Doctrine 612 Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 Tonight I was talking in the hall at church and one of the high council members told me that the elders quorum President is going to get more responsibilities. example: ward mission leader ? thats all he said and tried to show me a diagram of some sort but was unable to. have any others heard of this?
Bernard Gui Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 Maybe like the old Melchizedek Priesthood quorum committees we used to have? Eastern or Wesrern Washington?
The Nehor Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 Do you mean the Ward Mission Leader will report to them or they will function as Ward Mission Leader? If the latter that is heaping a lot on one person. If done right the Ward Mission Leader has daily responsibilities and probably puts in at least 4-6 hours a week in time in the field. 2
Avatar4321 Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 Elders quorum President should have more responsibilities naturally. He has the keys of the melchesidek priesthood in the ward 1
Hamba Tuhan Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, The Nehor said: If done right the Ward Mission Leader has daily responsibilities and probably puts in at least 4-6 hours a week in time in the field. When I was released from the bishopric and called as WML, I was told by our area president that the two callings would require equal amounts of time, and they certainly did. The bishop, by the way, holds the keys to missionary work in the ward. Edited September 10, 2018 by Hamba Tuhan 3
Duncan Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 that would be fine by me, ours WML doesn't do much if anything anyways and I feel bad for the missionaries
mfbukowski Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Avatar4321 said: Elders quorum President should have more responsibilities naturally. He has the keys of the melchesidek priesthood in the ward ...under direction of the bishop. 2
Popular Post ksfisher Posted September 10, 2018 Popular Post Posted September 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Avatar4321 said: He has the keys of the melchesidek priesthood in the ward The elders quorum president has the keys to direct the work of the elders quorum in the ward. The bishop is still the presiding high priest. 5
The Nehor Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, ksfisher said: The elders quorum president has the keys to direct the work of the elders quorum in the ward. The bishop is still the presiding high priest. In an org chart the Elders Quorum President reports to the Bishop and has a dotted line to the Stake President.
bluebell Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: In an org chart the Elders Quorum President reports to the Bishop and has a dotted line to the Stake President. What does that mean? What does a dotted line represent on the chart?
rongo Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, bluebell said: What does that mean? What does a dotted line represent on the chart? He answers to and is under the authority of the stake president. But the bishop also presides over the ward (presiding high priest), so there is some overlap and redundancy of authority and chain of command. The EQP has PPIs with the stake president, just like the bishop. 3
Guest Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 12 hours ago, Doctrine 612 said: Tonight I was talking in the hall at church and one of the high council members told me that the elders quorum President is going to get more responsibilities. example: ward mission leader ? thats all he said and tried to show me a diagram of some sort but was unable to. have any others heard of this? I hope this is not another new Church policy. First they go from dealing with half of the Priesthood holders, to presiding over all. Then from maybe half of the members, to every family in the entire Ward. This is just too much. Especially for our Elders Quorum President he is very young, with very young children, and never even served as a quorum president, or a group leader, prior to the change. Each week you can see, and he has said, that he is being crushed. 1
Bob Crockett Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 One of my ancestors was the first Bishop of the Payson ward, where he served for 25 years. Every 5 years or so there would be called a new "Priesthood President." The Bishop was the Church's local agent, handled tithes and the property. The Priesthood President ran ward meetings.
ksfisher Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Bill "Papa" Lee said: I hope this is not another new Church policy. It's not. Edited September 10, 2018 by ksfisher 2
Avatar4321 Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 11 hours ago, mfbukowski said: ...under direction of the bishop. I never suggested otherwise
SouthernMo Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Bob Crockett said: One of my ancestors was the first Bishop of the Payson ward, where he served for 25 years. Every 5 years or so there would be called a new "Priesthood President." The Bishop was the Church's local agent, handled tithes and the property. The Priesthood President ran ward meetings. True. Bishops overseeing spiritual matters only became policy in 1913, and even since then there was a gradual increase. For the first 70ish years of the church, bishop’s charge was solely temporal.
mfbukowski Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 43 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said: I never suggested otherwise I know- just clarifying. People who do not know that do read this stuff. 1
mfbukowski Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, bluebell said: What does that mean? What does a dotted line represent on the chart? His primary leader is the Bishop but the Bishop's "boss" is the SP All Melch. Priesthood callings are formally approved by the Stake- they have to be approved by the High Council etc- and sometimes they are not approved and the Bishop has to go back to plan B and re-submit another name. But 90 % of the time its kind of a rubber stamp thing. Remember this is all done before the person is called so there might be circumstances that someone knows about that the bishop may have missed. It's not like a worthiness thing necessarily- some member of the HC may know something about the extended family that is semi-confidential that others don't know about We recently had a situation where a leader's brother was assassinated by drug dealers in Mexico and the stress on the family- between the funeral and the legal investigations etc were just too much to take, but the leader was the strong silent type and did not complain to his leadership. It was brought up in High council by someone from another ward who knew the family, an interview was given and the leader in charge of the situation decided a release was appropriate instead of a new calling- until the brother and his family have been able to deal with the tragedy. I have seen times where a brother will accept a calling despite say, a cancer diagnosis, or a heart problem, out of a sense of duty even though the extra stress might be adverse to his health. In such a case a new calling might not be appropriate. So ultimately that is the dotted line. The bishop may not even know things someone else does because of connections to other wards and so leaders from the whole stake are polled for their opinion. Edited September 11, 2018 by mfbukowski 1
strappinglad Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 New Elder's Quorum Presidents should follow the advice given to Moses. ... delegate.... plus the other command... do not run faster than you are able. 2
bluebell Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 10 hours ago, mfbukowski said: His primary leader is the Bishop but the Bishop's "boss" is the SP I always assumed this was true very every calling in the ward and not just the EQP, though.
rongo Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, bluebell said: I always assumed this was true very every calling in the ward and not just the EQP, though. Bishop Burton clarified this in a Q&A at our stake conference (my question). I loved his answer: the EQP holds keys, and that actually means something. He can call and set apart his own secretary and teachers *without* consulting with the bishop first (per Burton). Naturally, he will usually consult with the bishopric, but he doesn't have to. The bishop holds an Aaronic priesthood office, but the EQP's keys are delegated through the Melchizedek priesthood through the stake president, and the stake president is the actual person over the Elders quorums (even though there is overlap because bishops are presiding high priests in the absence of direct descendants of Aaron). So, there is an important distinction between an EQP and every other calling in the ward. The two other key-holders (DQP and TQP) are under the authority of the bishop in the Aaronic priesthood. Edited September 11, 2018 by rongo 3
Avatar4321 Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 11 hours ago, mfbukowski said: I know- just clarifying. People who do not know that do read this stuff. I’m clarifying too;)
ksfisher Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, rongo said: He can call and set apart his own secretary and teachers *without* consulting with the bishop first (per Burton). I wonder if Bishop Burton misspoke here or there was some misunderstanding. Per the handbook these callings do need to be cleared by the bishop. "The elders quorum president...oversee the calling of quorum...secretaries and instructors. The bishop’s approval is required before brethren may be called to these positions." Aside from worthiness issues that only the bishop would be aware of, you wouldn't want the elders quorum president extending a call to a secretary or teacher at the same time that the bishop was extending a call to the same person to serve in the young mens organization. Not speaking specifically about callings, but still applicable "...my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God." (D&C 132:18) Havng the elders quorum president and the bishop both have the authority to call the same person to conflicting callings would seem to be the opposite of a "house of order." ****Please ignore the strikethourghs. I can't seem to get rid of it. I didn't select it and I can't seem to unselect it. I've tried putting my entire post into Word, getting rid of the strikethrough, and then pasting it back into my post, but the strikethrough reappears as soon as I save. Edited September 11, 2018 by ksfisher
mfbukowski Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, rongo said: Bishop Burton clarified this in a Q&A at our stake conference (my question). I loved his answer: the EQP holds keys, and that actually means something. He can call and set apart his own secretary and teachers *without* consulting with the bishop first (per Burton). Naturally, he will usually consult with the bishopric, but he doesn't have to. The bishop holds an Aaronic priesthood office, but the EQP's keys are delegated through the Melchizedek priesthood through the stake president, and the stake president is the actual person over the Elders quorums (even though there is overlap because bishops are presiding high priests in the absence of direct descendants of Aaron). So, there is an important distinction between an EQP and every other calling in the ward. The two other key-holders (DQP and TQP) are under the authority of the bishop in the Aaronic priesthood. But the counselors need Stake approval of course. But of course you are right about the teachers and secretary. But that is the same in Relief Society isn't it? The line between Consulting the bishop first and getting the Bishops approval is a pretty fine one I think. The reality of even calling Elders Quorum counselors is that the president tells the bishop who he likes the Bishop approves it and then it is sent on to the stake. In the case of teachers and secretaries the elders Quorum president tells the bishop who he'd like , the bishop approves it and it's not send on to the stake. Edited September 11, 2018 by mfbukowski
Bob Crockett Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 15 hours ago, SouthernMo said: True. Bishops overseeing spiritual matters only became policy in 1913, and even since then there was a gradual increase. For the first 70ish years of the church, bishop’s charge was solely temporal. I question this. I've read Arrington's bio of Bishop Edwin Wooley in Salt Lake during Brigham Young's days. He seemed to have authority over his ward that questioned Brigham Young's.
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