An open letter to the First Presidency of the LDS Church

[Calm]

45 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Perhaps the thread had been closed. 

No, it happens to me on occasion too.  My older iPad does it frequently, though lately it has been behaving better...wondering if an upgrade got snuck in.

Edited April 15, 2018 by Calm

[Atheist Mormon]

4 hours ago, Jeanne said:

From policies that did nothing but hurt people...and many other things.  This post of mine was old further back in the thread.  But no worries..the church, authority, does not apologize.

[ALarson]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

No, it happens to me on occasion too.  My older iPad does it frequently, though lately it has been behaving better...wondering if an upgrade got snuck in.

Yeah....weird.  I can edit my very first post on here (the OP) if I'm on my computer.  But, if I log in on my iphone, there is no edit button showing (only the quote option).  

Edited April 16, 2018 by ALarson

[Rain]

8 hours ago, Tacenda said:

I find that I make the mistake of putting the wrong, their/they're/there, even when I know all the rules about them, but to others they probably think I'm an idiot. I'm forever editing myself, and seldom will you see a post without my having edited.

I've had the same problem.  Drives me crazy sometimes. I've wondered if anyone has ever looked into it to see what causes it. Often times it is not even a grammar or spelling error that I have to think about. It is a problem with a rule that I know clearly and instantly.

7 hours ago, JulieM said:

When I go to those posts, there’s no longer an “edit” option.  Maybe after a certain time, you can no longer edit a post?

ETA:

Just tried again and there is no edit link, only a quote one now.  (I’m just on my phone and will see if it’s the same on my computer later, but I can edit this post just not those from months ago.)

I've had the same problem here too. I've never caught what is different in times I can edit from times I can't.  

[Scott Lloyd]

10 minutes ago, Rain said:

I've had the same problem.  Drives me crazy sometimes. I've wondered if anyone has ever looked into it to see what causes it. Often times it is not even a grammar or spelling error that I have to think about. It is a problem with a rule that I know clearly and instantly.

 

I don't think such a thing is all that uncommon. For me, it is a matter of my rapidly writing out the monologue I am hearing in my head as I type. Add to that the fact that I get over-eager to hit the "submit" button before reading over what I have written and, well, that's why so many of my posts end up with an "edited by" stamp on them. I need to train myself to self-edit initially.

[why me]

6 hours ago, ttribe said:

So if "some policies will always hurt people" (emphasis added), there's no reason to reassess the policy as long as the claim is made that the policy is from God?

If we go back in time, most christian churches were against ssm and other related gay or lesbian issues. There was a clear demarcation about what clarified as sin. Not just in the gay lifestyle but in other lifestyle choices also. Living together was a no-no, as an example. But with time, much has been watered down. The idea that a religion should not 'hurt' people because god is love seems to be the relativist moral code that many embrace. 

The lds church is swimming up stream these days as many other christian chruches choose to reverse decisions they once held. However, islam seems to be a very conservative religion, which embraces their holy book without criticism. God's word is god's word and nothing should be changed. And this attitude seems just fine with many western moral relativists, especially when it comes to islamism which is on the accent in the west. Why the contradiction?

Edited April 16, 2018 by why me

[ttribe]

12 hours ago, why me said:

If we go back in time, most christian churches were against ssm and other related gay or lesbian issues. There was a clear demarcation about what clarified as sin. Not just in the gay lifestyle but in other lifestyle choices also. Living together was a no-no, as an example. But with time, much has been watered down. The idea that a religion should not 'hurt' people because god is love seems to be the relativist moral code that many embrace. 

The lds church is swimming up stream these days as many other christian chruches choose to reverse decisions they once held. However, islam seems to be a very conservative religion, which embraces their holy book without criticism. God's word is god's word and nothing should be changed. And this attitude seems just fine with many western moral relativists, especially when it comes to islamism which is on the accent in the west. Why the contradiction?

You didn't answer my question.  If you go back, you'll see I said nothing about any specific policy.  Yours was a general statement that some policies always hurt people but that, if it's from God, it's okay.  I asked - should a hurtful policy not be reassessed simply because someone claims the policy is from God?  In other words, is that the "get of jail free card" for policy making?

[JulieM]

18 hours ago, Rain said:

I've had the same problem.  Drives me crazy sometimes. I've wondered if anyone has ever looked into it to see what causes it. Often times it is not even a grammar or spelling error that I have to think about. It is a problem with a rule that I know clearly and instantly.

I've had the same problem here too. I've never caught what is different in times I can edit from times I can't.  

Glad to hear it’s just not my problem!  

Sounds like a few others experience the same thing.  I’ve actually never tried to edit a post that is a few months old though (and quite honestly I’m not too concerned about it ).

[Scott Lloyd]

4 hours ago, JulieM said:

Glad to hear it’s just not my problem!  

Sounds like a few others experience the same thing.  I’ve actually never tried to edit a post that is a few months old though (and quite honestly I’m not too concerned about it ).

Glad to hear it. Maybe you could help A Larson calm down. He is awfully spun up about my having mentioned it. 

Edited April 17, 2018 by Scott Lloyd

[Calm]

For editing, try renewing the page if you get the too late to edit comment.  It just worked for me on another topic for my IMac.  It sometimes works, now I remember it, for my newer iPad.  Be sure and copy what you wanted to edit if you haven't lost it yet, because renewing it will cause it to be lost for sure.

Edited April 17, 2018 by Calm

[Meerkat]

On 4/15/2018 at 11:44 AM, Tacenda said:

I'm forever editing myself, and seldom will you see a post without my having edited.

Word!!! 😎

Edited April 17, 2018 by Meerkat

[Meerkat]

On 4/15/2018 at 1:30 PM, ksfisher said:

The ability to edit your own post on an open thread goes away after about a day.

I thought they took away the edit to prevent changing the content after getting a few reps on the board.    I probably should have saved that one for Conspiracy Friday.

Edited April 17, 2018 by Meerkat

[Tacenda]

50 minutes ago, Meerkat said:

Word!!! 😎

Yeah, what about Word? Do you mean Word Perfect?

[Rain]

36 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Yeah, what about Word? Do you mean Word Perfect?

Love Word Perfect!

[Tacenda]

7 hours ago, Rain said:

Love Word Perfect!

This is how inept I can be, I have a laptop called Acer Chrome, it's a cheaper model but is seriously my favorite. I no longer sit at a desk at my computer like I use to, so I don't know how Word Perfect works with a Chrome. I'll check it out. 

[Rain]

58 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

This is how inept I can be, I have a laptop called Acer Chrome, it's a cheaper model but is seriously my favorite. I no longer sit at a desk at my computer like I use to, so I don't know how Word Perfect works with a Chrome. I'll check it out. 

Word Perfect is word processing software like word is. It's function is not to work with Chrome though there could be some things they work together on. I just thought when you said that you were one of the rare ones with me that prefer wordperfect to word.

[rongo]

4 minutes ago, Rain said:

Word Perfect is word processing software like word is. It's function is not to work with Chrome though there could be some things they work together on. I just thought when you said that you were one of the rare ones with me that prefer wordperfect to word.

<sniff, sniff>

Everyone thinks I'm crazy, but I loved Word Perfect and Windows Millennium Edition. Loved them! Of course, my computer needs are simply basic internet, email, and word processing (no games or Skyping or anything like that). Maybe if I were more "normal" with my computer usage I would hate the old Windows products, too. I can't stand the newer and newer Windows stuff. 

I have an issue with Word that drives me nuts! When I type fast, the page view keeps shrinking and shrinking, and I have to go back constantly and reset it to 125%. But then, as I type fast, it just keeps shrinking and shrinking. It's really annoying. 

That never happened with Word Perfect!  

[Scott Lloyd]

11 hours ago, Meerkat said:

I thought they took away the edit to prevent changing the content after getting a few reps on the board.    I probably should have saved that one for Conspiracy Friday.

No. I'm able to edit my posts after they have received rep points -- unless the thread has been closed, that is.

Edited April 17, 2018 by Scott Lloyd

[california boy]

An interesting new study that relates to this thread.  FYI

 

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Notably, the study authors found that religion may have acted as a protective factor against suicide attempts among heterosexual youth. Each increase in the level of importance of religion among straight youth was associated with a 17 percent reduction in recent suicide attempts.  

On the other hand, for lesbian and gay youth, increasing levels of religious importance were associated with increased odds of recent suicidal ideation. In fact, lesbian and gay youth who said that religion was important to them were 38 percent more likely to have had recent suicidal thoughts, compared to lesbian and gay youth who reported religion was less important. Religiosity among lesbians alone was linked to a 52 percent increased chance of recent suicidal ideation.

 

 

[Jeanne]

3 hours ago, california boy said:

An interesting new study that relates to this thread.  FYI

 

 

This was very interesting CB...thank you!

[kllindley]

5 hours ago, california boy said:

An interesting new study that relates to this thread.  FYI

 

 

Do you find it at all interesting that they are comparing suicide attempts in heterosexual youth, but suicidal ideation in homosexual youth? Isn't that the very epitome of apples and oranges?

[california boy]

3 minutes ago, kllindley said:

Do you find it at all interesting that they are comparing suicide attempts in heterosexual youth, but suicidal ideation in homosexual youth? Isn't that the very epitome of apples and oranges?

This is a direct comparison between the two

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In fact, lesbian and gay youth who said that religion was important to them were 38 percent more likely to have had recent suicidal thoughts, compared to lesbian and gay youth who reported religion was less important

also this

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Analyzing this data, the research team found that while 3.7 percent of heterosexual young adults reported recent thoughts of suicide, the percentages were significantly higher among queer youth. Those questioning their sexuality had the highest rate of recent thoughts about suicide at 16.4 percent, followed by bisexual individuals (11.4 percent) and lesbian or gay individuals (6.5 percent). 

 

 

 

The study shows a clear relationship between suicide and strong religious belief.  

[kllindley]

53 minutes ago, california boy said:

This is a direct comparison between the two

also this

 

 

 

The study shows a clear relationship between suicide and strong religious belief.  

Thank you for the additional information. What the research shows is that a relationship between suicidal thoughts and strong religious belief. And that relationship depends significantly on a third factor, one's LGBTQ status. 

ETA: The actual study is interesting. The HuffPost write up, decidedly less so. I had thought these quotes were from the paper itself. 

Edited April 20, 2018 by kllindley

[california boy]

10 hours ago, kllindley said:

Thank you for the additional information. What the research shows is that a relationship between suicidal thoughts and strong religious belief. And that relationship depends significantly on a third factor, one's LGBTQ status. 

ETA: The actual study is interesting. The HuffPost write up, decidedly less so. I had thought these quotes were from the paper itself. 

I agree that the study is quite interesting and a much better document to read to get a more complete understanding of their findings.  The statistics the HuffPost quoted are directly from the study.

[CMZ]

Maybe the Church should start doing everything the world says to do. What's taking them so long? Then the purpose of the Church after that could be to just serve refreshments.