Sunslight Posted January 29, 2020 Author Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Ahab said: I believe anyone in spirit prison can accept the gospel, and those who accept it there who didn't accept it here simply because they never heard it properly taught before will be able to receive celestial glory. Those who were taught properly before they died but still didn't accept it can qualify for terrestrial glory if they accept it before they are sent to Hell, repenting as they are able and receiving the ordinances by proxy there. Telestial glory is for those who won't accept it here or there and will be sent to Hell to suffer for their sins because they would not repent either here or there, but who will acknowledge that Jesus was appointed to be their Savior while agreeing to follow lesser laws for people of telestial glory. You do understand spirit prison is not the same as Hell, don't you? Spirit prison is a general term for anyone who hasn't accepted the first principle and ordinances of the gospel, and its more like their mind/spirit is imprisoned rather than being in a small room behind bars. Spirit Prison and hell are the same thing. Edited January 29, 2020 by Sunslight
JLHPROF Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sunslight said: Spirit Prison and hell are the same thing. No, they're not. Where are you getting this stuff. D&C 76 specifies the Telestial Kingdom is what we colloquially call hell. The spirit prison is a place for those who never had the opportunity to choose or reject Christ.
stemelbow Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: No, they're not. Where are you getting this stuff. D&C 76 specifies the Telestial Kingdom is what we colloquially call hell. The spirit prison is a place for those who never had the opportunity to choose or reject Christ. Section 76 also says concerning those who receive Terrestrial glory: " Quote Behold, these are they who died awithout blaw;; 73 And also they who are the aspirits of men kept in bprison, whom the Son visited, and cpreached the dgospel unto them, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh; 74 Who areceived not the btestimony of Jesus in the flesh, but afterwards received it. But that's not true. Why are you relying on untrue revelation to say what someone can or can't accurately call hell?
Ahab Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Sunslight said: Spirit Prison and hell are the same thing. Close but not quite. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone just automatically saw and agreed with everything that is true? In my mind I see it like this: Spirit prison: a mind/spirit is imprisoned such that it is difficult for that person/mind/spirit to see beyond their own paradigm, preferring to think in terms of only their own paradigm rather than feeling free to seek out and actually find more truth with God's help Hell is a state of mental anguish, an actual form of suffering and a place (spiritually/mentally speaking) of suffering. People in spirit prison can experience Hell, and people who experience Hell can be in spirit prison, but both are distinct and not quite the same thing. Edited January 29, 2020 by Ahab
Tacenda Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 14 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: No, they're not. Where are you getting this stuff. D&C 76 specifies the Telestial Kingdom is what we colloquially call hell. The spirit prison is a place for those who never had the opportunity to choose or reject Christ. And where the missionaries go to teach. So definitely not hell, right?
longview Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 36 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: 39 minutes ago, Sunslight said: Spirit Prison and hell are the same thing. No, they're not. Where are you getting this stuff. D&C 76 specifies the Telestial Kingdom is what we colloquially call hell. The spirit prison is a place for those who never had the opportunity to choose or reject Christ. D&C 138 goes into greater detail about the dispositions of those that passed from mortality but are awaiting the resurrection. When Jesus was crucified, He went to Paradise (the place of righteous disembodied spirits, faithful saints). He organized a missionary force among them to do work among the wicked (the place of darkness) where He could not go or to raise His voice. Similarly, Jesus' Parable of the Rich Man and the Beggar Named Lazarus (Luke 16:19 thru 31) describes the Place of Rest (Abraham's Bosom), the Place of Torment (hell) and a Great Gulf Fixed (difficult to pass over). 2
bluebell Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 56 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: No, they're not. Where are you getting this stuff. D&C 76 specifies the Telestial Kingdom is what we colloquially call hell. The spirit prison is a place for those who never had the opportunity to choose or reject Christ. It's in the first paragraph of the gospel topic "Hell" on lds.org- Latter-day revelations speak of hell in at least two ways. First, it is another name for spirit prison, a temporary place in the postmortal world for those who died without a knowledge of the truth or those who were disobedient in mortality. Second, it is the permanent location of Satan and his followers and the sons of perdition, who are not redeemed by the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Spirit prison isn't just for those who died without knowledge. It is also for those who were bad people during mortality. I don't think that section 76 says that the telestial kingdom is hell, only that those who inherit that kingdom are those who will be thrust down to hell before the final judgement and their eventual inheritance of a kingdom of glory. I don't think that a kingdom of glory, where the Holy Spirit can dwell, could be accurately described as hell. Can you share what verses you are talking about? 3
pogi Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, JLHPROF said: No, they're not. Where are you getting this stuff. D&C 76 specifies the Telestial Kingdom is what we colloquially call hell. The spirit prison is a place for those who never had the opportunity to choose or reject Christ. Spirit Prison is refereed to as hell, sometimes even "outer darkness" in scripture. Quote D&C 76: 81 And again, we saw the glory of the telestial, which glory is that of the lesser, even as the glory of the stars differs from that of the glory of the moon in the firmament. 82 These are they who received not the gospel of Christ, neither the testimony of Jesus. 83 These are they who deny not the Holy Spirit. 84 These are they who are thrust down to hell. 85 These are they who shall not be redeemed from the devil until the last resurrection, until the Lord, even Christ the Lamb, shall have finished his work. Notice that they are redeemed from hell and the devil after the last resurrection. Quote Alma 40:11, 13, 14 11 Now, concerning the state of the soul between death and the resurrection—Behold, it has been made known unto me by an angel, that the spirits of all men, as soon as they are departed from this mortal body, yea, the spirits of all men, whether they be good or evil, are taken home to that God who gave them life. 13 And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of the wicked, yea, who are evil—for behold, they have no part nor portion of the Spirit of the Lord; for behold, they chose evil works rather than good; therefore the spirit of the devil did enter into them, and take possession of their house—and these shall be cast out into outer darkness; there shall be weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth, and this because of their own iniquity, being led captive by the will of the devil. 14 Now this is the state of the souls of the wicked, yea, in darkness, and a state of awful, fearful looking for the fiery indignation of the wrath of God upon them; thus they remain in this state, as well as the righteous in paradise, until the time of their resurrection. Notice that they call spirit prison outer darkness - a state of the soul "between death and the resurrection" where they will remain "until the time of their resurrection". This is one area that Sunslight and I actually agree. If telestial kingdom is hell, it seems like a strange place for God - the Holy Ghost - to be hanging out. If it is hell, then one can be saved and go to hell at the same time. That seems like a strange idea. See also: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/hell?lang=eng I think the confusion comes in vs 105 of section 76: Quote 105 These are they who suffer the vengeance of eternal fire. They may suffer eternal shame like fire, but it is not hell. This is made clear in the next verse: Quote 106 These are they who are cast down to hell and suffer the wrath of Almighty God, until the fulness of times, when Christ shall have subdued all enemies under his feet, and shall have perfected his work; Edited January 29, 2020 by pogi 1
Sunslight Posted January 29, 2020 Author Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Ahab said: Close but not quite. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone just automatically saw and agreed with everything that is true? In my mind I see it like this: Spirit prison: a mind/spirit is imprisoned such that it is difficult for that person/mind/spirit to see beyond their own paradigm, preferring to think in terms of only their own paradigm rather than feeling free to seek out and actually find more truth with God's help Hell is a state of mental anguish, an actual form of suffering and a place (spiritually/mentally speaking) of suffering. People in spirit prison can experience Hell, and people who experience Hell can be in spirit prison, but both are distinct and not quite the same thing. I see it as this, Spirit prison is hell, it is what we hope to be redeemed from, either to not experience it, or if we are condemned to such, that we will not remain there eternally. The spirit prison was prepared by God as a holding place for the wicked. Moses7 38 But behold, these which thine eyes are upon shall perish in the floods; and behold, I will shut them up; a prison have I prepared for them. 39 And that which I have chosen hath pled before my face. Wherefore, he suffereth for their sins; inasmuch as they will repent in the day that my Chosen shall return unto me, and until that day they shall be in torment.
JLHPROF Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 24 minutes ago, bluebell said: It's in the first paragraph of the gospel topic "Hell" on lds.org- Latter-day revelations speak of hell in at least two ways. First, it is another name for spirit prison, a temporary place in the postmortal world for those who died without a knowledge of the truth or those who were disobedient in mortality. Second, it is the permanent location of Satan and his followers and the sons of perdition, who are not redeemed by the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Spirit prison isn't just for those who died without knowledge. It is also for those who were bad people during mortality. I don't think that section 76 says that the telestial kingdom is hell, only that those who inherit that kingdom are those who will be thrust down to hell before the final judgement and their eventual inheritance of a kingdom of glory. I don't think that a kingdom of glory, where the Holy Spirit can dwell, could be accurately described as hell. Can you share what verses you are talking about? D&C 76:84 These are they who are thrust down to hell. (speaking of the Telestial)
bluebell Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: D&C 76:84 These are they who are thrust down to hell. (speaking of the Telestial) I understand that verse as saying these are they that are thrust down to hell before receiving their kingdom of glory. These are they who are thrust down to hell. These are they who shall not be redeemed from the devil until the last resurrection, until the Lord, even Christ the Lamb, shall have finished his work. Can someone be in hell after being redeemed? I don't believe so. In my understanding hell is not for the redeemed. 3
Ahab Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, bluebell said: It's in the first paragraph of the gospel topic "Hell" on lds.org- Latter-day revelations speak of hell in at least two ways. First, it is another name for spirit prison, a temporary place in the postmortal world for those who died without a knowledge of the truth or those who were disobedient in mortality. Second, it is the permanent location of Satan and his followers and the sons of perdition, who are not redeemed by the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Spirit prison isn't just for those who died without knowledge. It is also for those who were bad people during mortality. I don't think that section 76 says that the telestial kingdom is hell, only that those who inherit that kingdom are those who will be thrust down to hell before the final judgement and their eventual inheritance of a kingdom of glory. I don't think that a kingdom of glory, where the Holy Spirit can dwell, could be accurately described as hell. Can you share what verses you are talking about? i agree that many prophets and members of the Church speak of spirit prison as if it is the same thing/place as Hell but I see a distinction because I see a distinction between being ignorant and being rebellious and I can't envision well intentioned ignorant people suffering the torments of Hell simply because they are ignorant. Those who died without a knowledge of the truth of the gospel includes those who never heard of the gospel or of the idea that someone could save them from what they did that was wrong which they did not know was wrong when they did it. It also includes those who never heard of or received the first principles and ordinances of the gospel, or how they could receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, or even the term "the Holy Ghost" or what the Holy Ghost is. To think that such ignorant people who likely have and had good intentions would be suffering the torments of Hell simply because they didn't and still don't know what to do to be "saved" just doesn't sound right to me. So there must be something more to this. If they are the same place, why would being ignorant be justification for suffering the torment of Hell. Could it be that maybe the torments of Hell aren't really so bad for those who are ignorant of any truth they don't know? That if the ignorant suffer the torments of Hell, maybe it's just a little torment and the really painful torment is reserved for those who act out in rebellion? Maybe there are various degree of torment. Hmm. I suppose that could be the case. I'm sometimes a little uncomfortable when I don't know something so maybe that can be called the torment of Hell even though it's not as much torment as someone who is rebellious against God feels. I'll have to think a little bit more about this. Edited January 29, 2020 by Ahab 1
Ahab Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 23 minutes ago, Sunslight said: I see it as this, Spirit prison is hell, it is what we hope to be redeemed from, either to not experience it, or if we are condemned to such, that we will not remain there eternally. The spirit prison was prepared by God as a holding place for the wicked. And ignorant too, you think? Is being ignorant enough to warrant the torments of Hell? Even only a little bit? 23 minutes ago, Sunslight said: Moses7 38 But behold, these which thine eyes are upon shall perish in the floods; and behold, I will shut them up; a prison have I prepared for them. 39 And that which I have chosen hath pled before my face. Wherefore, he suffereth for their sins; inasmuch as they will repent in the day that my Chosen shall return unto me, and until that day they shall be in torment. I'm fine with the rebellious suffering some form of torment. Especially if they had the opportunity to accept the gospel while understanding what the gospel is. I'm just not totally on board with the idea that the ignorant should suffer the torments of Hell, too. I'll give it some more thought, though. Maybe I just need some more time to grow accustomed to the idea that ignorant people should suffer some of the torments of Hell because it was their responsibility to seek out knowledge of the gospel even if they had never heard of it before.
Sunslight Posted January 29, 2020 Author Posted January 29, 2020 And in being redeemed from hell, as our scriptures point out, they have to show obedience to the ordinances of salvation. This applies to all the living and the dead.
Sunslight Posted January 29, 2020 Author Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ahab said: And ignorant too, you think? Is being ignorant enough to warrant the torments of Hell? Even only a little bit? I'm fine with the rebellious suffering some form of torment. Especially if they had the opportunity to accept the gospel while understanding what the gospel is. I'm just not totally on board with the idea that the ignorant should suffer the torments of Hell, too. I'll give it some more thought, though. Maybe I just need some more time to grow accustomed to the idea that ignorant people should suffer some of the torments of Hell because it was their responsibility to seek out knowledge of the gospel even if they had never heard of it before. Only the "wicked and disobedient who had rejected the truth" (D&C 138:29) are in spirit prison (hell). The ignorant go into paradise to be taught as I understand.
Ahab Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, Sunslight said: Only the "wicked and disobedient who had rejected the truth" (D&C 138:29) are in spirit prison (hell). The ignorant go into paradise to be taught as I understand. Oh, okay. You convinced me. As long as what you are saying is true. I'll pray about it some more to be sure.
InCognitus Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, JLHPROF said: 2 hours ago, Sunslight said: Spirit Prison and hell are the same thing. No, they're not. Where are you getting this stuff. D&C 76 specifies the Telestial Kingdom is what we colloquially call hell. The spirit prison is a place for those who never had the opportunity to choose or reject Christ. "Hell" is a messy and confusing concept, complicated further by our King James version Bible translation which has carried over into our English usage of "hell" in the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants. This has been discussed elsewhere, but there are two distinctly different places translated in the New Testament as "hell". These two places are distinguished by (mainly) two Greek words: gehenna, and hádēs, with Tártaros as a third word but only used once. The "hádēs" version of hell is the place (or state) of departed souls. It is "the grave", where all the dead go. This is a temporary place that is emptied out at the time that people are resurrected. Rev 20:13 makes this clear: "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell [hádēs] delivered up the dead which were in them". And also Acts 2:27 "Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell [hádēs], neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption." It is further understood that in hádēs there is a separation between the righteous (i.e. "Abraham's bosom") and the wicked, and there is a "great gulf" between them (the rich man and Lazarus story in Luke 16). The Greek word Tártaros (used by Peter in 2 Peter 2:4) is defined as deepest abyss of Hades. The gehenna version of hell is the place (or state) of "everlasting punishment". This is the fire and brimstone "hell". This is the word used in Matthew 18:9, where Jesus said: "And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell [gehenna] fire". As I said above, this same usage carries over into our other scriptures, because that's how we use the words in English. For example, Doctrine and Covenants 138:23 seems to be referring to the hádēs version of hell: "And the saints rejoiced in their redemption, and bowed the knee and acknowledged the Son of God as their Redeemer and Deliverer from death and the chains of hell." This verse is very much like Revelation 1:18, which uses the word hádēs: "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell [hádēs] and of death." And in these verses from Doctrine and Covenants 76 may be referring to the Tártaros version of hell (the deepest abyss of Hades, the place where the rich man went in the Luke 16 story), when talking about those in the Telestial kingdom: "These are they who are thrust down to hell. These are they who shall not be redeemed from the devil until the last resurrection, until the Lord, even Christ the Lamb, shall have finished his work." (Doctrine and Covenants 76:84–85). I'm guessing here because this seems to be a temporary state. So, to address the statement quoted above, I think Spirit Prison and hell can be the same thing, as long as you are talking about the hádēs version of hell. Edit: It took a while to write this post, including several phone call interruptions, and I see that pogi, bluebell, and longview have posted similar ideas while I was writing this. Edited January 29, 2020 by InCognitus 3
pogi Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 31 minutes ago, Sunslight said: Only the "wicked and disobedient who had rejected the truth" (D&C 138:29) are in spirit prison (hell). The ignorant go into paradise to be taught as I understand. Vs. 32 includes those who died..."without a knowledge of the truth". Hell is less a place and more a condition. Not all those in spirit prison will be experiencing the condition of hell. Once a person receives the truth and vicarious ordinances are performed, they are freed from prison and can enter paradise. 1
pogi Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 40 minutes ago, Ahab said: Oh, okay. You convinced me. As long as what you are saying is true. I'll pray about it some more to be sure. You might want to review this, with the scriptural references, before buying in. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-41-the-postmortal-spirit-world?lang=eng
Ahab Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, InCognitus said: "Hell" is a messy and confusing concept, complicated further by our King James version Bible translation which has carried over into our English usage of "hell" in the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants. This has been discussed elsewhere, but there are two distinctly different places translated in the New Testament as "hell". These two places are distinguished by (mainly) two Greek words: gehenna, and hádēs, with Tártaros as a third word but only used once. The "hádēs" version of hell is the place (or state) of departed souls. It is "the grave", where all the dead go. This is a temporary place that is emptied out at the time that people are resurrected. Rev 20:13 makes this clear: "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell [hádēs] delivered up the dead which were in them". And also Acts 2:27 "Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell [hádēs], neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption." It is further understood that in hádēs there is a separation between the righteous (i.e. "Abraham's bosom") and the wicked, and there is a "great gulf" between them (the rich man and Lazarus story in Luke 16). The Greek word Tártaros (used by Peter in 2 Peter 2:4) is defined as deepest abyss of Hades. The gehenna version of hell is the place (or state) of "everlasting punishment". This is the fire and brimstone "hell". This is the word used in Matthew 18:9, where Jesus said: "And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell [gehenna] fire". As I said above, this same usage carries over into our other scriptures, because that's how we use the words in English. For example, Doctrine and Covenants 138:23 seems to be referring to the hádēs version of hell: "And the saints rejoiced in their redemption, and bowed the knee and acknowledged the Son of God as their Redeemer and Deliverer from death and the chains of hell." This verse is very much like Revelation 1:18, which uses the word hádēs: "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell [hádēs] and of death." And in these verses from Doctrine and Covenants 76 may be referring to the Tártaros version of hell (the deepest abyss of Hades, the place where the rich man went in the Luke 16 story), when talking about those in the Telestial kingdom: "These are they who are thrust down to hell. These are they who shall not be redeemed from the devil until the last resurrection, until the Lord, even Christ the Lamb, shall have finished his work." (Doctrine and Covenants 76:84–85). I'm guessing here because this seems to be a temporary state. So, to address the statement quoted above, I think Spirit Prison and hell can be the same thing, as long as you are talking about the hádēs version of hell. Wonderful. I knew all of this but didn't recall it in detail as you have done here. Thank you.
Ahab Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 So just to clarify where I am at understanding all of this, I now understand that all of us will be going to Hell when we die, either in the spirit prison of Hell or the paradise of Hell, and that after all of us are resurrected, there will still be some of us who will stay in Hell. And there is apparently no way at all to be saved from going to Hell, since that's where everybody goes when they die, which means that no matter what I do or how much I tried to follow the gospel, I will be going to Hell when I die and there is no way I can avoid that. I just hope I won't have to suffer very much or for very long. I'm aware that I'm supposedly going to miss having my mortal body and that I will look upon not having one with some sort of suffering feeling, but I'll be able to look forward to a resurrected body, just as everyone else in Hell will be resurrected, except for those who followed Satan in the beginning and didn't get a mortal body to be resurrected back into. So, enough about Hell and suffering for now. Apparently I've got it coming and I'd rather just try to think about some other things now and try to just ignore the fact that I will be going to Hell sometime soon, probably within the next 10 or 20 years.
JLHPROF Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, bluebell said: I understand that verse as saying these are they that are thrust down to hell before receiving their kingdom of glory. These are they who are thrust down to hell. These are they who shall not be redeemed from the devil until the last resurrection, until the Lord, even Christ the Lamb, shall have finished his work. Can someone be in hell after being redeemed? I don't believe so. In my understanding hell is not for the redeemed. That does make sense. I can agree with that understanding. I retract my earlier statement (made in haste on my cell as I was walking...). I should probably take time to think through sometimes before hitting submit.I know the current LDS teaching is: PARADISE ---------------> CELESTIAL KINGDOM ------------------ JUDGEMENT ---------------> TERRESTRIAL KINGDOM SP. PRISON ---------------> TELESTIAL KINGDOM So the question is what is heaven, what is hell, and where do the "saved" go? Our esteemed OP seems to feel that EVERYONE who goes to a kingdom needs to be baptized and these are the ones who are saved. And that the unsaved include EVERYONE who isn't baptized and that is hell. And that this is all final with no future progression or hope for change. (Sunslight can correct me if I understand him wrong.) I disagree with a large portion of that - the strict definition of saved, the baptismal requirement for the lesser kingdoms, and the lack of post-judgment progression. Edited January 30, 2020 by JLHPROF 2
InCognitus Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 7 hours ago, teddyaware said: On 1/27/2020 at 9:45 AM, InCognitus said: But not a literal hell fire (https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1838-1856-volume-e-1-1-july-1843-30-april-1844/348, published in History of the Church, Vol.6, Ch.14, p.314). To quote Joseph Smith: So then, by extension, can we also say that there possibly is no literal heaven, or what the prophet Joseph Smith describes as a celestialized planet, the composition of which is like an immense sea of glass that serves as a Urim and Thummim to all those who dwell thereon? That heaven is not an actual place, but that heaven can be anywhere and everywhere as long as a saved individual is in possession of an authentically holy, heavenly state of mind? Definitely, "heaven" can also be a vague term. We think of heaven as "up there somewhere" from our point of view on earth, but there are worlds without number in the "heavens". The meek will inherit the earth, and the earth is included in the kingdom of God, and perhaps all of this is the kingdom of heaven. Isaiah 66:1 "Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool".
Calm Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Sunslight said: The ignorant go into paradise to be taught as I understand. What scriptures do you see teaching this?
Calm Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 57 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: I know the current LDS teaching is: PARADISE ---------------> CELESTIAL KINGDOM ------------------ JUDGEMENT ---------------> TERRESTRIAL KINGDOM SP. PRISON ---------------> TELESTIAL KINGDOM Not completely if you mean there is no movement into paradise from Spirit Prison. Just making sure on same page. Quote The Apostle Peter referred to the postmortal spirit world as a prison, which it is for some (see 1 Peter 3:18–20). In the spirit prison are the spirits of those who have not yet received the gospel of Jesus Christ. These spirits have agency and may be enticed by both good and evil. If they accept the gospel and the ordinances performed for them in the temples, they may leave the spirit prison and dwell in paradise. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-41-the-postmortal-spirit-world?lang=eng
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