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Just saw this on FB, this has many details that I haven't seen in any other news report, my bet is that they are out of the country on the run with her children. I was wondering if the kids were alive, so a little better scenario in my mind. I bet there is someone that knows what's going on, maybe a few people, like the followers in the group possibly. But maybe the police have checked out if the couple left on a plane, or dropped the ball on this. ETA: After reading the following article, I worry for anyone in the midst of Lori Daybell, she is whack! In the article it stated this: She’s a black widow,” Kay Woodcock said. “(Husband) three and (husband) four are dead. Five? He’s next. How he’s gonna go? I don’t know. But I wouldn’t sleep with my eyes closed.”

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/01/court-documents-mother-of-missing-rexburg-children-believes-she-is-a-reincarnated-god-chosen-for-christs-second-coming/

Also, this: 

other [Lori Vallow] has recently become infatuated at times obsessive about near death experiences and spiritual visions. Mother has told Father [Charles Vallow] that she is sealed [eternally married] to the ancient Book of Mormon prophet Moroni and that she has lived numerous lives on numerous planets prior to this current life. Mother also believes that she was married to James the Just in a past life and also lived as Mary French in the 1800s who was Joseph Smith Junior’s natural grandmother. Mother also informed Father that she is a translated being who cannot taste death sent by God to lead the 144,000 into the Millennium. Mother believes that she is receiving spiritual revelations and visions to help her gather and prepare those chosen to live in the New Jerusalem after the Great War as prophesied in the book of Revelations.

On January 29, 2019, during a phone conversation between the parties and after their physical separation, Mother informed Father that she was a God assigned to carry out the work of the 144,000 at Christ’s second coming in July 2020 and that if Father got in her way of her mission she would murder him.

The next day Father was on a business trip in Houston and during another phone conversation she kept referring to Father as ‘Nick Schneider’ instead of Father’s name. Father asked who Nick Schneider was and Mother told him that Nick was Father’s real name because Nick had killed Father and taken his identity. Mother proceeded to warn Father that she would kill him upon his return home and had an angel there to help her dispose of the body. She also mentioned that she could not trust Father and that she would not only kill him but would destroy him financially. Since that conversation Mother’s communications with Father have been rare and intermittent.

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With all that, got to wonder why he was willing to let JJ be cared for by her.  I assume because JJ wasn’t happy with anyone else. 

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I'm a little confused over the family relationships!   The Woodcocks are described as JJ's grandparents but Charles Vallow who adopted JJ is said to be Kay Woodcock's brother.  Wouldn't that make them JJ's aunt and uncle? How are they his grandparents? 

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6 minutes ago, sheilauk said:

I'm a little confused over the family relationships!   The Woodcocks are described as JJ's grandparents but Charles Vallow who adopted JJ is said to be Kay Woodcock's brother.  Wouldn't that make them JJ's aunt and uncle? How are they his grandparents? 

I was confused too.  Took me awhile to figure out the oldest daughter that is missing.

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 JJ was born to a one of the Woodcock's children and adopted by Lori and Charles.  He is not Lori or Charles biological child. 
 

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JJ’s bio mother was not in a good place when he was born. Iirc she had a drug issue.  So initially the grandparents cared for him, but the grandfather felt they were too old (don’t know if this was before or after they found out he was autistic) to care for him as he grew and asked if his wife’s brother and wife could adopt him instead. It was apparently working out very well until Lori Vallow went off the rails. 
 

Tylee is from a previous marriage of Lori’s, her dad was Joseph Ryan who died in 2018. Cremated so now there is suspicion can’t exhume.  He was Lori’s third husband, Charles the fourth. Iirc her first marriage was right out of high school and ended quickly. Can’t remember anything about the second. She has one older son (by second husband iirc, adopted by Ryan but I may be wrong on that) who seems like a nice young man, married with small kid of his own. 

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On 1/6/2020 at 1:57 PM, smac97 said:

Julie Rowe has posted a video about her relationship with Chad Daybell:

Here's an interesting bit (at about 4:55):

She also distances herself from "Preparing a People."  She also states that the Church "didn't get {her} back" (did not support her) when negative media coverage about her was circulating, and that the media in part caused her excommunication (9:40).

Thanks,

-Smac

Given Julie's track record for predictions,  I expect Chad's up to his eyeball in this mess.  Seriously, I don't think she's ever made an accurate prediction!!

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On 1/8/2020 at 6:30 PM, Calm said:

With all that, got to wonder why he was willing to let JJ be cared for by her.  I assume because JJ wasn’t happy with anyone else. 

Likely it was because Charles' work which seemed to involve traveling made it difficult for him to care for the children with no help.  Lori took off around Feb, March last year and was missing for about 58 days.  I believe I read that family helped Charles take care of JJ, and his step sister, Tylee's older so she probably helped too.  JJ had serious difficulties with Autism and took medications, had special needs.  And, most people have said Lori was an excellent mother before all this happened.  I suspect that Charles was baffled by the changes in her and probably at a loss for how to handle it.  He did file for divorce (that's how the info about Lori's nuttiness and threats of murder came into the record), but then he stopped the process.  Lori returned and took the children again, and that's how Charles was killed.  Lori was living in a house charles was renting for them, when he came to take JJ to school and Alex shot and killed him.

Also, it seems that Charles suspected that Lori was having an affair with Chad.  She was involved in making podcasts with Chad before she disappeared and before Charles filed divorce papers. 

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38 minutes ago, alter idem said:

He did file for divorce (that's how the info about Lori's nuttiness and threats of murder came into the record), but then he stopped the process. 

This is what baffles me.  If my spouse somehow got to mentally disturbed point of making threats of murder, the last people I would willingly let him have contact with if I had a choice would be my children even with an excellent record.

Lori either had to convince him it was a some strange game or mental fluke not to be taken seriously...yet they were still estranged, so seems unlikely all concerns were resolved...or there were no other workable options for a caregiver for JJ.  And since Charles had both money for a nanny and family apparently willing to help to cover while he was traveling so normally there would be options, the only thing that makes sense to me is JJ was too upset by the changes and did best in the care of Lori when Charles was traveling.

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On 1/15/2020 at 10:11 AM, Calm said:

This is what baffles me.  If my spouse somehow got to mentally disturbed point of making threats of murder, the last people I would willingly let him have contact with if I had a choice would be my children even with an excellent record.

Lori either had to convince him it was a some strange game or mental fluke not to be taken seriously...yet they were still estranged, so seems unlikely all concerns were resolved...or there were no other workable options for a caregiver for JJ.  And since Charles had both money for a nanny and family apparently willing to help to cover while he was traveling so normally there would be options, the only thing that makes sense to me is JJ was too upset by the changes and did best in the care of Lori when Charles was traveling.

I agree, it's hard for me to understand Charles and what he was willing to put up with those from her those last few months of their marriage.  I think JJ's special needs made it difficult for Charles to simply find a nanny or send him to other relatives for care.  Also, Lori had apparently been a very good mother--that is, before she got involved with Chad Daybell, and I think Charles still loved Lori  and felt there was hope she'd come back to the family; at that point he hadn't given up on the marriage.  It's hard to know exactly what he was feeling that would make him stay in the marriage, when she was clearly unbalanced.  It could be that he was the type of man who wanted to be needed and to protect and Lori clearly needed him.

Charles sister Kay Woodcock told local station KPVI that Charles shared his belief that Lori and Chad were having an affair; when he showed her the evidence, Kay felt there was no doubt that the affair was taking place but she said her brother was in denial because he still loved her and wanted to make the marriage work.

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7 hours ago, alter idem said:

It's hard to know exactly what he was feeling that would make him stay in the marriage, when she was clearly unbalanced.  It could be that he was the type of man who wanted to be needed and to protect and Lori clearly needed him.

Love isn't always rational, that is for sure.

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I just watched the next installment of Eyes open #7, that Julie Rowe/Eric Smith made on Chad and Lori V.  Drama.  There was a lot of interesting things--first, I'd say she's backing off her firm stance on Chad's innocence.  She seems to have developed some doubts, probably as more has come to light, though of course, she chalks it up to her gifts--I chalk it up to more information, imo.  A couple of things--she claims the police and FBI know where Chad and Lori and the kids are, but aren't telling.  She 'sees' them at a beach, on an island--said it was Lanai in Hawaii.  She also admitted that she hasn't trusted Chad for the last year, things he's done, said he 'crossed a line'. And his 'revelations' are no longer 'pure'.  I interpreted that to mean, that she might have known  or suspected he was having an affair with Lori (but that's just my speculation, she didn't say it).  She said they had a disagreement in the spring when he and Tammy asked her to pay 13,000.00 for books that he had printed, since she wasn't going to continue publishing with him, and he saw that she was making money from her Energy Healing business.

One of the interesting things--she mentioned some of the crazy stuff  that Lori Vallow believed, in particular, being sealed to Moroni and being a translated being and a God.  She called it 'gross'.  But, I wonder if she has forgotten what she said about her own self on a podcast a couple of years ago--that she would be betrayed and killed by so called friends, that she would be brought back to life as a translated being. Julie never claimed she was a God, I'll give her that.  She also didn't mention Lori's belief in past lives as an ancestor of Joseph Smith, when Julie also believes she lived past lives as famous women (Seth's wife for one), I don't know, maybe she has a bad memory of the many things she's said over the last five, six years. 

One really important tidbit was that she admitted that her organization has about 60 safe houses with supplies, but she clarified and said the houses are the personal property of individuals helping her Greater relief charity and so she doesn't own them.  I've speculated that her network of safe houses could be used to hide them, and with this added clarification, that they are run and owned by individuals, to me, it seems even more likely that Chad and Lori could be being protected by someone or some people who believe in their innocence and feel the govt. is persecuting them and Julie might not even know about it. 

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12 hours ago, alter idem said:

I just watched the next installment of Eyes open #7, that Julie Rowe/Eric Smith made on Chad and Lori V.  Drama.  There was a lot of interesting things--first, I'd say she's backing off her firm stance on Chad's innocence.  She seems to have developed some doubts, probably as more has come to light, though of course, she chalks it up to her gifts--I chalk it up to more information, imo.  A couple of things--she claims the police and FBI know where Chad and Lori and the kids are, but aren't telling.  She 'sees' them at a beach, on an island--said it was Lanai in Hawaii.  She also admitted that she hasn't trusted Chad for the last year, things he's done, said he 'crossed a line'. And his 'revelations' are no longer 'pure'.  I interpreted that to mean, that she might have known  or suspected he was having an affair with Lori (but that's just my speculation, she didn't say it).  She said they had a disagreement in the spring when he and Tammy asked her to pay 13,000.00 for books that he had printed, since she wasn't going to continue publishing with him, and he saw that she was making money from her Energy Healing business.

One of the interesting things--she mentioned some of the crazy stuff  that Lori Vallow believed, in particular, being sealed to Moroni and being a translated being and a God.  She called it 'gross'.  But, I wonder if she has forgotten what she said about her own self on a podcast a couple of years ago--that she would be betrayed and killed by so called friends, that she would be brought back to life as a translated being. Julie never claimed she was a God, I'll give her that.  She also didn't mention Lori's belief in past lives as an ancestor of Joseph Smith, when Julie also believes she lived past lives as famous women (Seth's wife for one), I don't know, maybe she has a bad memory of the many things she's said over the last five, six years. 

One really important tidbit was that she admitted that her organization has about 60 safe houses with supplies, but she clarified and said the houses are the personal property of individuals helping her Greater relief charity and so she doesn't own them.  I've speculated that her network of safe houses could be used to hide them, and with this added clarification, that they are run and owned by individuals, to me, it seems even more likely that Chad and Lori could be being protected by someone or some people who believe in their innocence and feel the govt. is persecuting them and Julie might not even know about it. 

She's very good at saying something and then pretending like she didn't say it.  

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2 hours ago, bluebell said:

She's very good at saying something and then pretending like she didn't say it.  

Hey, I'm not responsible for anything I wrote or said more than 5 minutes ago! 😀

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33 minutes ago, Calm said:

For background on the movement Daybell is involved in, this Facebook page is excellent...and disturbing:

https://m.facebook.com/1557462021236368/posts/2504032356579325/

Wow, wow, wow, I'm flabbergasted! When I read through I saw the name Roger K. Young and it hit me that my MIL may have shared his messages. This was probably around 25 years ago and it is a cassette tape copy, I may still have it. She wanted me to listen to it. I hope I find it and see if it's the same guy. Just saw this youtube below, and he mentions he has been around for 35 years or something, so it very well could be. My MIL was pro food storage etc. Recently she has decided that she would like to go to assisted living. When, or if, her land is developed they are going to haul out tons of coal that they stored in their ground just in case, and the loads of food storage too. And this youtube talks about food storage etc. So it makes me wonder...

 

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Roger K Young seemed more mainstream to me, but that may be just because I had to dust his books when I worked at a church bookstore in 2001-2.  He had predicted, iirc, a Y2K disaster...can't remember if there was anything specific about it, so his books a few years later were obviously faulty at least in that area.  Who would buy them if he got that prediction so wrong?  Don't remember ever selling any, but we had a lot, so at one time they would have been popular since that was how books were ordered (how well they sold in the last several months).

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8 hours ago, Calm said:

Roger K Young seemed more mainstream to me, but that may be just because I had to dust his books when I worked at a church bookstore in 2001-2.  He had predicted, iirc, a Y2K disaster...can't remember if there was anything specific about it, so his books a few years later were obviously faulty at least in that area.  Who would buy them if he got that prediction so wrong?  Don't remember ever selling any, but we had a lot, so at one time they would have been popular since that was how books were ordered (how well they sold in the last several months).

One of my mission apartments had a couple of his books and I tried to read one.  It was horrible.  His books made caused feelings of hopelessness and despair and definitely did not bring the right spirit into our home.  We threw them away.

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10 hours ago, Tacenda said:

Wow, wow, wow, I'm flabbergasted! When I read through I saw the name Roger K. Young and it hit me that my MIL may have shared his messages. This was probably around 25 years ago and it is a cassette tape copy, I may still have it. She wanted me to listen to it. I hope I find it and see if it's the same guy. Just saw this youtube below, and he mentions he has been around for 35 years or something, so it very well could be. My MIL was pro food storage etc. Recently she has decided that she would like to go to assisted living. When, or if, her land is developed they are going to haul out tons of coal that they stored in their ground just in case, and the loads of food storage too. And this youtube talks about food storage etc. So it makes me wonder...

 

From the video:

"People were always coming up to me and asking where they could find food storage and preparedness items at prices they could afford, and I was having to tell them, 'I really don't know.'"

Um, what?  The Church has moved heaven and earth to provide food storage at extremely low prices (at or below wholesale, with no sales tax).  See, e.g., here: How to Begin a 3-12 Month Food Supply.

Also, the MLM-ness and "Free Stuff!" aspects are offputting.

More recently, Mr. Young appears to have been running an MLM called Pure-Light Technologies, Inc. selling light bulbs that are purportedly "proven to kill 99.9% of bacteria, viruses, fungus, and mold… including MRSA, E-COLI, STAPH, CRE, Salmonella and other diseases…even those viruses and bacteria that have become resistant to antibiotics."

Sigh.

It's frustrating to encounter stuff like this because I am A) a member of a religion that teaches sensible things about food storage (and facilitates the affordable purchase of foodstuffs), and B) an individual who has taken up emergency preparedness as a component of my responsibilities as a husband and father.  I think paying attention to this stuff is worthwhile, but it can easily get out of hand and taken to extremes.  One way for this to happen is for hucksters to use a disturbing combination of alarmism and greed to panic people into rushing into unwise courses of action.  "The end of the world is coming, so buy our stuff!  Oh, and you can make money by getting your friends and relatives into your downline!"

I am glad to have some food storage and emergency prep stuff in my home.  I am concerned about folks who use fear to turn sound "provident living" principles into money-making ventures.

Thanks,

-Smac

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2 hours ago, smac97 said:

From the video:

"People were always coming up to me and asking where they could find food storage and preparedness items at prices they could afford, and I was having to tell them, 'I really don't know.'"

Um, what?  The Church has moved heaven and earth to provide food storage at extremely low prices (at or below wholesale, with no sales tax).  See, e.g., here: How to Begin a 3-12 Month Food Supply.

Also, the MLM-ness and "Free Stuff!" aspects are offputting.

More recently, Mr. Young appears to have been running an MLM called Pure-Light Technologies, Inc. selling light bulbs that are purportedly "proven to kill 99.9% of bacteria, viruses, fungus, and mold… including MRSA, E-COLI, STAPH, CRE, Salmonella and other diseases…even those viruses and bacteria that have become resistant to antibiotics."

Sigh.

It's frustrating to encounter stuff like this because I am A) a member of a religion that teaches sensible things about food storage (and facilitates the affordable purchase of foodstuffs), and B) an individual who has taken up emergency preparedness as a component of my responsibilities as a husband and father.  I think paying attention to this stuff is worthwhile, but it can easily get out of hand and taken to extremes.  One way for this to happen is for hucksters to use a disturbing combination of alarmism and greed to panic people into rushing into unwise courses of action.  "The end of the world is coming, so buy our stuff!  Oh, and you can make money by getting your friends and relatives into your downline!"

I am glad to have some food storage and emergency prep stuff in my home.  I am concerned about folks who use fear to turn sound "provident living" principles into money-making ventures.

Thanks,

-Smac

Me too! Thanks for your input! 🙂

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11 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Parents have been found in Hawaii and seem to be living their best life.  😡

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mother-stepfather-missing-idaho-siblings-130801718.html

From the video (by the reporter trailing the couple) :

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Reporter: There are people around the country praying for your children.  Praying for you guys.  Why don't you give us answers?

Lori Vallow: That's great.

 

And here (by the newsreader) :

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Cops are searching the couple's Hawaii home.  Seven year old Joshua and seventeen year old Tylee have not been seen since September.

No indication that they (the police) found the kids.

Thanks,

-Smac

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lol Roger K. Young.  Formerly (maybe currently) of the Another Voice Of Warning forum.  Doomsday preppers that share visions about an impending callout where our bishops will call the righteous to go live in the Rocky Mountains for a year.  Notable as a forum that required payment to read/post.  Back a decade or so ago, they came up with an exact date, which passed.  Another date came, and went.  I guess that can only happen so many times before a guy needs a new line of work.  Lightbulbs that kill bacteria sounds right up his alley. 

I know a few folks who used to participate there, then wised up and distanced themselves.  

Back in the day, someone could make a post like mine on a board like this, and within a few days, some new account would show up to point out the errors of my ways and yell about slander and whatnot.  I wonder if that still happens.

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