BYU bans fan for racial slur

[Durangout]

My BS meter went off as soon as the story broke.  The information that came out today confirmed my suspicions.  This is a Jesse Smollet (sp?) 2.0.

WAY too many questions from the beginning  to the story to think otherwise:

The story was broken by her Gmother who was running for political office—convenient.

The changes to the details of the story over the first few days.

The overt lying about the “threats” that the “racist” made.

She could could clearly hear and pick out one voice in a crowd of 5000–riiiiiight.

As soft and woke as the BYU student body is at this point no one said anything to the guy or officials or security, no one, really?No student has come out and verified that they heard it?—Not a chance.

No one videoed him w their cell phone?—Come on we have instant video from cell phones of events on the other side of the planet now.

The “victim’s” social media was littered with her America is a racist country garbage—just a coincidence that a racist from UT would pick on her, u huh sure?l.

The whole guilty until proven innocent routine from the get go was enough to make any sane person take pause.

Now we find out that video proved the poor guy, the real victim, was innocent; the details were embellished; their coaches hear something entirely different…

Yes, racism had a major role to play in this story—by the female player.  She is the one that should be banned from attending BYU sporting events.

 

 

 

[Calm]

7 hours ago, gopher said:

There's some speculation that the fan or fans may have been yelling "netter" during the volleyball serve in an attempt to cause the opposing player to hit the ball into the net.  I guess that could sound like the n-word in a crowded setting.  Plus people in Utah talk funny so it could be easily mistaken by someone from the East Coast (I'm a few hours from Duke, but I can speak Utahn somewhat fluently)

That could easily be mistaken if you were keyed to the one word, not so much the other.

[bsjkki]

More details from the police reports. (Grateful BYU police are subjected to grama laws) The banned person is now easily identified. I hope the mob doesn’t come after this alleged autistic young man. https://www.deseret.com/2022/8/31/23330206/byu-duke-volleyball

[blackstrap]

Perhaps university  and public officials should be drafting an apology to the " fan " that they were so quick to slam , just in case. 

[rodheadlee]

Cnn is still riding the train. These people are so ready to be righteously offended  they don't care what the truth is. 

[bsjkki]

9 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

Cnn is still riding the train. These people are so ready to be righteously offended  they don't care what the truth is. 

That’s been the case for years. 

[Jerry Atric]

6 hours ago, rodheadlee said:

Cnn is still riding the train. These people are so ready to be righteously offended  they don't care what the truth is. 

https://www.byucougarchronicle.org/post/exclusive-racist-comments-at-byu-volleyball-game-never-happened-sources-suggest

 

Check out what the godmother of the volleyball player thinks about people of a certain race. Kinda puts everything in perspective. 

[Calm]

Your source:

Quote

The Cougar Chronicle and its affiliates, BYU Conservatives and Red Pill Blue Blood, were created to represent classical liberals to conservative leaning students on campus. Brigham Young University has become radically progressive at an alarming rate. This includes articles written in the school newspaper, the Daily Universe. We  want to give a voice to students who feel as though their views are being silenced in the classroom. We also want to provide a voice of reason in a time where political divisiveness has taken hold. 

 

[Calm]

Richardson should not be held responsible for what her godmother does. She is not her godmother. Richardson is intelligent and I find it highly unlikely she would choose to perpetuate a hoax in an arena where it most likely could be easily disproven given how often everything is recorded. Instead it makes much more sense that the combination of the unusual size of the crowd and the yelling led to a misheard word (if one assumes the slur was not spoken at all) and nervousness after that continued her hyper vigilance.

Edited September 1, 2022 by Calm

[Jerry Atric]

Just now, Calm said:

Richardson should not be held responsible for what her godmother does. She is not her godmother. Richardson is intelligent and I find it highly unlikely she would choose to perpetuate a hoax in an arena where it most likely could be easily disproven given how often everything is recorded. Instead it makes much more sense that the combination of the unusual size of the crowd and the yelling led to a misheard word (if one assumes the slur was not spoken at all) and nervousness after that continued her hyper vigilance.

Is there a problem with my source? Is it not progressive enough? It's starting to look like they banned a man from attending anything BYU because they were scared to be called racist. 

What about the Godmother and here views toward white people? This is the lady that is pushing this story. Should her character not be taken in to account? 

[Jerry Atric]

6 minutes ago, Calm said:

Richardson should not be held responsible for what her godmother does. She is not her godmother. Richardson is intelligent and I find it highly unlikely she would choose to perpetuate a hoax in an arena where it most likely could be easily disproven given how often everything is recorded. Instead it makes much more sense that the combination of the unusual size of the crowd and the yelling led to a misheard word (if one assumes the slur was not spoken at all) and nervousness after that continued her hyper vigilance.

We will probably never actually know the truth because there's no need to investigate anymore. The damage has been done. On to the next negative story. 

[bsjkki]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

Richardson should not be held responsible for what her godmother does. She is not her godmother. Richardson is intelligent and I find it highly unlikely she would choose to perpetuate a hoax in an arena where it most likely could be easily disproven given how often everything is recorded. Instead it makes much more sense that the combination of the unusual size of the crowd and the yelling led to a misheard word (if one assumes the slur was not spoken at all) and nervousness after that continued her hyper vigilance.

The only relevance of the Godmother is because her tweet is what brought the massive attention to this story. 
 

I think what happened is something like this that happened in Colorado. 
 

A thread. A fan was shouting ‘Dinger’ which is the name of the mascot but was misheard.

https://twitter.com/SteveStaeger/status/1424751806400323586?s=20&t=D1YZLEoPG6EPLoq6f7W8jw

 

[Chum]

The "How come they get to use the NWord" thing has been brought up for a long time. It's what happens when we get focused on rules instead of empathy. I'm going to skip past the latent hostility that keeps that Q alive and instead answer with with how we got here - seminar style. Buckle in.

On one hand we have a culture that enslaved and systemically tortured the Africans they brought here and their descendants. Eventually, some boundaries went up and that culture adjusted - they found other novel and sometimes more subtle ways to deploy that harm.

On another hand are the people on the receiving end of that mistreatment, thru no fault of their own. Over time they created their own culture of sustaining and supporting each other, so they could better endure.

The first group had a long litany to reference the mistreatment they dished out. The NWord became a late frontrunner in that. The second group sometimes came to use the NWord as a loose reference - a reference to their reality and a reminder of the sustaining support they created.

Those cultures are about as different as is possible. For group 1 to claim they can use the NWord without consequences, because those cultures happen to overlap by 6 letters - that's fairly absurd.

Edited September 1, 2022 by Chum

[rodheadlee]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

Richardson should not be held responsible for what her godmother does. She is not her godmother. Richardson is intelligent and I find it highly unlikely she would choose to perpetuate a hoax in an arena where it most likely could be easily disproven given how often everything is recorded. Instead it makes much more sense that the combination of the unusual size of the crowd and the yelling led to a misheard word (if one assumes the slur was not spoken at all) and nervousness after that continued her hyper vigilance.

Then why did she appear on ESPN viewing her remarks to the sports world? And no I didn't watch it perhaps someone else can report on her actual words. ESPN went woke a long time ago. I only use them to check baseball scores. Do you think she'll go on there and retract her remarks when they find out the truth? My point is they didn't wait for the facts to come out they went on Attack Mode.

Edited September 1, 2022 by rodheadlee

[gopher]

1 hour ago, bsjkki said:

A thread. A fan was shouting ‘Dinger’ which is the name of the mascot but was misheard.

https://twitter.com/SteveStaeger/status/1424751806400323586?s=20&t=D1YZLEoPG6EPLoq6f7W8jw

 

Now we know what the accused BYU fan said during the Duke player's serve.  He shouted "Don't hit the ball into the net".  The police report also raises some serious problems with the Duke player's accusations that bring her credibility into question.  It'll be interesting to see how quickly this story goes away now that all the evidence shows that it's not true.

[Durangout]

 

[MiserereNobis]

2 hours ago, Chum said:

The "How come they get to use the NWord" thing has been brought up for a long time. It's what happens when we get focused on rules instead of empathy. I'm going to skip past the latent hostility that keeps that Q alive and instead answer with with how we got here - seminar style. Buckle in.

On one hand we have a culture that enslaved and systemically tortured the Africans they brought here and their descendants. Eventually, some boundaries went up and that culture adjusted - they found other novel and sometimes more subtle ways to deploy that harm.

On another hand are the people on the receiving end of that mistreatment, thru no fault of their own. Over time they created their own culture of sustaining and supporting each other, so they could better endure.

The first group had a long litany to reference the mistreatment they dished out. The NWord became a late frontrunner in that. The second group sometimes came to use the NWord as a loose reference - a reference to their reality and a reminder of the sustaining support they created.

Those cultures are about as different as is possible. For group 1 to claim they can use the NWord without consequences, because those cultures happen to overlap by 6 letters - that's fairly absurd.

Here's a great essay by Gloria Naylor, a black author, about the use of the N word among her family. She lays out the different definitions and usages and contrasts that with the racist use:

The Meanings of a Word

[Jerry Atric]

2 hours ago, Durangout said:

 

Thanks for posting this video. She's actually saying she heard the N Word "very distinctly" and " extremely clear" at least 3 times if not more. She's also saying that when they switched sides, the BYU students were "calling out" and "pointing at" the black athletes on the team. Apparently out of the 5000 people in the stadium, including her teammates, she's the only one that heard multiple N words and saw or heard BYU students taunting the other black athletes on the Duke team. Has anyone including her teammates corroborated her story? Or is it only her godmother, the godmother that apparently isn't a racist even though her tweets possibly prove she is.

[Duncan]

On 8/31/2022 at 5:33 PM, Durangout said:

My BS meter went off as soon as the story broke.  The information that came out today confirmed my suspicions.  This is a Jesse Smollet (sp?) 2.0.

WAY too many questions from the beginning  to the story to think otherwise:

The story was broken by her Gmother who was running for political office—convenient.

The changes to the details of the story over the first few days.

The overt lying about the “threats” that the “racist” made.

She could could clearly hear and pick out one voice in a crowd of 5000–riiiiiight.

As soft and woke as the BYU student body is at this point no one said anything to the guy or officials or security, no one, really?No student has come out and verified that they heard it?—Not a chance.

No one videoed him w their cell phone?—Come on we have instant video from cell phones of events on the other side of the planet now.

The “victim’s” social media was littered with her America is a racist country garbage—just a coincidence that a racist from UT would pick on her, u huh sure?l.

The whole guilty until proven innocent routine from the get go was enough to make any sane person take pause.

Now we find out that video proved the poor guy, the real victim, was innocent; the details were embellished; their coaches hear something entirely different…

Yes, racism had a major role to play in this story—by the female player.  She is the one that should be banned from attending BYU sporting events.

 

 

 

This makes no sense- you say " no one videoed" him with their cellphone, but why would they before something happens? how would they know to do it? then you say  that there is a video that "proved the poor guy, the real victim" so now there is a video? is there or isn't there. and no I am not going to watch your yankee propaganda video

[JustAnAustralian]

36 minutes ago, Duncan said:

and no I am not going to watch your yankee propaganda video

How about a recording of the game? https://www.byutv.org/player/b5d02b2d-e30b-4aa2-a779-5c8e9c008bd8/byu-volleyball-w-duke-vs-byu-82622

[bsjkki]

I think he struck a good tone here. Defended against some inaccurate statements in a decent way. 
 

https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2022/9/1/23333715/tom-holmoe-responds-to-byu-duke-volleyball-incident

[gopher]

8 hours ago, Duncan said:

This makes no sense- you say " no one videoed" him with their cellphone, but why would they before something happens? how would they know to do it? then you say  that there is a video that "proved the poor guy, the real victim" so now there is a video? is there or isn't there. and no I am not going to watch your yankee propaganda video

woah, careful!  that's an extremely offensive slur in the southern state where I live

[teddyaware]

9 hours ago, Duncan said:

This makes no sense- you say " no one videoed" him with their cellphone, but why would they before something happens? how would they know to do it? then you say  that there is a video that "proved the poor guy, the real victim" so now there is a video? is there or isn't there. and no I am not going to watch your yankee propaganda video

It’s painfully obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about on this issue because you’re unwilling to inform yourself by listening to the other side of the story, with much of that other perspective on this controversy being based purely on empirical observation. If you were willing to give a hearing to the other side of the story, you’d easily be able to answer your own questions and your needless perplexity would come to an end. 

[gopher]

6 hours ago, bsjkki said:

I think he struck a good tone here. Defended against some inaccurate statements in a decent way. 
 

https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2022/9/1/23333715/tom-holmoe-responds-to-byu-duke-volleyball-incident

He's only missing the heartfelt apology to the wrongly accused fan.  But he does refute Duke's claim that nothing was done by BYU after the player reported the incident after the second set.  It also hurts the Duke player's claim that during the fourth set the fan continued yelling racial slurs.  You can see the police officer standing next to the fan (easy to spot, wearing a yellow shirt) while the player is serving.  The officer reported nothing negative was said by the fan.  Yet the Duke player singled out the same fan as the guilty one.  I don't think she was aware that BYU had sent the police officer, 4 ushers, and a Duke representative into the crowd with the purpose of identifying the source of the racist slurs.  Maybe she thought she heard something during the second set (not by the accused fan since he wasn't there at the time), but it seems she doubled down with her accusations during the fourth set, not realizing they could easily be proven false.  The claim that only the black players on the bench were singled out by the crowd was also shown to be false.

It also calls into question her claim after the game that the fan told the player to "watch her back".   The fan was described by the officer who interviewed him as mentally challenged, socially awkward, and spoke with a stutter.  I haven't seen anyone else claim to have heard him issue that threat, so again, she is the sole witness.

But it looks like the story has already gone away once the new details came out about the accused fan.

[Duncan]

34 minutes ago, teddyaware said:

It’s painfully obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about on this issue because you’re unwilling to inform yourself by listening to the other side of the story, with much of that other perspective on this controversy being based purely on empirical observation. If you were willing to give a hearing to the other side of the story, you’d easily be able to answer your own questions and your needless perplexity would come to an end. 

this is ridiculous and thanks for wasting my time responding to your nonsense again.