Stake President

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, MiserereNobis said:

You mean there wouldn't be some officious worker who would deny President Nelson entrance because he forgot his wallet?

I imagine some Catholic bishop somewhere not allowing the Pope to say Mass in his diocese because the Pope didn't bring his certificate of ordination (which some Bishops require of out-of-diocese priests, just to make sure): "I'm sorry, your holiness, but we are strict about the rules here..."

I was told a story by someone who was escorting an apostle and coming to a temple to ordain sealers and the guy at the recommend desk did not recognize him and just asked for a recommend. The apostle politely told the guy at the recommend desk that a member of the temple presidency was expecting him and to please call him to come out. He called, one came out, and immediately waved the apostle in. He was expected but he was over an hour early.

Edited October 24, 2019 by The Nehor

[Scott Lloyd]

26 minutes ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

Not a rule. Just that I find it funny. Singular they and their is very accepted especially in the vernacular. Calling it a mistake is old fashioned. It's not like anyone is running around speaking Old English, Middle English or even EModE anymore and somehow we manage to get along just find. Somehow we manage without "whom" and "hither" and "thither." Such a shame we lost thee and thou while we are at it! Language changes and evolves. 

Whom is actually the correct object form of the pronoun who, as in “whom do you trust?”.

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/who-vs-whom-its-not-as-complicated-as-you-might-think/

Edited October 24, 2019 by Scott Lloyd

[MiserereNobis]

11 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Whom is actually the correct object form of the pronoun who, as in “whom do you trust?”.

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/who-vs-whom-its-not-as-complicated-as-you-might-think/

It's easy enough to teach to my students. We list the subject pronouns (I, he, she, etc) and then the object pronouns (me, him, her, etc) and then tack who and whom on the list.

I like the idea of hither and thither. It's nice to have here as stationary and hither as motion. 

[Scott Lloyd]

9 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

It's easy enough to teach to my students. We list the subject pronouns (I, he, she, etc) and then the object pronouns (me, him, her, etc) and then tack who and whom on the list.

I like the idea of hither and thither. It's nice to have here as stationary and hither as motion. 

I will unabashedly use what some may regard as archaic words and expressions whenever it serves my purpose. I’m apt to use alas from time to time, for example. It is quite useful  to signal an observation of something lamentable. 

[Nemesis]

Get back on topic 

[Duncan]

I heard a story years ago about then Elder James Faust, he and his family went to the Washington DC? Temple, anyways, his recommend looked different then others due to him being an Apostle and the clerk didn't recognize it or him so he was asked to leave and he left with his family. I heard Elder Cree-L Kofford say one time that he went to a Temple with his wife, in one of the Temples in Utah. Anyways, they went to the recommend desk and gave their recommends and went in but the clerk asked what part of Georgia they came from, gobsmacked, they said weren't from Georgia, why would would they think that? Apparently beside their names it said, "GA" meaning of course General Authority, but also Georgia🤣

[mfbukowski]

On 10/23/2019 at 9:23 PM, The Nehor said:

I knew one guy who signed all three lines. He was called as a Stake President in a stake conference but would not be replaced as bishop until the following week.

Yep, I have seen this too

[mfbukowski]

8 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

I will unabashedly use what some may regard as archaic words and expressions whenever it serves my purpose. I’m apt to use alas from time to time, for example. It is quite useful  to signal an observation of something lamentable. 

Alice? She's not that bad, she lives down the street from me.

[Scott Lloyd]

1 hour ago, mfbukowski said:

Alice? She's not that bad, she lives down the street from me.

Alice? Alice? Who the heck is Alice?

 

[Jeanne]

On 10/23/2019 at 8:27 PM, Scott Lloyd said:

Yet I only call out a fraction of what I notice. 
 

For decades, a substantial part of what I was paid to do was detecting and correcting textual errors. Maybe it’s engraven upon my consciousness. 

😊Aint got no time for all these corrections.

[Bernard Gui]

On 10/23/2019 at 4:22 PM, mfbukowski said:

His Bishop for the ward, he signs his own for the stake.

Converse for the bishop 

Each signs their own, according to the organization 

I was a bishop both to a stake pres and a temple pres.

Pretty intimidating 

Don’t they put their pants on one leg at a time, just like us? 😁

[mfbukowski]

Just now, Bernard Gui said:

Don’t they put their pants on one leg at a time, just like us? 😁

Yeah.

I knew them pretty well actually but these "regular guys" were actually pretty special

 

 

[Bernard Gui]

On 10/24/2019 at 7:00 AM, SeekingUnderstanding said:

The idea of “improper” grammar on an informal message board is hilarious to me. It begs* the question, doesn’t Scott have anything better to do? It’s not like a single person misunderstood the meaning here. And if language clearly conveys meaning, what exactly is the problem? Is there a style guide for mormondialogue.org that I am unaware of?

 

*used “improperly” on purpose...

These individual idiosyncrasies we all have are what make this an interesting place.

Edited October 29, 2019 by Bernard Gui

[Bernard Gui]

1 minute ago, mfbukowski said:

Yeah.

I knew them pretty well actually but these "regular guys" were actually pretty special

 

 

Yes, there are some pretty special folks out there. I meant no disrespect.

[mfbukowski]

19 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

Yes, there are some pretty special folks out there. I meant no disrespect.

No, I never got that impression!

The point I was trying to get across is that when can be a "regular guy" and be quite special as well.

One does not need to be locked up in a monastery to become Christlike!

 

[mfbukowski]

On 10/25/2019 at 12:11 AM, Scott Lloyd said:

Alice? Alice? Who the heck is Alice?

 

I was talking about Alas who lives down the street not being lamentable 

 

[Scott Lloyd]

1 hour ago, mfbukowski said:

I was talking about Alas who lives down the street not being lamentable 

 

Got it. Your comment made me think about that Chris Norman/Smoky song from the ‘70s. Some listeners took to chanting “Alice? Alice? Who the heck is Alice?” during the chorus. 
 

Have I gotten so old that nobody gets my pop references anymore?

[mfbukowski]

52 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Got it. Your comment made me think about that Chris Norman/Smoky song from the ‘70s. Some listeners took to chanting “Alice? Alice? Who the heck is Alice?” during the chorus. 
 

Have I gotten so old that nobody gets my pop references anymore?

Oh trust me you ain't even old yet!

I was talking to my wife recently about what "pegged 14" meant in the song "Black Slacks".

For some reason this song really stuck with me from the time I heard it around the age of 10 and it is kind of a time capsule to another universe

https://genius.com/Joe-bennett-and-the-sparkletones-black-slacks-lyrics

Quote

(Joe Bennett-Jimmy Denton)
When I go places
I just don't care
You'd know why if you'd see what I wear
Black slacks pegged fourteen
Black slacks, really are keen
Black slacks make a cool daddy-o
When I put them on I'm a-rarin' to go
The girls all look when I go by
It's what I wear that makes them sigh
Black slacks, I wear a red bow-tie
Black slacks, they say "Me, Oh my"
Black slacks, with a cat-chain down to my knees
I ain't nothin' but a real cool breeze
Man you ought to see me with my derby on
I know that you would say, "He's gone"
Black slacks, mostly in the head
Black slacks, well that's what I said
Black slacks, I'm the cat's pajamas
Cause I run around with crazy little mamas
B-B-B-B-Black slacks ....
Black slacks make a cool daddy-o
When I put 'em on I'm a-rarin' to go

The odd thing was that my daughter served her mission in South Carolina and went to a member's house for dinner and they mentioned how grandpa was a rock star, so she took down his name and mentioned it in one of her letters.  It turns out that "grandpa" was Joe Bennett of the Sparkletones!   A household name across America!     It was just odd that she ran into the family of one of my earliest rock 'n roll idols.  Is that apostrophe in the right place?

https://www.mormonwiki.com/Joe_Bennett

 

 

It's pretty amazing how much pop culture changes in a mere 60 years.   

I really love the derby and bow-tie reference.  What a cool daddy-o! 

 

 

Edited October 29, 2019 by mfbukowski

[Stargazer]

On 10/24/2019 at 12:10 AM, Avatar4321 said:

Who interviews Him for His temple recommend?

This has been answered of course, but here's a wrinkle:

Long long time ago, I was being released as a branch president.  I was on my way out of Germany (end of my assignment and enlistment in the Army), and I had signed my recommend twice, once for myself and once as the branch president (making it the last TR recommend I signed as a branch president), as I hadn't yet been released. On the way to Frankfurt to board the plane back to the US, I stopped by the house of one of the stake president's counselors and he interviewed me for the recommend.  We got to chatting, and as I indicated that this was my last recommend signed by me in two places, he told me his story.  He was the bishop of his ward when he was called into the stake presidency.  He simultaneously needed to renew his recommend, so he signed his own recommend for himself and also as the bishop, because he hadn't yet been released as bishop. So at that time he could have legitimately signed in all three places!  But while it was legitimate, he said he felt better to have one of the other stake presidency members interview him for his recommend.

[ksfisher]

26 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

This has been answered of course, but here's a wrinkle:

Long long time ago, I was being released as a branch president.  I was on my way out of Germany (end of my assignment and enlistment in the Army), and I had signed my recommend twice, once for myself and once as the branch president (making it the last TR recommend I signed as a branch president), as I hadn't yet been released. On the way to Frankfurt to board the plane back to the US, I stopped by the house of one of the stake president's counselors and he interviewed me for the recommend.  We got to chatting, and as I indicated that this was my last recommend signed by me in two places, he told me his story.  He was the bishop of his ward when he was called into the stake presidency.  He simultaneously needed to renew his recommend, so he signed his own recommend for himself and also as the bishop, because he hadn't yet been released as bishop. So at that time he could have legitimately signed in all three places!  But while it was legitimate, he said he felt better to have one of the other stake presidency members interview him for his recommend.

A former stake president of mine related something similar, called as stake president while serving as bishop.  He asked the general authority who extended the stake president call what he should do and was told it was fine for him to sign all three lines.

Edited October 29, 2019 by ksfisher

[Stargazer]

On 10/24/2019 at 6:52 PM, MiserereNobis said:

You mean there wouldn't be some officious worker who would deny President Nelson entrance because he forgot his wallet?

No, wouldn't happen.  I am a temple worker and sometimes man the recommend desk. The other day a member from Ghana came in to attend the temple and he had left his recommend at home. I just called the Temple Recorder, and he verified the man's identity and using the computer system, verified that his recommend was current. So I let him in.  It took 10 minutes.  We don't want to exclude people who are entitled to be there.

On 10/24/2019 at 6:52 PM, MiserereNobis said:

I imagine some Catholic bishop somewhere not allowing the Pope to say Mass in his diocese because the Pope didn't bring his certificate of ordination (which some Bishops require of out-of-diocese priests, just to make sure): "I'm sorry, your holiness, but we are strict about the rules here..."

You think that would happen? 😄 

[Stargazer]

On 10/24/2019 at 7:40 PM, DispensatorMysteriorum said:

I am the bishop in our ward. I do not sign my own recommend. I have my counselor interview me just as he would anyone else in the ward who is renewing theirs. I am actually a little surprised to hear that some bishops or stake presidents sign their own recommend. 

 

Well, you could sign your own recommend; it's not required that you get one of your counselors to do it.  A bishop can get one of his counselors to interview and sign, but a branch president cannot, because his counselors don't have the authority to interview for T/Rs. So a branch president must sign his own recommend in two places.  Happened to me, long time ago, and for branch presidents it is still the rule.  And once upon a time (like in 1983, for instance), bishops counselors could not interview for T/Rs at all.  Bishops counselors interviewing current T/R holders is a recent phenomenon.

Edited October 29, 2019 by Stargazer

[Scott Lloyd]

On 10/24/2019 at 8:00 AM, SeekingUnderstanding said:

The idea of “improper” grammar on an informal message board is hilarious to me. It begs* the question, doesn’t Scott have anything better to do? It’s not like a single person misunderstood the meaning here. And if language clearly conveys meaning, what exactly is the problem? Is there a style guide for mormondialogue.org that I am unaware of?

 

*used “improperly” on purpose...

 

On 10/24/2019 at 9:58 AM, Scott Lloyd said:

So you decree that this is an “informal message board” and thus, mentioning English-language conventions is or should be off limits. It seems to me you are making your own rule, one that I find a tad too restrictive. 

 

On 10/24/2019 at 2:13 PM, SeekingUnderstanding said:

Not a rule. Just that I find it funny. Singular they and their is very accepted especially in the vernacular. Calling it a mistake is old fashioned. It's not like anyone is running around speaking Old English, Middle English or even EModE anymore and somehow we manage to get along just find. Somehow we manage without "whom" and "hither" and "thither." Such a shame we lost thee and thou while we are at it! Language changes and evolves. 

You seemed not so much amused as pissed off. 

[Scott Lloyd]

5 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

Oh trust me you ain't even old yet!

I was talking to my wife recently about what "pegged 14" meant in the song "Black Slacks".

For some reason this song really stuck with me from the time I heard it around the age of 10 and it is kind of a time capsule to another universe

https://genius.com/Joe-bennett-and-the-sparkletones-black-slacks-lyrics

The odd thing was that my daughter served her mission in South Carolina and went to a member's house for dinner and they mentioned how grandpa was a rock star, so she took down his name and mentioned it in one of her letters.  It turns out that "grandpa" was Joe Bennett of the Sparkletones!   A household name across America!     It was just odd that she ran into the family of one of my earliest rock 'n roll idols.  Is that apostrophe in the right place?

https://www.mormonwiki.com/Joe_Bennett

 

 

It's pretty amazing how much pop culture changes in a mere 60 years.   

I really love the derby and bow-tie reference.  What a cool daddy-o! 

 

 

Way cool. 
 

A friend of mine was mission president in Washington D.C. some years ago. While there, he knew a convert to the Church who had been a member of the Drifters. I don’t remember his name, but I know it wasn’t Clyde McPhatter or Ben E. King. 
 

Of course, the Drifters had such a changing lineup over the years they could field an alumni chorus the size of the Tabernacle Choir. 

Edited October 30, 2019 by Scott Lloyd

[SeekingUnderstanding]

1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said:

 

 

You seemed not so much amused as pissed off. 

Good to know you can read minds (note the use of the word hilarious)! So many talents...

Edited October 29, 2019 by SeekingUnderstanding