Popular Post gav Posted October 4, 2020 Popular Post Posted October 4, 2020 Based on the tone of the first two sessions of conference I don't see November's election and the events that follow being very smooth in the USA. I don't live there so "I don't have dog in this fight" but we have had a talk in both sessions so far on temporal and spiritual preparedness. Others on unity, leaving behind competitive cultural aspects and some very strong words around getting out and staying out of the current political instabilities and turmoil. Others on adversity and testing. I don't remember the twelve getting too involved in the political vagaries of the day in the past, so this focus on current affairs by many of the twelve seems portentous. These seem to be more direct focus than usual on these types of themes or perhaps my confirmation bias is just a little hyper sensitive in these areas lately 5
CV75 Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 1 hour ago, gav said: Based on the tone of the first two sessions of conference I don't see November's election and the events that follow being very smooth in the USA. I don't live there so "I don't have dog in this fight" but we have had a talk in both sessions so far on temporal and spiritual preparedness. Others on unity, leaving behind competitive cultural aspects and some very strong words around getting out and staying out of the current political instabilities and turmoil. Others on adversity and testing. I don't remember the twelve getting too involved in the political vagaries of the day in the past, so this focus on current affairs by many of the twelve seems portentous. These seem to be more direct focus than usual on these types of themes or perhaps my confirmation bias is just a little hyper sensitive in these areas lately Also in at least the first opening prayer. As watchmen, it is incumbent upon our Church leaders to address the issues of the day to promote, in a very real and practical way, individual salvation and the collective progress of Zion. They won't tell us how to vote, but how to choose to behave in good faith and charity. They use examples such as humanitarian aid efforts and personal experience to illustrate. 1
bluebell Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 Maybe. But you can also explain everything that's been said just going off of the last few months of protests and discord in the U.S. And the likely discord that will continue from the side that loses, whoever is elected. It doesn't have to mean things are going to get worse, it could easily be explained by the bad we are dealing with right now. 2
Popular Post smac97 Posted October 4, 2020 Popular Post Posted October 4, 2020 3 hours ago, gav said: Based on the tone of the first two sessions of conference I don't see November's election and the events that follow being very smooth in the USA. I don't live there so "I don't have dog in this fight" but we have had a talk in both sessions so far on temporal and spiritual preparedness. Others on unity, leaving behind competitive cultural aspects and some very strong words around getting out and staying out of the current political instabilities and turmoil. Others on adversity and testing. I don't remember the twelve getting too involved in the political vagaries of the day in the past, so this focus on current affairs by many of the twelve seems portentous. These seem to be more direct focus than usual on these types of themes or perhaps my confirmation bias is just a little hyper sensitive in these areas lately I think the recommendations about provident living / emergency preparedness were circumspect. There was also a specific exhortation to be prudent and gradual in our efforts (that is, don't go out and panic buy). I've been working on emergency preparedness for several years now. It's a good feeling to be more prepared in these ways than I was a few years ago. Thanks, -Smac 7
CV75 Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 59 minutes ago, bluebell said: Maybe. But you can also explain everything that's been said just going off of the last few months of protests and discord in the U.S. And the likely discord that will continue from the side that loses, whoever is elected. It doesn't have to mean things are going to get worse, it could easily be explained by the bad we are dealing with right now. Yes, the US was directly mentioned (election year, violent demonstration, Constitution), though these were typically accompanied with side-mention of general parallels we see across the globe. Edited October 4, 2020 by CV75 2
Popular Post rodheadlee Posted October 4, 2020 Popular Post Posted October 4, 2020 I pray we have a fair election. with no cheating. I can accept a loss under these circumstances. 5
Popular Post MustardSeed Posted October 4, 2020 Popular Post Posted October 4, 2020 I don’t ever see conference as a crystal ball or our leaders as fortune tellers. We just need to keep doing what we’ve always been taught. Anyone who thinks 2020 will magically disappear in January is in my opinion delightfully optimistic. 5
Rain Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 57 minutes ago, MustardSeed said: I don’t ever see conference as a crystal ball or our leaders as fortune tellers. We just need to keep doing what we’ve always been taught. Anyone who thinks 2020 will magically disappear in January is in my opinion delightfully optimistic. and hasn't seen what has gone on in the world for years. 1
rpn Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 I just see it as a recognition that revelation anticipates disorder and wickedness until the end. I don't see it as any more than that. 1
The Nehor Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 1 hour ago, MustardSeed said: I don’t ever see conference as a crystal ball or our leaders as fortune tellers. We just need to keep doing what we’ve always been taught. Anyone who thinks 2020 will magically disappear in January is in my opinion delightfully optimistic. And you should see what 2021 has in store. It has got tragedies and insanity that will make 2020 seem like a gentle picnic.
Calm Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 6 hours ago, gav said: I don't remember the twelve getting too involved in the political vagaries of the day in the past It could be the pandemic driving the comments more than the politics, it isn't only in the US that they were/are having political conflict over lockdowns and refusals to wear masks and conflict coming from there. not to get political, just to provide a reference... https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/thousands-protest-new-nz-virus-lockdown-measures.html
Calm Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 20 minutes ago, The Nehor said: And you should see what 2021 has in store. It has got tragedies and insanity that will make 2020 seem like a gentle picnic. Bite your tongue...hard! Not even for a joke please. 1
Calm Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, smac97 said: I've been working on emergency preparedness for several years now. It's a good feeling to be more prepared in these ways than I was a few years ago. When the panic buying in the stores happened, it was so nice to know outside salad, there was nothing we couldn't go to our storage to replace for at least several weeks and I figured by then the panic would be pretty subsided. It was, but we were also able to get everything we were using up as well. Just a few complications for us like when lines were long or credit card machines went down. Edited October 4, 2020 by Calm 1
Calm Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 4 hours ago, bluebell said: But you can also explain everything that's been said just going off of the last few months of protests and discord in the U.S. Lots of protests worldwide, both triggered by the racial conflict in the US at the time as well as other political conflict. 1
bluebell Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 37 minutes ago, Calm said: When the panic buying in the stores happened, it was so nice to know outside salad, there was nothing we couldn't go to our storage to replace for at least several weeks and I figured by then the panic would be pretty subsided. It was, but we were also able to get everything we were using up as well. Just a few complications for us like when lines were long or credit card machines went down. My friend felt like that until the earthquake, and then she realized she would lose hundred of dollars in frozen meat if they lost power for any significant length of time. So one new credit card bill later, they now have a fancy and expensive generator wired into their home that kicks on when the electricity kicks off. 1
strappinglad Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, bluebell said: My friend felt like that until the earthquake, and then she realized she would lose hundred of dollars in frozen meat if they lost power for any significant length of time. So one new credit card bill later, they now have a fancy and expensive generator wired into their home that kicks on when the electricity kicks off. Pity the poor grocery store owner without back-up when the power goes down for a day . Frozen food for sale cheap ! 1
The Nehor Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Calm said: Bite your tongue...hard! Not even for a joke please. I am trying to make sure all my surprises next year will be pleasant. Anyone who says things cannot get worse just lacks imagination.
smac97 Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 56 minutes ago, bluebell said: My friend felt like that until the earthquake, and then she realized she would lose hundred of dollars in frozen meat if they lost power for any significant length of time. So one new credit card bill later, they now have a fancy and expensive generator wired into their home that kicks on when the electricity kicks off. That works. Until they run out of gas for the generator... Canned meat can work, but it's pricey. Freeze dried meat is best, but also pricey. Beans and rice? 2
bluebell Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, smac97 said: That works. Until they run out of gas for the generator... Canned meat can work, but it's pricey. Freeze dried meat is best, but also pricey. Beans and rice? It's probably good for all of us to remember that ultimately, there is no preparation (or amount of money) that we can undertake that will cover every scenario of possible disasters. It's in God's hands. 3
Calm Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 59 minutes ago, smac97 said: That works. Until they run out of gas for the generator... Canned meat can work, but it's pricey. Freeze dried meat is best, but also pricey. Beans and rice? Dried eggs?
Bernard Gui Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, bluebell said: My friend felt like that until the earthquake, and then she realized she would lose hundred of dollars in frozen meat if they lost power for any significant length of time. So one new credit card bill later, they now have a fancy and expensive generator wired into their home that kicks on when the electricity kicks off. We need back up for the back up.... 🤙 Edited October 4, 2020 by Bernard Gui 1
Rain Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, smac97 said: That works. Until they run out of gas for the generator... Canned meat can work, but it's pricey. Freeze dried meat is best, but also pricey. Beans and rice? Canning chicken breasts is really easy if you have a pressure cooker. I understand other meats are about the same. While in Utah I would get about 40-50 pounds of it and can it when it was cheap. Of course the problem there is bottles breaking in an earthquake. Edited October 4, 2020 by Rain 1
Bernard Gui Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: I am trying to make sure all my surprises next year will be pleasant. Anyone who says things cannot get worse just lacks imagination. I don’t want to be that last guy of whom it is said, “Well, it can’t get worse.” Or even the guy just before that one. Edited October 4, 2020 by Bernard Gui
Bernard Gui Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Rain said: Canning chicken breasts is really easy if you have a pressure cooker. I understand other meats are about the same. While in Utah I would get about 40-50 pounds of it and can it when it was cheap. Of course the problem there is bottles breaking in an earthquake. Store them on the floor. Edited October 4, 2020 by Bernard Gui
Bernard Gui Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, smac97 said: That works. Until they run out of gas for the generator... Canned meat can work, but it's pricey. Freeze dried meat is best, but also pricey. Beans and rice? Worked for two years in Central America. Pemmican works. I was surprised by the number of talks about preparedness. Haven’t heard that for a while. Edited October 4, 2020 by Bernard Gui 1
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