cdowis Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 One possible reason for the renewed emphasis on teaching in the home and the possible two hour block. Nobody wants to talk about it, but I'm going to, despite warnings from certain parties. The unpleasant possibility that in the near future ....... uhhhh.... [communication link suddenly lost]
cdowis Posted October 1, 2018 Author Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) ANNOUNCEMENT I assure you that Mr. Dowis is simply unavailable at this time. Do not be concerned, do not call the police. Edited October 1, 2018 by cdowis
MiserereNobis Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 Do I need to drink the acid-laced kool-aid in order to understand this thread? Or do I need to wear a tinfoil hat? I'm missing something, here... 4
ksfisher Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said: Do I need to drink the acid-laced kool-aid in order to understand this thread? Or do I need to wear a tinfoil hat? I'm missing something, here... I wonder if he isn't alluding to natural or man made disasters preventing people from going to church. My best guess. I don't see that as a reason for moving away form a three hour block now. Sufficient is the day to the evil thereof. 1
HappyJackWagon Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 If the end is really that near, why mess around with reducing the church block by 1 hour. I think there would be bigger things to worry about. Personally, I'm glad that possibility isn't being bandied about because it would strike me as fear mongering. Still, speculation is always fun 2
cdowis Posted October 1, 2018 Author Posted October 1, 2018 I am ok. I have a black and blue belt in karate. Anyway, a few years ago in several African countries there were civil wars and it was dangerous to go to meetings, and families held church services in their homes (no longer have source) I often look at youtube and there seems to be an increase in very negative videos on the church related, among other things, racism, sexual abuse, suicide, and former Bishops and members regularly posting antiMormon stuff. The ex Mormons are getting more aggressive and creating a tone which is increasingly strident. The name "Mormon" has a very negative connotation for some, so the emphasis on using the full name.
cinepro Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, cdowis said: I am ok. I have a black and blue belt in karate. Anyway, a few years ago in several African countries there were civil wars and it was dangerous to go to meetings, and families held church services in their homes (no longer have source) I often look at youtube and there seems to be an increase in very negative videos on the church related, among other things, racism, sexual abuse, suicide, and former Bishops and members regularly posting antiMormon stuff. The ex Mormons are getting more aggressive and creating a tone which is increasingly strident. The name "Mormon" has a very negative connotation for some, so the emphasis on using the full name. Maybe it's just me, but I would hope that if our leaders knew about something catastrophic coming, they would actually tell us. 1
HappyJackWagon Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, cinepro said: Maybe it's just me, but I would hope that if our leaders knew about something catastrophic coming, they would actually tell us. Me too. But I'm reminded of the story of one of the FLDS prophets declaring the date of the 2nd coming. It came and went. It came and went. It came and went. Each time the prophet had to come up with a reason why it didn't happen as was prophesied. Most often it was because the people weren't "ready". But I think they learned their lesson and no longer give such verifiable prophesies. I think our church leaders learned that lesson long ago. Keeping things vague saves a lot of face when things don't go as expected 2
provoman Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 32 minutes ago, cinepro said: Maybe it's just me, but I would hope that if our leaders knew about something catastrophic coming, they would actually tell us. For example?
Avatar4321 Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 51 minutes ago, cinepro said: Maybe it's just me, but I would hope that if our leaders knew about something catastrophic coming, they would actually tell us. Perhaps the Lord hasn’t given Them all the details
cdowis Posted October 1, 2018 Author Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, cinepro said: Maybe it's just me, but I would hope that if our leaders knew about something catastrophic coming, they would actually tell us. They have, but you have to hunt around for it. You can start here https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=president+benson+last+days+ http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/prophetic-quotes-on-americas-destiny Edited October 1, 2018 by cdowis
Guest Posted October 2, 2018 Posted October 2, 2018 6 hours ago, cinepro said: Maybe it's just me, but I would hope that if our leaders knew about something catastrophic coming, they would actually tell us. They have done so often in scripture and Church History, however the they have warned most about, is being worthy to receive revelation in the event that they cannot warn us. It is a recurring theme, one that will be repeated again. 1
Thinking Posted October 2, 2018 Posted October 2, 2018 8 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said: Keeping things vague saves a lot of face when things don't go as expected You might add keeping things conditional.
Avatar4321 Posted October 2, 2018 Posted October 2, 2018 It doesn't matter. We aren't getting a two hour block
carbon dioxide Posted October 2, 2018 Posted October 2, 2018 9 hours ago, cdowis said: I am ok. I have a black and blue belt in karate. Anyway, a few years ago in several African countries there were civil wars and it was dangerous to go to meetings, and families held church services in their homes (no longer have source) I often look at youtube and there seems to be an increase in very negative videos on the church related, among other things, racism, sexual abuse, suicide, and former Bishops and members regularly posting antiMormon stuff. The ex Mormons are getting more aggressive and creating a tone which is increasingly strident. The name "Mormon" has a very negative connotation for some, so the emphasis on using the full name. It does not take too many people to post stuff on Youtube to make it seem like things are that bad. The reality is we live in a world that is increasingly hostile to a lot of things. We will be a target but many other groups will be targets of intolerance and lies.
The Nehor Posted October 2, 2018 Posted October 2, 2018 12 hours ago, cinepro said: Maybe it's just me, but I would hope that if our leaders knew about something catastrophic coming, they would actually tell us. Where is the fun in that? 1
Tacenda Posted October 2, 2018 Posted October 2, 2018 8 hours ago, Avatar4321 said: It doesn't matter. We aren't getting a two hour block And if we do? What will you do/think? Just curious.
HappyJackWagon Posted October 2, 2018 Posted October 2, 2018 10 hours ago, Thinking said: You might add keeping things conditional. Wouldn't it be a proper role for a prophet, seer and revelator to make us aware of the conditions. Mass destruction etc will occur unless... Surely the Lord, God would do nothing without revealing his secrets to his servants, the prophets. I don't see much point for God revealing information to the prophets if they don't share that with the people.
mfbukowski Posted October 2, 2018 Posted October 2, 2018 KJV Matt 24 "36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. " 1
Bernard Gui Posted October 2, 2018 Posted October 2, 2018 20 hours ago, cinepro said: Maybe it's just me, but I would hope that if our leaders knew about something catastrophic coming, they would actually tell us. What do you think of this? https://www.lds.org/ensign/1979/02/a-more-determined-discipleship?lang=eng Quote If people, however, are not permitted to advocate, to assert, and to bring to bear, in every legitimate way, the opinions and views they hold which grow out of their religious convictions, what manner of men and women would we be? Our founding fathers did not wish to have a state church established nor to have a particular religion favored by government. They wanted religion to be free to make its own way. But neither did they intend to have irreligion made into a favored state church. Notice the terrible irony if this trend were to continue. When the secular church goes after its heretics, where are the sanctuaries? To what landfalls and Plymouth Rocks can future pilgrims go? If we let come into being a secular church which is shorn of traditional and divine values, where shall we go for inspiration in the crises of tomorrow? Can we appeal to the rightness of a specific regulation to sustain us in our hour of need? Will we be able to seek shelter under a First Amendment which by then may have been twisted to favor irreligion? Will we be able to rely for counterforce on value education aided in school systems which are increasingly secularized? And if our governments and schools were to fail us, would we be able to fall back upon and rely upon the institution of the family, when so many secular movements seek to shred it? It may well be that as our time comes to “suffer shame for his name”, some of that special stress will grow out of that portion of discipleship which involves citizenship. Remember, as Nephi and Jacob said, we must learn to endure “the crosses of the world” and yet to despise “the shame of it”. To go on clinging to the iron rod in spite of the mockery and scorn that flow at us from the multitudes in that great and spacious building seen by Father Lehi, which is the “pride of the world” —is to disregard the shame of the world. Parenthetically, why, really why, do the disbelievers who line that spacious building watch so intently what the believers are doing? Surely there must be other things for the scorners to do. Unless deep within their seeming disinterest… Unless.… If the challenge of the secular church becomes very real, let us, as in all other relationships, be principled but pleasant. Let us be perceptive without being pompous. Let us have integrity and not write checks with our tongues which our conduct cannot cash. Before the ultimate victory of the forces of righteousness, some skirmishes will be lost. Even in these, however, let us leave a record so that the choices are clear, letting others do as they will in the face of prophetic counsel. There will also be times, happily, when a minor defeat seems probable, but others will step forward, having been rallied to rightness by what we do. We will know the joy, on occasion, of having awakened a slumbering majority of the decent people of all races and creeds which was, till then, unconscious of itself. Jesus said that when the fig trees put forth their leaves, “summer is nigh”. Thus warned that summer is upon us, let us not then complain of the heat! Do you think we are facing the challenge of the secular church yet?
Bernard Gui Posted October 2, 2018 Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) 21 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said: Me too. But I'm reminded of the story of one of the FLDS prophets declaring the date of the 2nd coming. It came and went. It came and went. It came and went. Each time the prophet had to come up with a reason why it didn't happen as was prophesied. Most often it was because the people weren't "ready". But I think they learned their lesson and no longer give such verifiable prophesies. I think our church leaders learned that lesson long ago. Keeping things vague saves a lot of face when things don't go as expected I wonder what was going through the minds of the people of Zarahemla that night when the sun went down but it didn’t get dark. And then 34 years later that day when.... Quote ....there arose a great storm, such an one as never had been known in all the land. And there was also a great and terrible tempest; and there was terrible thunder, insomuch that it did shake the whole earth as if it was about to divide asunder. And there were exceedingly sharp lightnings, such as never had been known in all the land. And the city of Zarahemla did take fire. Soopriize, soopriize. Edited October 2, 2018 by Bernard Gui
Bernard Gui Posted October 2, 2018 Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said: Wouldn't it be a proper role for a prophet, seer and revelator to make us aware of the conditions. Mass destruction etc will occur unless... Surely the Lord, God would do nothing without revealing his secrets to his servants, the prophets. I don't see much point for God revealing information to the prophets if they don't share that with the people. Does this proclamation to the .....?.... fit your criteria? Quote We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets. Edited October 2, 2018 by Bernard Gui
mfbukowski Posted October 2, 2018 Posted October 2, 2018 33 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said: What do you think of this? https://www.lds.org/ensign/1979/02/a-more-determined-discipleship?lang=eng Do you think we are facing the challenge of the secular church yet? Do we want converts? Then we had better at least face secularism and deal with it or we will end up Amish if we are not already. We need at least a reasonable case and a reasonable dialogue with secularists IF we want to progress as a church. If we want to hunker down then it becomes an issue for the survivalists. Head for the bunkers, because it ain't gonna be pretty. 1
mfbukowski Posted October 2, 2018 Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said: Wouldn't it be a proper role for a prophet, seer and revelator to make us aware of the conditions. Mass destruction etc will occur unless... Surely the Lord, God would do nothing without revealing his secrets to his servants, the prophets. I don't see much point for God revealing information to the prophets if they don't share that with the people. Surely God does nothing unless he reveals it to the prophets, yet no man knows the day or hour. A scriptural conflict? <yawn> Every generation since the ascension of Christ has thought "THIS IS IT!" because "this generation shall not pass away before the coming of the son of man". I'm not quite ready to head for the Hills, though I could. Oh wait. You guys already live there. Edited October 2, 2018 by mfbukowski 1
Avatar4321 Posted October 2, 2018 Posted October 2, 2018 4 hours ago, Tacenda said: And if we do? What will you do/think? Just curious. I will think we just wasted a bunch of resources on a new Sunday school program for next year and I’ll be disappointed
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