jkwilliams Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 1 minute ago, rongo said: Not shifty. Just flaky and tacky . . . In my defense, I married a lovely Idahoan.
Duncan Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 27 minutes ago, jkwilliams said: In my defense, I married a lovely Idahoan. When I was in the MTC I went to the Temple with my district and while there one of our group ran into this guy from his ward. He asked us where we were going on our missions and we said "California" and he said, well, you know what they say about California? it's like a bowl of cereal, once you get through the fruits and nuts all you have left is a bunch of flakes
Scott Lloyd Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Amulek said: Nope. As much as I would like to be legendary, it's absolutely a true story. Happened about six years ago. I looked up tiramisu online. It’s not just coffee that makes it problematic.
ttribe Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 4 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: This sounds like an urban legend. He just said he was the one involved in the story. Calling him a liar?
The Nehor Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 30 minutes ago, ttribe said: He just said he was the one involved in the story. Calling him a liar? Why are people supposed to be intimidated by the “You calling me a liar” question as if their honor is at stake? Lots of people are liars and those who do that are often liars. I do not believe that is the case in this instance but usually when people ask that the correct answer is “yes”.
Amulek Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: I looked up tiramisu online. It’s not just coffee that makes it problematic. I'm aware. Unfortunately, so was the sister who was giving me the what's what. 2 hours ago, ttribe said: He just said he was the one involved in the story. Calling him a liar? Oh, I think the story definitely has a bit of a folklore vibe to it. If it hadn't happened to me, I might very well think the same thing, so I don't take any offense at someone questioning whether or not it's a true story. Edited March 30, 2018 by Amulek 1
Scott Lloyd Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, ttribe said: He just said he was the one involved in the story. Calling him a liar? To do that, I would have to know for a fact that the account was fictional — which I don’t. I was merely expressing that the story, for me, bears some of the characteristics of urban legends I’ve heard. To his credit, Amulek displayed greater understanding — and civility — than you. Edited to add: If the story had not been true, well, this wouldn’t have been the first time someone on this board gave a fictional account for rhetorical or other effect without identifying it as fiction. Edited March 30, 2018 by Scott Lloyd
Calm Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Why are people supposed to be intimidated by the “You calling me a liar” question as if their honor is at stake? Lots of people are liars and those who do that are often liars. I do not believe that is the case in this instance but usually when people ask that the correct answer is “yes”. Calling someone a liar on the board can get you banned. That might make people more careful. Edited March 30, 2018 by Calm
The Nehor Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 12 minutes ago, Calm said: Calling someone a liar on the board can get you banned. That might make people more careful. Only if you question their sincerity. But if you believe they are sincerely lying.....
jkwilliams Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 9 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: I looked up tiramisu online. It’s not just coffee that makes it problematic. By "problematic," I think you mean "delicious." There's an Italian restaurant in Provo that serves "Mormon Tiramisu" without the "problematic" ingredients. It's not bad.
Storm Rider Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 For several years I did not know all the ingredients - absolutely loved eating Tiramisu. I really enjoyed years of ignorance. 1
Gray Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 12 hours ago, The Nehor said: After someone in my area was recently excommunicated for trigamy and it just did not seem odd I am beginning to suspect I might just be jaded. The numbers do not surprise me. Trigamy?
Gray Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 11 hours ago, rongo said: Not shifty. Just flaky and tacky . . . Bad drivers, too
jkwilliams Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Storm Rider said: For several years I did not know all the ingredients - absolutely loved eating Tiramisu. I really enjoyed years of ignorance. Maybe my family is weird, but my parents were never all that concerned about ingredients. My father is an avid gardener, and he grows a lot of tomatoes. He cans a lot of spaghetti sauce every year, and the recipe he follows uses wine. When we bought our first home, we planted a garden, and we made a lot of spaghetti sauce. My wife wanted to use my Dad's recipe, but she balked at the wine, so we substituted some of our home-canned grape juice for a small batch. It wasn't very good, so we drove down to the state liquor store and picked up some wine. Maybe I was sowing the seeds of my own apostasy.
jkwilliams Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gray said: Bad drivers, too Not as bad as Utah drivers. So glad I don't have to deal with that anymore. 1
Storm Rider Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 34 minutes ago, jkwilliams said: Maybe my family is weird, but my parents were never all that concerned about ingredients. My father is an avid gardener, and he grows a lot of tomatoes. He cans a lot of spaghetti sauce every year, and the recipe he follows uses wine. When we bought our first home, we planted a garden, and we made a lot of spaghetti sauce. My wife wanted to use my Dad's recipe, but she balked at the wine, so we substituted some of our home-canned grape juice for a small batch. It wasn't very good, so we drove down to the state liquor store and picked up some wine. Maybe I was sowing the seeds of my own apostasy. lol - in cooking I am not opposed to it. For me the entire question revolves around our belief in revelation - it is bedrock/fundamental to our belief system. If I ever had the opportunity to bend an apostles or the prophets ear it would be never, ever create a policy that affects of the salvation of God's children without a direct revelation, as in "...thus saith the Lord". If you don't have that caliber of revelation then hold your tongue and know that it is God's church. If there is anything that I am prepared to overlook, or not even discuss, when it comes to worthiness, righteousness, and holiness it is the WofW. 1
will227457 Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: I looked up tiramisu online. It’s not just coffee that makes it problematic. Your joking right? 1/2 cup brandy or cognac spread out through the entire dish diluted by the 5 and a half cups of coffee which all isn't even used. The lady fingers are just dipped in it not soaked. I guess no veal marsala for you, better ask your waiter next time you go to olive garden (gross) if red wine was used in the making of the sauce for your spaghetti. Edited March 30, 2018 by will227457
jkwilliams Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 25 minutes ago, Storm Rider said: lol - in cooking I am not opposed to it. For me the entire question revolves around our belief in revelation - it is bedrock/fundamental to our belief system. If I ever had the opportunity to bend an apostles or the prophets ear it would be never, ever create a policy that affects of the salvation of God's children without a direct revelation, as in "...thus saith the Lord". If you don't have that caliber of revelation then hold your tongue and know that it is God's church. If there is anything that I am prepared to overlook, or not even discuss, when it comes to worthiness, righteousness, and holiness it is the WofW. Agreed. I've always been of the school that says we shouldn't have to be commanded in every little detail. I've known people who are way over the top on the letter of the law as far as the Word of Wisdom goes. What I find really odd is that some people who act as if coffee ice cream is poison will eat burgers and fries like they're going out of style. The way I read Section 89, it's about being wise and taking care of your body. Getting hung up on the particulars can distract people from that basic teaching. 1
Jeanne Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 2 hours ago, jkwilliams said: Not as bad as Utah drivers. So glad I don't have to deal with that anymore. I am still in Utah...but hey...if they would just use their &^&*(*&& blinkers..we could save some lives!
Kenngo1969 Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 3 hours ago, jkwilliams said: By "problematic," I think you mean "delicious." There's an Italian restaurant in Provo that serves "Mormon Tiramisu" without the "problematic" ingredients. It's not bad. Do you know which one? I'd like to try that.
jkwilliams Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 Just now, Kenngo1969 said: Do you know which one? I'd like to try that. Gloria's Little Italy downtown
Maestrophil Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 If we could get an honest surgery, there are likely a lot of actions that active members take that would be surprising to us. We are all sinners after all. WOW seems like such a funny one to flake out on though, because it seems so simple to keep. Unless you truly get addicted to something, it appears to me people break the WOW simply because they want to partake. It seems like a blatant disobedience to me - mores than making a mistake or one time transgression.
The Nehor Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Gray said: Trigamy? He was married to three women. Not sure if it is a word but it seemed to fit.
Amulek Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, will227457 said: 13 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: I looked up tiramisu online. It’s not just coffee that makes it problematic. Your joking right? I don't think he's joking, but I don't think he's being judgmental either. When it comes to coffee and alcohol as standalone drinks, pretty much everyone agrees that abstinence is what the word of wisdom calls for. When it comes to using coffee and alcohol in baking / cooking, however, you start to get a little more divergence. Individual members are going to draw lines for themselves, and they may not always be the same. I would say that, as a general rule, most members I have interacted with over the years don't seem to give too much worry about dishes made with alcohol so long as there is sufficient opportunity for the alcohol to 'cook off.' So, a half cup of wine cooked into a red sauce, spread throughout an entire pan of lasagna, which is then baked for an additional period of time may not be an issue. Whereas that same amount of alcohol mixed into a custard with berries might not be considered acceptable. Or maybe you just have a hard time ordering a menu item which says it is prepared with a Vodka sauce, regardless of how much alcohol might be present by the time it finishes cooking. It really just depends. For me, I try not to be too judgmental about the choices other people make, and I try to remain open to the idea that my own choices might very well have room for improvement. Quote [Better] ask your waiter next time you go to olive garden (gross) if red wine was used in the making of the sauce for your spaghetti. I seem to remember looking up sauce ingredients at Olive Garden not too long ago (maybe within the last year or so), and I'm pretty sure that the overwhelming majority of their sauces are no longer prepared with alcohol. I was curious because we were going there for a team lunch at work, and one of the girls on my team was an observant Muslim; she was opposed to eating food that was prepared with any alcohol at all. I'm opposed to eating pretty much anything at Olive Garden as well, but it isn't because of the presence (or lack of) alcohol in their sauces. Edited March 30, 2018 by Amulek 2
phaedrus ut Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 I remember reading how coffee was served and and enjoyed by BYU students during the early 20th century. My Mormon grandparents grew up in that same generation can casually drank a glass of wine with dinner every night and had coffee every morning with breakfast. Their attitudes were the rule not the exception among Mormons in their area. Gramps had pictures of him and Willard Marriott drinking beer together in their youth. I always got the impression they felt like they were grandfathered into the old rules because they were around before the strict enforcement of the WoW began under Heber J. Grant. One think that has always had me wondering. It's often said in places like this that the Standard Works are the ultimate authority on LDS Doctrine because they are canonized. D&C 89 explicitly says it's not a commandment yet there is a policy that somehow supersedes this canonized revelation. Doesn't this actually put church policy above revelation in order of importance? Phaedrus 1
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