Pls share the procedure for selecting a new Temple's workers (Presidency, Recorder, Assistant Recorders, Sealers, etc.)

[nuclearfuels]

I think the Area 70 under inspiration according to the keys they hold and jurisdiction they serve over, make the selection - based on good information from local stake presidencies (?).

Why am I asking?

I'd like to write a letter to the person(s) who makes the selection and share w/ them the experience (prior callings) of someone who'll be serving in the new Temple. He plans to serve as an ordinance worker and did not in any way ask me to write such a letter.

I feel this contributed to the: good info leads to good inspiration theme/goal/etc.

[awyatt]

I believe the Area Seventy recommends the temple president, which must be approved by the First Presidency. Temple Recorder is a paid, full-time church position. It is not considered an ecclesiastical calling, so therefore is most likely handled through the Temple Department. Assistant recorders are typically, IIRC, callings, just like sealers are. People for these callings are recommended by stake presidents within the temple district.

 

[nuclearfuels]

32 minutes ago, awyatt said:

just like sealers are

I suppose this is most likely the position I'm advocating for my friend. 

Perhaps it would be more beneficial for me to write a letter to his stake presidency??

[CV75]

44 minutes ago, nuclearfuels said:

I think the Area 70 under inspiration according to the keys they hold and jurisdiction they serve over, make the selection - based on good information from local stake presidencies (?).

Why am I asking?

I'd like to write a letter to the person(s) who makes the selection and share w/ them the experience (prior callings) of someone who'll be serving in the new Temple. He plans to serve as an ordinance worker and did not in any way ask me to write such a letter.

I feel this contributed to the: good info leads to good inspiration theme/goal/etc.

[JAHS]

Recommending Temple Workers
Potential temple workers are identified in the following ways:
Members identified by the bishop or another ward leader
Members who approach the bishop about serving.
Members recommended by the temple president, the matron, or another temple leader
Members who are preparing for or have recently returned from missionary service (see chapter 24)

The names of potential temple workers are submitted using the Recommend Temple Worker tool. This tool is available to bishops, stake presidents, and temple presidencies. The process for submitting names is outlined below.

When members of a temple presidency identify a potential temple worker, they submit the person’s name to the bishop using the Recommend Temple Worker tool.

When a bishop identifies a potential temple worker or receives a recommendation from a temple president, he counsels with the member about the opportunity to serve. He reviews the requirements for temple ordinance workers (see 25.5.2) or temple volunteers (see 25.5.3). If both the bishop and the member feel the opportunity would be appropriate, the bishop completes and submits the recommendation using the Recommend Temple Worker tool. The member should understand that a submitted recommendation does not ensure that he or she will be called or assigned as a temple worker.

The recommendation is next reviewed by the stake president for members living in a stake. For members living in a district, the mission president reviews it. If the stake or mission president approves the recommendation, he submits it to the temple president for review using the Recommend Temple Worker tool.

Members who are called or assigned as temple workers normally commit to a regular time to serve in the temple each week. Leaders should avoid issuing additional callings that would interfere with members’ ability to serve in the temple.

 

[mfbukowski]

On 1/5/2024 at 11:25 AM, nuclearfuels said:

I think the Area 70 under inspiration according to the keys they hold and jurisdiction they serve over, make the selection - based on good information from local stake presidencies (?).

Why am I asking?

I'd like to write a letter to the person(s) who makes the selection and share w/ them the experience (prior callings) of someone who'll be serving in the new Temple. He plans to serve as an ordinance worker and did not in any way ask me to write such a letter.

I feel this contributed to the: good info leads to good inspiration theme/goal/etc.

Ordinance worker?

Just go to your Bishop and he will take care of it.

OR go to the temple and ask them.

They always need more volunteers- if you can honestly qualify for a recommend.

That's all that's necessary 

An administrative position paid with real money?  Entirely different.  Go talk to the Recorder and tell him you want his job. 🥺

All that is handled in the realms of mystery.... 😉

[mfbukowski]

23 hours ago, nuclearfuels said:

I suppose this is most likely the position I'm advocating for my friend. 

Perhaps it would be more beneficial for me to write a letter to his stake presidency??

That only shows he's afraid to ask the SP himself?

"What's wrong with this guy"? Would be what I would be thinking if I was the SP.

Too timid to do it for himself?

Sealers usually have years and years of temple experience and are CALLED, it is like asking how one gets to be a Bishop.

You don't write a letter to somebody's SP and suggest that bro X should be the bishop.

If an SP got such a letter, he would very kindly tear it up, while investigating what was "really" behind it.

Edited January 6, 2024 by mfbukowski

[Calm]

1 hour ago, mfbukowski said:

Too timid to do it for himself?

Probably too self effacing like humble people often are

[Stargazer]

On 1/5/2024 at 8:06 PM, nuclearfuels said:

I suppose this is most likely the position I'm advocating for my friend. 

Perhaps it would be more beneficial for me to write a letter to his stake presidency??

No, your friend needs to advocate for himself.

As had been said by others, he should just go see his bishop.

However, the sealer calling is a bit different from "standard" ordinance worker. If I do not recall incorrectly, sealers have to be approved by SLC in the same way that bishops are. And are recommended by the temple presidency.

[mfbukowski]

9 hours ago, Calm said:

Probably too self effacing like humble people often are

Self effacing because they want to do more ministering?

I suppose one would have to see it as a "higher" calling than say, doing family history or teaching primary.

It is not.  And it's a voluntary calling usually initiated by the member, but some may be "called" in the usual sense if the temple really needs workers 

It is not "self effacing" to NOT decide to serve in the temple, any more than it is to desire to attend the temple, assuming of course one has stayed temple worthy.

To me, it is a bit like NOT going to college because one is "self effacing".  You essentially have an opportunity to memorize the entire endowment 

It doesn't make sense to me to see it that way.

 

Edited January 7, 2024 by mfbukowski

[Diamondhands69]

7 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

Sealers usually have years and years of temple experience and are CALLED, it is like asking how one gets to be a Bishop.

Who calls a sealer?

[mfbukowski]

1 hour ago, Diamondhands69 said:

Who calls a sealer?

It's complicated and I don't know the full procedure.  I have a close friend who was a sealer and then a temple president.

I can't say that I know anything more than that.

[mfbukowski]

On 1/5/2024 at 11:25 AM, nuclearfuels said:

I think the Area 70 under inspiration according to the keys they hold and jurisdiction they serve over, make the selection - based on good information from local stake presidencies (?).

Why am I asking?

I'd like to write a letter to the person(s) who makes the selection and share w/ them the experience (prior callings) of someone who'll be serving in the new Temple. He plans to serve as an ordinance worker and did not in any way ask me to write such a letter.

I feel this contributed to the: good info leads to good inspiration theme/goal/etc.

This is, I think the third thread on this and related similar questions in which it was clear the you were the person seeking a paying temple "job".

Now it's for a "friend"?

IMO we have exhausted the subject, they have been quite repetitive.

[Stargazer]

On 1/7/2024 at 3:38 AM, Diamondhands69 said:

Who calls a sealer?

I read about this quite some time back, and if I recall correctly, a sealer is called after First Presidency/Q12 approval upon recommendation of the temple president in a manner similar to how a bishop or patriarch is recommended by a stake president. 

[mfbukowski]

1 hour ago, Stargazer said:

I read about this quite some time back, and if I recall correctly, a sealer is called after First Presidency/Q12 approval upon recommendation of the temple president in a manner similar to how a bishop or patriarch is recommended by a stake president. 

I think you are right.  IIRC, when I was called to be bishop, the words of the SP were "The First Presidency has authorized me to call you to be the BISHOP of the Xyz ward...."

Scariest words I have ever heard.... 

 

[JustAnAustralian]

2 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

Scariest words I have ever heard.... 

One of my guilty pleasures as Stake Exec sec, is booking the calling appointments for soon-to-be Bishops.

Quote

 

Dear Brother XXXX,

Would you and Sister XXXX be available to meet with <Stake President> this Sunday at <Time>?

Regards,

<me>

 

On the flip side, because the FP approval can be elongated process, there is also the frustrating crossover time where I have to keep sending things to the current Bishop, with me (but not them) knowing they are going to be released and probably won't actually be in that position when the thing I am sending them comes around.

 

edit: In regard to sealers: From the handbook

Quote

Active sealers in a temple should not be called to serve in bishoprics. Sealers are called under the direction of the President of the Church.

 

Edited January 9, 2024 by JustAnAustralian

[mfbukowski]

6 hours ago, JustAnAustralian said:

One of my guilty pleasures as Stake Exec sec, is booking the calling appointments for soon-to-be Bishops.

On the flip side, because the FP approval can be elongated process, there is also the frustrating crossover time where I have to keep sending things to the current Bishop, with me (but not them) knowing they are going to be released and probably won't actually be in that position when the thing I am sending them comes around.

 

edit: In regard to sealers: From the handbook

 

Oh yeah!

Bishops cannot be temple workers either during the time they are bishops 

Each calling requires a heavy time commitment, and both cannot be done at the same time.

Bishops can easily spend 40 hours a week on their callings, if they are doing all they are supposed to be doing well, visiting all the folks they should visit etc., finding, then working with those wanting to be removed, etc.

Members don't do their "ministry" stuff, and someone should at least try.

It's easy to get burnout.

Edited January 9, 2024 by mfbukowski

[nuclearfuels]

On 1/8/2024 at 2:53 AM, mfbukowski said:

IMO we have exhausted the subject, they have been quite repetitive.

Not too exhausted to respond though, eh?

As it turns out - there seems to be more than one Temple in these latter days, and more than one person I'd like to suggest for positions. 

I pray for your permission to do so.

[MiserereNobis]

On 1/8/2024 at 10:13 PM, mfbukowski said:

Bishops can easily spend 40 hours a week on their callings, if they are doing all they are supposed to be doing well, visiting all the folks they should visit etc., finding, then working with those wanting to be removed, etc.

Does this come at the expense of his family?

One possible reason in favor of a celibate priesthood?

(Priests aren’t celibate by dogma but tradition. Eastern Catholic priests can be married)

[Calm]

40 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

One possible reason in favor of a celibate priesthood?

Very good reason for celibate or full time paid clergy imo. Having family feel there is a tug of war between them and the ward can be hard, though certainly not all families of bishops feel that way or don’t feel that way very much. 

There are other good reasons not to have such.

Each community should have the choice of choosing what balance they want without the criticism of others, imo. 

Edited January 18, 2024 by Calm

[mfbukowski]

2 hours ago, MiserereNobis said:

Does this come at the expense of his family?

One possible reason in favor of a celibate priesthood?

Great, great question!

Nope.

Family is prime AND a requirement of even BEING a Bishop.  Our Doctrine is that we try to emulate Our Father and become LIKE him.

It is often said that the bishop is the "father" of the ward, and so he should be, ideally.  Each person is to do this individually; it is a self- perfection kind of ethic to first minister to your own family while others do the same.

We are called by others; it is not as if we want to be a bishop when we grow up WE do not pick the path, we are CALLED to it, "as was Aaron".

Someone else in higher authority picks YOU for the life you are living.

The mentality is based on service AFTER we have shown ourselves to DO what is required to be "like God", we don't pick our own "Vocation"; as good servants we accept the challenges presented to us, and obey our "Boss".  Jokingly I often refer to what "The Boss" wants of us.

It's a totally different way of seeing our relationship with God, yet similar in many ways.  

It essentially becomes a question for an individual about what they believe God wants for them,  in Catholicism but a "calling" from someone else, based on inspiration hopefully and experience for LDS.

1 Tim 3.

3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

² A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

³ Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

⁴ One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

⁵ (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

⁶ Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

⁷ Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Edited January 18, 2024 by mfbukowski