Is it Just Me and My Confirmation Bias....

[Calm]

6 minutes ago, Rain said:

Canning chicken breasts is really easy if you have a pressure cooker.  I understand other meats are about the same. While in Utah I would get about 40-50 pounds of it and can it when it was cheap.

Of course the problem there is bottles breaking in an earthquake.

 

I just can’t get myself to feel comfortable with home canning. Think it was due to one of my grandmas.

[Calm]

10 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

Store them on the floor. 

The people who built our home had a massive food storage cellar under the porch (gets rather hot in summer as vented to outside so I don’t use it much for food) and they attached the shelves to the walls and then about two inches up, put a (1x1 iirc) barrier to keep things from falling off.  One could even just use thick cord woven in and out of supports.  
 

However, there are still collapsing walls, fire, tornados, and nuclear bombs.   

Edited October 4, 2020 by Calm

[Bernard Gui]

2 minutes ago, Calm said:

The people who built our home had a massive food storage cellar under the porch (gets rather hot as vented to outside so I don’t use it much) and they attached the shelves to the walls and then about two inches up, put a (1x1 iirc) barrier to keep things from falling off.  One could even just use thick cord woven in and out of supports.  
 

However, there is still collapsing walls, fire, tornados, and nuclear bombs.   

Yes. Put them in a big gun safe?

In the case of nukes, I hope they land in my back yard. 

Edited October 4, 2020 by Bernard Gui

[Bernard Gui]

13 minutes ago, Calm said:

I just can’t get myself to feel comfortable with home canning. Think it was due to one of my grandmas.

We used to can a lot especially when we had fruit trees, but then a Costco opened just a couple of miles away. 

Edited October 4, 2020 by Bernard Gui

[rodheadlee]

1 hour ago, smac97 said:

That works.  Until they run out of gas for the generator...

Canned meat can work, but it's pricey.  Freeze dried meat is best, but also pricey.

Beans and rice?

Solar panels and wind generators work well.

[Bernard Gui]

10 hours ago, gav said:

I don't remember the twelve getting too involved in the political vagaries of the day in the past, so this focus on current affairs by many of the twelve seems portentous.

Were you around in the 60s and 70s?

[Bernard Gui]

6 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

Solar panels and wind generators work well.

Not where we live. Pretty much useless. 

Edited October 4, 2020 by Bernard Gui

[rodheadlee]

49 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

Not where we live. Pretty much useless. 

Seattle area eh? Too bad. One good thing about living on a boat you just unplug and leave if you don't like it. It's tough to find live aboard slips though.

[Rain]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

I just can’t get myself to feel comfortable with home canning. Think it was due to one of my grandmas.

I was afraid for a long time to pressure can.  Water bath I've done since childhood (though I haven't done any since moving to AZ).  It took me a lot of thinking before I did pressure canning.  One help was new ways they are built to make them safer.

[Bernard Gui]

56 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

Seattle area eh? Too bad. One good thing about living on a boat you just unplug and leave if you don't like it. It's tough to find live aboard slips though.

I have a friend who lives on his boat in Gig Harbor, Washington. Beautiful town....and it has a Costco.

[Bernard Gui]

24 minutes ago, Rain said:

I was afraid for a long time to pressure can.  Water bath I've done since childhood (though I haven't done any since moving to AZ).  It took me a lot of thinking before I did pressure canning.  One help was new ways they are built to make them safer.

Instant Pot type cookers have a canning feature. 

[JAHS]

8 hours ago, smac97 said:

I think the recommendations about provident living / emergency preparedness were circumspect.  There was also a specific exhortation to be prudent and gradual in our efforts (that is, don't go out and panic buy).

I've been working on emergency preparedness for several years now.  It's a good feeling to be more prepared in these ways than I was a few years ago.

Thanks,

-Smac

I remember back in the 70s how we were told to buy bags of wheat, which of course we never used, and this is what happened to it.

[Rain]

1 hour ago, Bernard Gui said:

Instant Pot type cookers have a canning feature. 

Yes. I haven't used mine for that because I have a pressure canner, but also because you can't can very many jars in the instant pot.  Love it for yogurt, hot cereal, freezer meals etc though.

[Bernard Gui]

1 hour ago, JAHS said:

I remember back in the 70s how we were told to buy bags of wheat, which of course we never used, and this is what happened to it.

We just gave away our wheat. It's still good.

Nevertheless, being prepared is not a bad thing, even if you don't use it. Kind of like earthquake insurance around here.

Now that there are only two of us at home, we have replaced the wheat with other long-term storage buckets. Costco, Winco, Walmart and other stores have home storage items now.

Edited October 5, 2020 by Bernard Gui

[Tacenda]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

I just can’t get myself to feel comfortable with home canning. Think it was due to one of my grandmas.

I wish I had appreciated my canned peaches when we had peach trees. I recently finished off my last jar, no peach trees anymore. 

My dad use to can trout fish, he loved to fish. 

I only enjoyed canning in a canning pot, never dared do the pressure cooking kind. Heard of too many stories of them exploding.

[Calm]

31 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I wish I had appreciated my canned peaches when we had peach trees. I recently finished off my last jar, no peach trees anymore. 

My dad use to can trout fish, he loved to fish. 

I only enjoyed canning in a canning pot, never dared do the pressure cooking kind. Heard of too many stories of them exploding.

It was mold and swollen jar tops that got to me. 

[Tacenda]

Just now, Calm said:

It was mold and swollen jar tops that got to me. 

Makes me remember a bad experience. I was newly wed and trying to fit in with a family that canned everything under the sun. My mom I think, just canned peaches. My MIL brought over an apple peeler thingy that you make applesauce with and if I'm remembering right she supplied the apples. I was a work in progress, but handled everything to the very end and then disaster hit. My husband had a terrible habit of putting a frying pan away without washing it, he would fry things in it and wipe it with a paper towel, he'd grown up with cast iron frying pans, but this was not one. So when I boiled the lids for the applesauce, it was full of grease particles that I was not aware of, more than likely. I'm thinking this is what caused my disaster. After finishing and waiting for the "pop" sound, it turns out that none of the jars sealed. I'm blaming the hubby!  Haha!! 

[Bernard Gui]

We used to have ongoing organized food storage programs in our stakes and wards with specialists, plans, etc. Do you think that will be revived or do we continue on our own now?

Edited October 5, 2020 by Bernard Gui

[Rain]

10 hours ago, Bernard Gui said:

We used to have ongoing organized food storage programs in our stakes and wards with specialists, plans, etc. Do you think that will be revived or do we continue on our own now?

As a once provident living specialist I think it is wiser to teach a few principles and then let others do it individually.

The first principle the church teaches is to store 3 months of the foods you would normally eat.  Everyone eats so varied that it would be hard to get a program for that.  

The easiest way to do it is to buy a little extra each time you shop.  (I had a companion whose parents didn't think they had enough money for storage. When she was little she would sneak one extra can or box in the cart each shopping trip.  Then she hid it under her bed. When her dad lost his job she showed them their storage. )

Realistically, this is as far as most members will get. And much farther than many.

Then the second step is to get the year supply of long term storage.  We find when we used only our storage about 10 years ago for a month that this is a good starting place,  but still can be quite individual.  For example, if I were starting again I would get less wheat and more rolled oats, oat groats and other grains.

Edited October 5, 2020 by Rain

[sunstoned]

7 hours ago, smac97 said:

That works.  Until they run out of gas for the generator...

Canned meat can work, but it's pricey.  Freeze dried meat is best, but also pricey.

Beans and rice?

We bottle our own meet.  Once bottled, it will last quite a while.

 

[Calm]

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When she was little she would sneak one extra can or box in the cart each shopping trip.  Then she it it under her bed. When her dad lost his job she showed them their storage

I love it?  How old was she?

[Rain]

50 minutes ago, Calm said:

I love it?  How old was she?

She never told me.  Old enough to have understood the counsel from leaders, but young enough that mom was taking her to the store each week.  In my mind I put her at 8 or 9, but who knows. 

[gav]

14 hours ago, bluebell said:

It's probably good for all of us to remember that ultimately, there is no preparation (or amount of money) that we can undertake that will cover every scenario of possible disasters.  It's in God's hands.

But for us if we listen there can be at least "bread in Egypt"

[gav]

12 hours ago, Bernard Gui said:

Were you around in the 60s and 70s?

yup it was a fad back then and since then there has been much more circumspection and restraint... Hence this is a little unusual for the form of the last few decades.

[gav]

10 hours ago, JAHS said:

I remember back in the 70s how we were told to buy bags of wheat, which of course we never used, and this is what happened to it.

I still have my parents wheat(a ton or so) and use it, its great