difference between Mormonism and the rest of Christianity if you rely on the sanitized lesson material.  Correlation is trying to convince the Evangelicals that we are just like them.  You willing to choose our current sanitized lesson material over the Prophet Joseph?  I don't think so.

 

Correlation has it pluses and minuses. The minus is that we don't have as much "Off the Reservation" type stuff that we used to. The plus is we don't have as much "Off the Reservation" type stuff that we used to.

[phaedrus ut]

This is also referenced in the Encyclopedia of Mormonism entry on Godhood. 

 

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that all resurrected and perfected mortals become gods. They will dwell again with God the Father, and live and act like him in endless worlds of happiness, power, love, glory, and knowledge; above all, they will have the power of procreating endless lives. 

 

[strappinglad]

Sorry , but it is the order of Heaven that " there needs be opposition in all things ". So, wherever there is joy there is sadness. If we are to procreate offspring , it is inevitable that there will eventually be heartbreak, worlds without end.

Also . I am concerned that if Paul or Peter or John said it in some letter to some branch of the Church 2000 years ago, that it is gospel doctrine without question, but if Wilford or Joseph or Spencer said it and it was recorded soon thereafter , it was probably just an opinion. I don't think the ancient 12 met and voted on the content of Paul's letters. Had they there might have been fewer placed in canon.... or maybe more of them.

Edited August 19, 2013 by strappinglad

[JDave]

There is plenty of well-intentioned and well-reasoned thoughts on what life will be like in heaven, but everyone in the church (EVERYONE) will agree that when it comes to details -- We Just Don't Know.

 

The good thing is we don't have to.  The outcome of such discussions are interesting and I don't think there is anything intrinsically wrong with them.  BUT...  If we aren't reaching out to our fellow man, if we aren't visiting the widows, strengthening the feeble knees, mourning with those that mourn, sharing our enthusiasm of the gospel with those around us and sharing that reason for the hope that is within us -- if we aren't becoming more like our Savior then the answer really won't be all that pertinent to us anyway.

[Calm]

You can barely tell the difference between Mormonism and the rest of Christianity if you rely on the sanitized lesson material.  Correlation is trying to convince the Evangelicals that we are just like them.  

Right....because Evangelical Christianity teaches stuff like this:

 

Additional scripture and open canon:

 

http://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-10-scriptures?lang=eng

 

Pre-existence as spiritual children of God the Father:

 

http://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-2-our-heavenly-family?lang=eng

 

Temples and proxy work:

 

http://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-40-temple-work-and-family-history?lang=eng

 

Eternal marriage:

 

http://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-38-eternal-marriage?lang=eng

 

Priesthood comes from authorized and ordained by God ministers, not the priesthood of all believers:

 

http://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-13-the-priesthood?lang=eng

 

The Fall was a good thing and Eve made a wise and blessed choice:

 

http://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-6-the-fall-of-adam-and-eve?lang=eng

 

We can become gods, have eternal increase and possess all that the Father and Son have, "all power, glory, dominion, and knowledge".

 

 

http://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-47-exaltation?lang=eng

 

Oh yeah, manuals are sounding exactly like Evangelical teaching now.  

Edited August 19, 2013 by calmoriah

[Ahab]

Admittedly, this is one part of LDS theology that I am not knowledgeable, mostly because I fear doing anything to offend Heavenly Father, the one that has been so loving to me. In my scant 2+ years of exposure to the church, I have come only a little way.  This is one where my husband would need to quiet me, and for once I would do it, um if I had one, that is. 

 

http://www.upworthy.com/its-ok-to-not-understand-these-pictures-our-brains-werent-built-to-handle-them-2?c=ufb1

Contrary to popular opinion, Jehovah and Michael aren't the only ones who go around finding space to create a new planet.  Not that all of us will help them, but they aren't the only ones who know how to do it, or will do it.  And not that they will be "our own" planet, as if they are our very own and nobody else's, because everything we will ever have will belong to our Father and be a part of his kingdom, so what is ours will also be his.  And our children's, too.  And in fact it will be because of our children that we'll be going around making new planets.  We certainly don't need more than one planet for us to have a planet to live on.

[Stone holm]

Contrary to popular opinion, Jehovah and Michael aren't the only ones who go around finding space to create a new planet.  Not that all of us will help them, but they aren't the only ones who know how to do it, or will do it.  And not that they will be "our own" planet, as if they are our very own and nobody else's, because everything we will ever have will belong to our Father and be a part of his kingdom, so what is ours will also be his.  And our children's, too.  And in fact it will be because of our children that we'll be going around making new planets.  We certainly don't need more than one planet for us to have a planet to live on.

 

Yes and it is unlikely they were the first.  Our planet now and in the hereafter is Earth, but like our Heavenly Father we will arrange for our spirit children to go out and organize planets for their spirit siblings to live on.  Its not terribly complex teachings -- I wouldn't even call it meat.

[Ahab]

Yes and it is unlikely they were the first.  Our planet now and in the hereafter is Earth, but like our Heavenly Father we will arrange for our spirit children to go out and organize planets for their spirit siblings to live on.  Its not terribly complex teachings -- I wouldn't even call it meat.

Complexity isn't what makes something milk or meat, or at least I don't think so.  I think of the milk as the stuff we need to absorb to get started on the path to perfection, while meat is the stuff we need to take in to be able to do all that our Father does.  First a person needs to be baptized and accept the gift fo the Holy Ghost, for example, while later on going on to create planets and places for our spiritual babies to live and grow up so that they too can do all that we can do, or will be able to do by then.

 

So, yeah, this stuff qualifies as meat, I think.  Creating and organizing planets for our babies is just about as adult as we can get.

[Tacenda]

Yes and it is unlikely they were the first. Our planet now and in the hereafter is Earth, but like our Heavenly Father we will arrange for our spirit children to go out and organize planets for their spirit siblings to live on. Its not terribly complex teachings -- I wouldn't even call it meat.

This must be the "politically correct" way of saying we will get planets. For many on the board it isn't correct at all, unless I'm reading them or you wrong.

[Ahab]

This must be the "politically correct" way of saying we will get planets. For many on the board it isn't correct at all, unless I'm reading them or you wrong.

Yes, some people are wrong, and you should read them that way when you read what they say.

[Calm]

Complexity isn't what makes something milk or meat, or at least I don't think so.  I think of the milk as the stuff we need to absorb to get started on the path to perfection, while meat is the stuff we need to take in to be able to do all that our Father does.  First a person needs to be baptized and accept the gift fo the Holy Ghost, for example, while later on going on to create planets and places for our spiritual babies to live and grow up so that they too can do all that we can do, or will be able to do by then.

 

So, yeah, this stuff qualifies as meat, I think.  Creating and organizing planets for our babies is just about as adult as we can get.

In my opinion, the Atonement is the meat of the gospel.  Meat is the most sustaining and filling food in the scriptures, so it is not necessarily that which is mysterious or less common or even learned later on, it is that which is the most important....which is God and the Atonement

[Ahab]

In my opinion, the Atonement is the meat of the gospel.  Meat is the most sustaining and filling food in the scriptures, so it is not necessarily that which is mysterious or less common or even learned later on, it is that which is the most important....which is God and the Atonement

What fills and sustains a person is dependent upon his or her maturity level.  A baby can be filled and sustained on milk, alone, only later requiring more substantial food to fuel their more advanced body.  Everything is related to God and the Atonement, but there are things we need to know to get on the path to perfection, and then there are things we do after we are at or near our full stature and maturity level.

[Stargazer]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I will not settle for a planet. 

 

I want my own Universe.

[Stone holm]

Complexity isn't what makes something milk or meat, or at least I don't think so.  I think of the milk as the stuff we need to absorb to get started on the path to perfection, while meat is the stuff we need to take in to be able to do all that our Father does.  First a person needs to be baptized and accept the gift fo the Holy Ghost, for example, while later on going on to create planets and places for our spiritual babies to live and grow up so that they too can do all that we can do, or will be able to do by then.

 

So, yeah, this stuff qualifies as meat, I think.  Creating and organizing planets for our babies is just about as adult as we can get.

 

The way the "milk before meat" comment is currently used in the Church is to discourage much discussion of anything that the "world" might find controversial.  Interestingly, in the early Restoration there didn't seem to be much concern over the milk or meat distinction -- as Joseph Smith said "deep waters were what he was wont to swim in" -- with the advent of modern media the Church has become much less willing to discuss anything which the "world" thinks is controversial.  Its interesting while members are instructed to be in the world but not of the world, nevetheless we dumb down our teachings in order to conform to the world.

[CV75]

the advent of modern media

As times, circumstances and technology change, so does the manner in which we package and comunicate the Gospel message of truth. Once people feel the power of the Spirit, enter the covenants, and possess the actual Gift of the Holy Ghost, they can find out anything of eternal value that they want to.

 

In February 1847 Joseph Smith appeared to Brigham Young in a dream and said: "Tell the people to be humble and faithful, and be sure to keep the Spirit of the Lord, and it will lead them right. Be careful and not turn away the small still voice; it will teach you how to do and where to go; it will yield the fruits of the kingdom. Tell the brethren to keep their hearts open to conviction, so that when the Holy Ghost comes to them, their hearts will be ready to receive it. They can tell the Spirit of the Lord from all other spirits; it will whisper peace and joy to their souls; it will take malice, hatred, strife, and all evil from their hearts; and their whole desire will be to do good, bring forth righteousness and build up the kingdom of God. Tell the brethren if they will follow the Spirit of the Lord they will go right. Be sure to tell the people to keep the Spirit of the Lord; and if they will, they will find themselves just as they were organized by our Father in Heaven before they came into the world. Tell the people to be sure to keep the Spirit of the Lord and follow it, and it will lead them just right." -- Brigham Young, vision, Feb. 17, 1847, in Brigham Young Office Files, 1832–1878, Archives of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Salt Lake City, Utah; spelling, punctuation, and capitalization modernized.

[mnn727]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I will not settle for a planet. 

 

I want my own Universe.

Or at least a galaxy. I could be happy with that.

[thesometimesaint]

We do get a universe of our own. A universe of possibilities.

[Stone holm]

Or at least a galaxy. I could be happy with that.

 

Galaxy perhaps, but if Kolob is in this Universe, then I expect that we have to share the Universe with other gods.

[LoudmouthMormon]

On the subject of there being life on other planets:

How many planets are there with people on them? We don’t know. There appear to be none in our own solar system, but we are not alone in the universe. We see the universe differently and correctly. God is not the God of only one planet! We see how the perspective we have is expanded dramatically by the revelations of the Restoration.

The Wondrous Restoration By Elder Neal A. Maxwell - Ensign, April 2003

 

On the main subject of "getting your own planet", Joseph Fielding Smith spoke in October 1967 General Conference about it:

We are in school, the mortal school, to gain the experiences, the training, the joys, and the sufferings that we partake of, that we might be educated in all these things and be prepared, if we are faithful and true to the commandments of the Lord, to become sons and daughters of God, joint heirs with Jesus Christ; and in His presence to go on to a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever, and perhaps through our faithfulness to have the opportunity of building worlds and peopling them.

 

 

His talk was quoted in the Gospel Classics section of the Ensign, January 2006 (where I cut and pasted from).

 

It ain't exactly a "King Follett Sermon only" notion.

Edited August 20, 2013 by LoudmouthMormon

[Tacenda]

LoudmouthMormon, January 2006 seems pretty current to me, therefore it might not be off the table quite yet.

[Maidservant]

I really want to defuse this, I'm sorry.

 

Having a planet has nothing to do with being a God.

 

Ideas for how to terraform Venus, the Moon and Mars and all the planets we now know have been being thought about for a long time.  (Were we to re-direct some of our defense funding this way perhaps . . .?)

 

I'm sure there is someone out there fiddling with axis and orbit and how to coalesce solid objects (planets) from hot, gaseous material (star beds, nebula).

 

It's a matter of technology to be able to form a planet, and as the human race continues, assuming we don't blow each other up and lose our momentum of knowledge, the chances that we will know how to do this type of thing is 100 percent.  And probably sooner than later, since technological knowledge makes leaps instead of just puttering along gradually.

 

Of course, it can be said that all of the 'scientific' and technological knowledge we enjoy is a product of the pouring out of the Spirit, and I have no problem with that paradigm, but surely a God that can inspire a microchip, cell phones, internet (oh, wait, that was Mr. G), cloning, surely would not draw the line at geological formation as some sort of priesthood right untouchable by the so-called telestials (but telecommunications okay!).

 

I don't buy it.

 

Somebody or a group of somebodies (a committee!) obviously built this planet, because it's here.

 

But while it is miraculous and mysterious, as all creations are, it's not any more amazing than planting a garden, creating a piece of music, painting a piece of art, desigining laser technology, giving birth--and we all do that by virtue of being human.

 

Continuing to think that owning a planet is some sort of untalkable, untouchable, beyond amazing thing for only a God, only one God, is an artifact of mythological, dark ages paradigms--not what is feasible to be thinking when faced with the level of creation we experience on a daily basis in our modern world.

Edited August 21, 2013 by Maidservant

[EllenMaksoud]

Go back and read my post. Reading comprehension is important. Then try a less aggressive attitude. You want to start over?

 

You are being rude.  Do not question a poster's intelligence.

Sorry, you are right. I was being rude. I am sorry.

[rodheadlee]

My planet will be a sailor's paradise. No storms, winds 15-20kts, 82*F water, maybe air temp range of 78*-88*F, plenty of islands to visit and lot's of wildlife. Kind of like Florida without the hurricanes. You all can visit any time you like.

[Stone holm]

I really want to defuse this, I'm sorry.

 

Having a planet has nothing to do with being a God.

 

Ideas for how to terraform Venus, the Moon and Mars and all the planets we now know have been being thought about for a long time.  (Were we to re-direct some of our defense funding this way perhaps . . .?)

 

I'm sure there is someone out there fiddling with axis and orbit and how to coalesce solid objects (planets) from hot, gaseous material (star beds, nebula).

 

It's a matter of technology to be able to form a planet, and as the human race continues, assuming we don't blow each other up and lose our momentum of knowledge, the chances that we will know how to do this type of thing is 100 percent.  And probably sooner than later, since technological knowledge makes leaps instead of just puttering along gradually.

 

Of course, it can be said that all of the 'scientific' and technological knowledge we enjoy is a product of the pouring out of the Spirit, and I have no problem with that paradigm, but surely a God that can inspire a microchip, cell phones, internet (oh, wait, that was Mr. G), cloning, surely would not draw the line at geological formation as some sort of priesthood right untouchable by the so-called telestials (but telecommunications okay!).

 

I don't buy it.

 

Somebody or a group of somebodies (a committee!) obviously built this planet, because it's here.

 

But while it is miraculous and mysterious, as all creations are, it's not any more amazing than planting a garden, creating a piece of music, painting a piece of art, desigining laser technology, giving birth--and we all do that by virtue of being human.

 

Continuing to think that owning a planet is some sort of untalkable, untouchable, beyond amazing thing for only a God, only one God, is an artifact of mythological, dark ages paradigms--not what is feasible to be thinking when faced with the level of creation we experience on a daily basis in our modern world.

 

So you think the plan is to have Telestials roaming the Universe?  And Mark Twain said you go to heaven for the climate and hell for the company....wonder what he would have made of that concept.

[The Nehor]

A single planet? Some people truly lack ambition.