Interesting (lamenated) sign at Church building.

[provoman]

Building is in Utah, single chapel, one set of doors at back of building and one foyer enterance on each of the building.

The back doors have a sign to keep them locked on Sunday, such that one can only enter through the foyer doors.

 

 

Edited November 27, 2022 by provoman

[Chum]

26 minutes ago, provoman said:

The back doors have a sign to keep them locked on Sunday, such that one can only enter through the foyer doors.

Sounds like the War On People With Anxiety might be back. During 2nd hour, are members being bullied into squeezing into as little room as possible?

[LoudmouthMormon]

Stuff like that shows up for a reason.  I'm guessing the reason would have something to do with someone unrelated to Sunday worship entering in through those doors and was up to no good.  Like transients sneaking in and messing up a bathroom.  Or some angry ex-member sneaking in to set off a smoke bomb.  Or one of the youth arranging a clandestine meeting with a nonmember of the opposite sex when they can sneak out of YM/YW and make out in the dark unlocked baptismal changing area.  Basically, stuff involving sneaking.

Or maybe it's Chum's idea of church leadership waging war on vulnerable people and wanting to bully a congregation or something.  But I'd bet ten bucks whatever the reason, it ain't that.

[bluebell]

1 hour ago, Chum said:

Sounds like the War On People With Anxiety might be back. During 2nd hour, are members being bullied into squeezing into as little room as possible?

I’m assuming it’s a security issue. People can still leave through the locked doors. They just can’t enter. 

[InCognitus]

2 hours ago, provoman said:

Building is in Utah, single chapel, one set of doors at back of building and one foyer enterance on each of the building.

The back doors have a sign to keep them locked on Sunday, such that one can only enter through the foyer doors.

Where is the primary room located in the building?  Perhaps there is some kind of family issue involving children they are trying to protect. 

[Hamba Tuhan]

Our chapel has two front doors (for each foyer) and two back doors. One set of front doors and both back doors are always locked for security reasons. We've had far too many experiences with people wandering in to shoot up heroin in a classroom or take a 'spit bath' in one of the toilets, etc. We've asked for greater police surveillance, but our proudly/defiantly 'progressive' government has radically slashed police numbers and recently just voted to decriminalise ice, heroin, cocaine, and LSD, so essentially we've been left on our own.

So yeah, only needing to monitor one entrance gives us some peace of mind.

[The Nehor]

4 hours ago, Chum said:

Sounds like the War On People With Anxiety might be back. During 2nd hour, are members being bullied into squeezing into as little room as possible?

If that were the case they would force everyone to use certain doors to the chapel.

2 hours ago, LoudmouthMormon said:

Stuff like that shows up for a reason.  I'm guessing the reason would have something to do with someone unrelated to Sunday worship entering in through those doors and was up to no good.  Like transients sneaking in and messing up a bathroom.  Or some angry ex-member sneaking in to set off a smoke bomb.  Or one of the youth arranging a clandestine meeting with a nonmember of the opposite sex when they can sneak out of YM/YW and make out in the dark unlocked baptismal changing area.  Basically, stuff involving sneaking.

Or maybe it's Chum's idea of church leadership waging war on vulnerable people and wanting to bully a congregation or something.  But I'd bet ten bucks whatever the reason, it ain't that.

We had to redirect members away from one of the foyers one day because a man came in with no pants or underwear on. We also shut down one entrance for several weeks because a potentially dangerous member was constantly trying to sneak in. Fortunately that stopped.

[Tacenda]

23 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

If that were the case they would force everyone to use certain doors to the chapel.

We had to redirect members away from one of the foyers one day because a man came in with no pants or underwear on. We also shut down one entrance for several weeks because a potentially dangerous member was constantly trying to sneak in. Fortunately that stopped.

No wonder I was terrified when helping different neighbor ladies lock up the chapel throughout the years, especially when turning out the lights after checking rooms!  It was a spooky feeling too.

[Hamba Tuhan]

3 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

No wonder I was terrified when helping different neighbor ladies lock up the chapel throughout the years, especially when turning out the lights after checking rooms!

We don't let women be in our chapels without adult males present. Their request.

[LoudmouthMormon]

43 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

We had to redirect members away from one of the foyers one day because a man came in with no pants or underwear on. 

If I ever lose my testimony and go anti, now I know what I'm supposed to do.  I'll throw in a bunch of snarky "the sign said visitors welcome, ya buncha nudiphobe liars!" as the cops haul me off.

Edited November 28, 2022 by LoudmouthMormon

[Tacenda]

17 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

We don't let women be in our chapels without adult males present. Their request.

The neighbor ladies husbands weren't able to help, maybe had something come up, not remembering.

[The Nehor]

3 minutes ago, LoudmouthMormon said:

If I ever lose my testimony and go anti, now I know what I'm supposed to do.  I'll throw in a bunch of snarky "the sign said visitors welcome, ya buncha nudiphobe liars!" as the cops haul me off.

It was kind of a sad story. The guy is a member and has dementia. He was also very ill at the time. I find it hard to feel too much sympathy because I knew him before the dementia and his version of the hymn would be more “Scatter heartache all along your way. Sneer and hurt and frighten every passing day.”

[The Nehor]

25 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

No wonder I was terrified when helping different neighbor ladies lock up the chapel throughout the years, especially when turning out the lights after checking rooms!  It was a spooky feeling too.

Neither of those two people were likely to hurt anyone directly. The other one might have but was more likely to just scare them. He showed up outside one members house naked doing the Nazi salute and talking about how God made him wrong. He has a bit of dementia too but was also very drunk during that incident. After that and a few other incidents he was “asked” him not to attend anymore and by that I mean he was told not to come and that if he did he would be escorted out and/or the police would be called.

[Hamba Tuhan]

21 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

The neighbor ladies husbands weren't able to help, maybe had something come up, not remembering.

Most women in the Church don't have husbands anyway. There are plenty of ways of making sure that they feel safe at church regardless.

[provoman]

Was told it was done because of a  security concern from another ward. Not sure the concern.

[The Nehor]

13 minutes ago, provoman said:

Was told it was done because of a  security concern from another ward. Not sure the concern.

I would believe it.

[LoudmouthMormon]

On 11/27/2022 at 5:49 PM, Hamba Tuhan said:

Most women in the Church don't have husbands anyway. 

Really?  Fewer than 1 in two adult LDS females are married?  I'd love to see your source...

[Calm]

https://www.ldsliving.com/sister-stevens-recognizes-over-half-the-women-in-the-church-are-single-shares-one-thing-we-should-never-do-if-our-family-doesnt-meet-the-ideal/s/84962

“I don't know if you are aware that we've reached a point in the Church now where more than half of our women are single," Sister Stephens shared. "Women in Relief Society 18 years and older, just about 51 percent are single."

Edited November 29, 2022 by Calm

[LoudmouthMormon]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

https://www.ldsliving.com/sister-stevens-recognizes-over-half-the-women-in-the-church-are-single-shares-one-thing-we-should-never-do-if-our-family-doesnt-meet-the-ideal/s/84962

“I don't know if you are aware that we've reached a point in the Church now where more than half of our women are single," Sister Stephens shared. "Women in Relief Society 18 years and older, just about 51 percent are single."

Wow.  I really had no idea it was that bad.  ~15 years ago my Bishop asked me to give a 3rd hour RS/PH session talk, and I really didn't know why he picked me or that topic.  It was a talk on how the old 'get a husband to provide while you stay home' model just wasn't a thing any more and it's not coming back.  And how women needed to get all the education they could, and we're not just talking an Mrs. degree from BYU.  Just today with that link, I learned why I gave that talk.

 

On 11/27/2022 at 5:32 PM, The Nehor said:

After that and a few other incidents he was “asked” him not to attend anymore and by that I mean he was told not to come and that if he did he would be escorted out and/or the police would be called.

Mental illness, especially when coupled with character defects or just plain meanness, can really do a number on ones ability to be tolerated around otherwise tolerant and inclusive people.

Fun story: Once I was driving past my church during the week, and saw an old man lying in the grass like he had fallen.  I stopped to help, and spent the next 45 minutes learning about how paranoid schizophrenics act when they forget to take their medication.   After telling me he had been struck down with the spirit, he jumped up and began a rambling barely coherent narrative about everything he needed to communicate to the bishop and ward members.  Since it was cold and I had keys to the church, I let him in and we went to the clerk's office so he could write his vision/manifesto down while the 'spirit was still upon' him.   It was a slightly less disjointed screed about how end times stuff from the book Revelation was soon to come to pass, and he had been chosen to educate everyone.  He knew the time was near because his wife had opened the 7th seal by committing adultery three times, with (I kid you not) Colonial Sanders, Elvis, and a third person to yet be named.

While he was writing, I called the bishop and asked if he knew this person.  I could hear his eyes roll over the phone.  "Yes, he gets that way when he doesn't take his medication - we've talked about this several times.  I'll call his wife to come pick him up.  He's harmless."  When I told the guy his wife was coming, he took his manifesto "to complete it with further revelation", and took off.  Honestly, he was much more calm and making more sense, after having a willing listener for 45 minutes.

Such folk are probably the reason for quite a few interesting laminated signs in all sorts of buildings. And some trespass warnings too.   

Edited November 29, 2022 by LoudmouthMormon

[Hamba Tuhan]

1 hour ago, LoudmouthMormon said:

Really?  Fewer than 1 in two adult LDS females are married?  I'd love to see your source...

This has been the reality for many of us outside America for many decades.

Elder Gerrit W. Gong, 'Room in the Inn', General Conference, April 2021:

Quote

The majority of adult Church members are now unmarried, widowed, or divorced. This is a significant change. It includes more than half our Relief Society sisters and more than half our adult priesthood brothers. This demographic pattern has been the case in the worldwide Church since 1992 and in the Church in the United States and Canada since 2019.

 

[Tacenda]

1 hour ago, LoudmouthMormon said:

Wow.  I really had no idea it was that bad.  ~15 years ago my Bishop asked me to give a 3rd hour RS/PH session talk, and I really didn't know why he picked me or that topic.  It was a talk on how the old 'get a husband to provide while you stay home' model just wasn't a thing any more and it's not coming back.  And how women needed to get all the education they could, and we're not just talking an Mrs. degree from BYU.  Just today with that link, I learned why I gave that talk.

 

Mental illness, especially when coupled with character defects or just plain meanness, can really do a number on ones ability to be tolerated around otherwise tolerant and inclusive people.

Fun story: Once I was driving past my church during the week, and saw an old man lying in the grass like he had fallen.  I stopped to help, and spent the next 45 minutes learning about how paranoid schizophrenics act when they forget to take their medication.   After telling me he had been struck down with the spirit, he jumped up and began a rambling barely coherent narrative about everything he needed to communicate to the bishop and ward members.  Since it was cold and I had keys to the church, I let him in and we went to the clerk's office so he could write his vision/manifesto down while the 'spirit was still upon' him.   It was a slightly less disjointed screed about how end times stuff from the book Revelation was soon to come to pass, and he had been chosen to educate everyone.  He knew the time was near because his wife had opened the 7th seal by committing adultery three times, with (I kid you not) Colonial Sanders, Elvis, and a third person to yet be named.

While he was writing, I called the bishop and asked if he knew this person.  I could hear his eyes roll over the phone.  "Yes, he gets that way when he doesn't take his medication - we've talked about this several times.  I'll call his wife to come pick him up.  He's harmless."  When I told the guy his wife was coming, he took his manifesto "to complete it with further revelation", and took off.  Honestly, he was much more calm and making more sense, after having a willing listener for 45 minutes.

Such folk are probably the reason for quite a few interesting laminated signs in all sorts of buildings. And some trespass warnings too.   

You are the best!!

[mfbukowski]

Everyone just carry a gun.!

Instant relief for "the spookies".

I used to have to close down the building at least once a week and carried a very large....

 

Flashlight 

 

[gav]

On 11/28/2022 at 1:39 AM, The Nehor said:

We had to redirect members away from one of the foyers one day because a man came in with no pants or underwear on. We also shut down one entrance for several weeks because a potentially dangerous member was constantly trying to sneak in. Fortunately that stopped.

Wow, and I thought Africa was supposed to be the tough place! but in second thoughts I realise our security starts with a 6 foot iron palisade fence surrounding the property and gate that you need to know the code to get in. So I guess that's why our buildings have less incidents. Nevermind...

[LoudmouthMormon]

8 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

Everyone just carry a gun.!

Instant relief for "the spookies".

I used to have to close down the building at least once a week and carried a very large....

Flashlight 

Oof.  I'm a big fan of personal self defense, and I'm happy to live in a ward where probably 15-30% of us have our permits.  That said, anyone who wants to rely on a gun to bring instant relief, may be in for an unwanted lifelong burden or three if they ever need to obtain said relief.

[The Nehor]

On 11/30/2022 at 4:27 AM, gav said:

Wow, and I thought Africa was supposed to be the tough place! but in second thoughts I realise our security starts with a 6 foot iron palisade fence surrounding the property and gate that you need to know the code to get in. So I guess that's why our buildings have less incidents. Nevermind...

Some of my local leadership are trying to push active shooter training…..again. I am beginning to think they just like giving these trainings. The building is more likely to catch on fire but do we really think telling people to throw hymnbooks at an active shooter is going to save everyone?