President Nelson Video

[The Nehor]

President Nelson just released a video about the church reopening. Promised they would proceed with an abundance of caution and in a step by step manner. He also acknowledged how vital the temple is. He also promised “wonderful days” ahead. A lot of people have told me it will get better but coming from a seer it means more.

 

[Robert F. Smith]

He seemed to be calling for an abundance of caution.  I agree.

[bluebell]

I liked the video, but wished it could have contained more information.  

[CV75]

2 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

He seemed to be calling for an abundance of caution.  I agree.

He actually said (from the transcript) how the Church will proceed: "We are grateful for the helpful direction that government, health, and civic leaders have provided to keep us safe. We will continue to be prayerful and proceed with an abundance of caution." I think he is acknowledging that government, health, and civic leaders in general are acting in good faith, and that the Church will proceed specifically in good faith ("Your safety and well-being will always be our utmost concern.").

[JAHS]

1 hour ago, bluebell said:

I liked the video, but wished it could have contained more information.  

I was expecting a little more to but I think we can blame that on the titles of the news articles introducing it.

[Scott Lloyd]

52 minutes ago, JAHS said:

I was expecting a little more to but I think we can blame that on the titles of the news articles introducing it.

Mine came directly via email. No need for any news article to introduce it. 

[Scott Lloyd]

He emphasized temple ordinances first — as though that is paramount, even above resumption of Sabbath day gatherings. 
 

That makes sense. We’ve learned to make do with Sabbath day routines. But beyond carrying forward family history research with vigor, there’s not much we can do in performance of temple ordinances with all of the temples closed. 

Edited May 7, 2020 by Scott Lloyd

[The Nehor]

3 hours ago, CV75 said:

He actually said (from the transcript) how the Church will proceed: "We are grateful for the helpful direction that government, health, and civic leaders have provided to keep us safe. We will continue to be prayerful and proceed with an abundance of caution." I think he is acknowledging that government, health, and civic leaders in general are acting in good faith, and that the Church will proceed specifically in good faith ("Your safety and well-being will always be our utmost concern.").

If you are cynical you can also read it as we are grateful for the helpful direction and that the prophet has the good taste not to mention any of the unhelpful direction.  

[Tacenda]

6 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

If you are cynical you can also read it as we are grateful for the helpful direction and that the prophet has the good taste not to mention any of the unhelpful direction.  

I worry about the temple services, that is a little too close for comfort. I'm thinking our lives will never be the same, but maybe not, and this will blow over, hopefully.

[The Nehor]

19 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I worry about the temple services, that is a little too close for comfort. I'm thinking our lives will never be the same, but maybe not, and this will blow over, hopefully.

I still think our lives may never be the same. A lot of the economic damage is done. If, as I suspect, this reopening is premature (there is no substantial dip in cases to suggest we are on the downslope) it will end up worse if we open up and then have to slam things shut again. The little trust people have left in their elected officials may be gone. People will feel betrayed. It may even be a cycle through the end of the year.

The jury is just still out on whether what lies on the other side will a better state, a worse state, or back to a status quo. I can still believe in “wonderful days” in any of those scenarios.

[Tacenda]

Just now, The Nehor said:

I still think our lives may never be the same. A lot of the economic damage is done. If, as I suspect, this reopening is premature (there is no substantial dip in cases to suggest we are on the downslope) it will end up worse if we open up and then have to slam things shut again. The little trust people have left in their elected officials may be gone. People will feel betrayed. It may even be a cycle through the end of the year.

The jury is just still out on whether what lies on the other side will a better state, a worse state, or back to a status quo. I can still believe in “wonderful days” in any of those scenarios.

It sounds like to me the economy is right up there in importance along with saving lives, if not more so. They are fully accepting the fact that many will die because of opening up. I'm torn between not wanting to open up and opening up to revive everything again, but many will sacrifice their lives to do so it appears. 

[The Nehor]

Just now, Tacenda said:

It sounds like to me the economy is right up there in importance along with saving lives, if not more so. They are fully accepting the fact that many will die because of opening up. I'm torn between not wanting to open up and opening up to revive everything again, but many will sacrifice their lives to do so it appears. 

If the economy is the new Molech that needs human corpses in the hundreds of thousands in our nation alone and probably millions in the whole world to thrive maybe we should stop worshipping it? A hobby I had a few decades back was reading about Cold War worst case scenarios, looking at old civil defense plans, and plans for rebuilding. Most acknowledged how bad it would be but said we could rebuild pretty quickly. Now we have a month and a half of limited work and our very way of life is on the verge of collapse. If our way of life is that fragile and that shoddily constructed I think back to that guy building his house on the sand.

[Calm]

55 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

our way of life is that fragile and that shoddily constructed I think back to that guy building his house on the sand.

This so many times.

Wouldn't it be nice if this was a wake up call?

But has that ever actually happened historically speaking outside of the Book of Mormon?  (I can see it happening with smaller countries, large ones with massive power bases...how do you clean up those?)  Serious question.

[OGHoosier]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

If the economy is the new Molech that needs human corpses in the hundreds of thousands in our nation alone and probably millions in the whole world to thrive maybe we should stop worshipping it? A hobby I had a few decades back was reading about Cold War worst case scenarios, looking at old civil defense plans, and plans for rebuilding. Most acknowledged how bad it would be but said we could rebuild pretty quickly. Now we have a month and a half of limited work and our very way of life is on the verge of collapse. If our way of life is that fragile and that shoddily constructed I think back to that guy building his house on the sand.

With the red banner up top I am hesitant to approach anything in the vicinity of politics, but this is insightful. On the one hand, I can empathize with the fear of many who have no paycheck coming in. It's understandable why they want the economy to reopen. At some point we'll have to, vaccine, flattened curve, or no. 

But it truly presents a regrettable commentary on our society, that our lines of supply and sustenance are so fragile and complicated that it collapses so fast. All this for cheaper luxury. Mammon does not seem to be a particularly considerate or intelligent god. 

[Tacenda]

Maybe Pres. Nelson remembers some of these times, and is reticent and not wanting to open up too quickly. Hope so. 

"Imagine you were born in 1900. On your 14th birthday, World War I starts, and ends on your 18th birthday. 22 million people perish in that war.

Later in the year, a Spanish Flu epidemic hits the planet and runs until your 20th birthday. 50 million people die from it in those two years. Yes, 50 million.

On your 29th birthday, the Great Depression begins. Unemployment hits 25%, the World GDP drops 27%. That runs until you are 33.

The country nearly collapses along with the world economy.

When you turn 39, World War II starts. You aren’t even over the hill yet. And don’t try to catch your breath. On your 41st birthday, the United States is fully pulled into WWII. Between your 39th and 45th birthday, 75 million people perish in the war.

At 50, the Korean War starts. 5 million perish.

At 55 the Vietnam War begins and doesn’t end for 20 years. 4 million people perish in that conflict.

On your 62nd birthday you have the Cuban Missile Crisis, a tipping point in the Cold War. Life on our planet, as we know it, should have ended. Great leaders prevented that from happening.

When you turn 75, the Vietnam War finally ends.

Think of everyone on the planet born in 1900. How do you survive all of that?

When you were a kid in 1985 and didn’t think your 85 year old grandparent understood how hard school was. And how mean that kid in your class was. Yet they survived through everything listed above.

Perspective is an amazing art, refined as time goes on, and enlightening like you wouldn’t believe. Let’s try and keep things in perspective."
——
American author unknown

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 7, 2020 by Tacenda

[Scott Lloyd]

11 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

He emphasized temple ordinances first — as though that is paramount, even above resumption of Sabbath day gatherings. 
 

That makes sense. We’ve learned to make do with Sabbath day routines. But beyond carrying forward family history research with vigor, there’s not much we can do in performance of temple ordinances with all of the temples closed. 

With today’s announced phased reopening of 17 temples, it would appear President Nelson was doing some oblique foreshadowing with his statement yesterday. (I was about to say some veiled foreshadowing, but I didn’t want it to appear I was going for an obvious wordplay.) 

[CV75]

10 hours ago, The Nehor said:

If you are cynical you can also read it as we are grateful for the helpful direction and that the prophet has the good taste not to mention any of the unhelpful direction.  

Oh, that would not be cynical (which is why I mentioned "in general")...

[let’s roll]

1 hour ago, Tacenda said:

Maybe Pres. Nelson remembers some of these times, and is reticent and not wanting to open up too quickly. Hope so. 

"Imagine you were born in 1900. On your 14th birthday, World War I starts, and ends on your 18th birthday. 22 million people perish in that war.

Later in the year, a Spanish Flu epidemic hits the planet and runs until your 20th birthday. 50 million people die from it in those two years. Yes, 50 million.

On your 29th birthday, the Great Depression begins. Unemployment hits 25%, the World GDP drops 27%. That runs until you are 33.

The country nearly collapses along with the world economy.

When you turn 39, World War II starts. You aren’t even over the hill yet. And don’t try to catch your breath. On your 41st birthday, the United States is fully pulled into WWII. Between your 39th and 45th birthday, 75 million people perish in the war.

At 50, the Korean War starts. 5 million perish.

At 55 the Vietnam War begins and doesn’t end for 20 years. 4 million people perish in that conflict.

On your 62nd birthday you have the Cuban Missile Crisis, a tipping point in the Cold War. Life on our planet, as we know it, should have ended. Great leaders prevented that from happening.

When you turn 75, the Vietnam War finally ends.

Think of everyone on the planet born in 1900. How do you survive all of that?

When you were a kid in 1985 and didn’t think your 85 year old grandparent understood how hard school was. And how mean that kid in your class was. Yet they survived through everything listed above.

Perspective is an amazing art, refined as time goes on, and enlightening like you wouldn’t believe. Let’s try and keep things in perspective."
——
American author unknown

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for this Tacenda.  Perspective is, indeed, an amazing art, and too often these days a lost one.  I will think of this each time I hear or read another news story claiming some aspect of our current peril is “unprecedented.”  

 

 

[Robert F. Smith]

13 hours ago, CV75 said:

He actually said (from the transcript) how the Church will proceed: "We are grateful for the helpful direction that government, health, and civic leaders have provided to keep us safe. We will continue to be prayerful and proceed with an abundance of caution." I think he is acknowledging that government, health, and civic leaders in general are acting in good faith, and that the Church will proceed specifically in good faith ("Your safety and well-being will always be our utmost concern.").

He did not say that gov't was acting in good faith.  Indeed, unlike the gov't the LDS leaders put our safety and well-being first.  The first concern of gov't is political and financial.

[Robert F. Smith]

1 hour ago, Tacenda said:

......................... Great leaders prevented that from happening.......................

No, they didn't.  The powerful leaders were filled with fear.  They blinked and shut down the defcon 4.  There's nothing at all "great" about them.

[Nacho2dope]

17 hours ago, The Nehor said:

President Nelson just released a video about the church reopening. Promised they would proceed with an abundance of caution and in a step by step manner. He also acknowledged how vital the temple is. He also promised “wonderful days” ahead. A lot of people have told me it will get better but coming from a seer it means more.

 

I agree, I love to hear his outlook for the future!

[Scott Lloyd]

10 hours ago, The Nehor said:

If the economy is the new Molech that needs human corpses in the hundreds of thousands in our nation alone and probably millions in the whole world to thrive maybe we should stop worshipping it? A hobby I had a few decades back was reading about Cold War worst case scenarios, looking at old civil defense plans, and plans for rebuilding. Most acknowledged how bad it would be but said we could rebuild pretty quickly. Now we have a month and a half of limited work and our very way of life is on the verge of collapse. If our way of life is that fragile and that shoddily constructed I think back to that guy building his house on the sand.

Do you still think most of us will get the virus? I think I recall you saying that earlier. 

[MustardSeed]

I for one am not planning to attend church inside a building with other people for some time, regardless if it opens up in the next two months or not. I imagine I will wait until I can be more convinced that doing so will not increase my risk of infection. 

I'm in no rush to get back.  Same with my business.  I can do it all from home. 

[Tacenda]

1 hour ago, Robert F. Smith said:

No, they didn't.  The powerful leaders were filled with fear.  They blinked and shut down the defcon 4.  There's nothing at all "great" about them.

I didn't say it,  was this from the c/p timeline of world disasters? I wouldn't know about most of it.

[CV75]

1 hour ago, Robert F. Smith said:

He did not say that gov't was acting in good faith.  Indeed, unlike the gov't the LDS leaders put our safety and well-being first.  The first concern of gov't is political and financial.

I think he was speaking in general about the governments of the world - that are acting in good faith and helpful --  as he would not be grateful for any acting in bad-faith and have not kept people safe as a result. His primary message is about what the Church is doing within the parameters she operates in, which are often impacted by political and financial conditions and constraints that fall under the purview of governments.