Choir Member Will Sing at Inauguration

[Bernard Gui]

A choir member takes a principaled, positive, and moral stand to explain why she will sing at the inauguration, citing the example of Black American vocalist Marian Anderson.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865670560/Mormon-Tabernacle-Choir-member-explains-in-Facebook-video-why-she-will-sing-at-Trump-inauguration.html?s_cid=Email-4

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“What I’m trying to do as a person is to be like Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ associated with prostitutes and liars and thieves and while he did not endorse what they were doing, he still didn’t hold his mission from them," Brazao said. "And my mission is one of love, peace and hope and I want to share that with others, even in the face of ridicule because that’s what Jesus Christ did.”

Jesus even dined with sinners and Republicans!

Let's not rehash the issue of the sister who refuses to perform, but some comments on this sister's thoughts might be appropriate.

Edited January 7, 2017 by Bernard Gui

[Bobbieaware]

16 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

A choir member takes a principaled, positive, and moral stand to explain why she will sing at the inauguration, citing the example of Black American vocalist Marian Anderson.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865670560/Mormon-Tabernacle-Choir-member-explains-in-Facebook-video-why-she-will-sing-at-Trump-inauguration.html?s_cid=Email-4

Jesus even dined with sinners and Republicans!

Let's not rehash the issue of the sister who refuses to perform, but some comments on this sister's thoughts might be appropriate.

At first I thought Jan Chamberlain had changed her mind.

[JAHS]

9 minutes ago, Bobbieaware said:

At first I thought Jan Chamberlain had changed her mind.

Click bait. ;-)

 

[Jeanne]

11 minutes ago, Bobbieaware said:

At first I thought Jan Chamberlain had changed her mind.

Me too...I do love the above comments though.

[JAHS]

28 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

A choir member takes a principaled, positive, and moral stand to explain why she will sing at the inauguration, citing the example of Black American vocalist Marian Anderson.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865670560/Mormon-Tabernacle-Choir-member-explains-in-Facebook-video-why-she-will-sing-at-Trump-inauguration.html?s_cid=Email-4

Jesus even dined with sinners and Republicans!

Let's not rehash the issue of the sister who refuses to perform, but some comments on this sister's thoughts might be appropriate.

This kind of reasoning might help those who don't feel good about going to sing because of their opinion about the man Trump. But to label him a sinner might be considered a judgmental attitude to have. ("judge not that ye be not judged")

The safer and most reasonable reason to go is that which was voiced by the church spokesperson.

[The Nehor]

11 minutes ago, JAHS said:

This kind of reasoning might help those who don't feel good about going to sing because of their opinion about the man Trump. But to label him a sinner might be considered a judgmental attitude to have. ("judge not that ye be not judged")

The safer and most reasonable reason to go is that which was voiced by the church spokesperson.

I am pretty sure the way he bragged about his playboy past that suggesting he is a sinner is stating a fact and not making a judgement call.

[Duncan]

Just now, The Nehor said:

I am pretty sure the way he bragged about his playboy past that suggesting he is a sinner is stating a fact and not making a judgement call.

Utah declared porn a "public health crisis" but the Church feels good enough to perform at a guy who was on the front cover of a dirty magazine and his current wife who posed. Love it. Remember this?!

http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/16252-was-trump-looking-at-photo-of-ex-wife-marla-maples-in-a-bikini-before-eating

I hope the Choir member has a good time

Edited January 7, 2017 by Duncan

[Scott Lloyd]

16 minutes ago, JAHS said:

This kind of reasoning might help those who don't feel good about going to sing because of their opinion about the man Trump. But to label him a sinner might be considered a judgmental attitude to have. ("judge not that ye be not judged")

I don't see her as labeling Trump or anyone else a sinner (though everyone has indeed sinned). I think she is speaking conceptually about showing love, charity and acceptance, even toward those of whose behavior one disapproves.

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The safer and most reasonable reason to go is that which was voiced by the church spokesperson.

I hate the term "spokesperson." If it's a man, call him a spokesman; if it's a woman, call her a spokeswoman. Or if gender is an issue, use "representative."

(And no, it doesn't influence my thinking to know that Church Public Affairs sometimes uses the term "spokesperson." A lot of PR folk do. I still hate it.)

[Scott Lloyd]

19 hours ago, Bernard Gui said:

A choir member takes a principaled, positive, and moral stand to explain why she will sing at the inauguration, citing the example of Black American vocalist Marian Anderson.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865670560/Mormon-Tabernacle-Choir-member-explains-in-Facebook-video-why-she-will-sing-at-Trump-inauguration.html?s_cid=Email-4

Jesus even dined with sinners and Republicans!

Let's not rehash the issue of the sister who refuses to perform, but some comments on this sister's thoughts might be appropriate.

Bravo! Bravissimo to Sister Brazao! She has shown great wisdom. She is a credit to the choir and to the Church.

 

Edited January 7, 2017 by Scott Lloyd

[bluebell]

6 minutes ago, Duncan said:

Utah declared porn a "public health crisis" but the Church feels good enough to perform at a guy who was on the front cover of a dirty magazine and his current wife who posed. Love it. Remember this?!

http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/16252-was-trump-looking-at-photo-of-ex-wife-marla-maples-in-a-bikini-before-eating

I hope the Choir member has a good time

I'm not sure i understand your point Duncan.  Doesn't Christ's example show that we can have very high standards and morals and also spend time associating with people who don't?

[Duncan]

Just now, bluebell said:

I'm not sure i understand your point Duncan.  Doesn't Christ's example show that we can have very high standards and morals and also spend time associating with people who don't?

on one hand we this public health crisis and how often do we hear and read how porn is bad (it's even in a current ensign article) but on the other the choir is singing for these two who did that and I dunno, seem okay with it-to me it's hard to justify having high morals or saying we do and feel okay with people who don't (we do this all the time, associate with people who don't share our values but we don't sing to them ) but then say well, it's a crisis but yeah sure i'll sing for someone to did XYZ, it  seems to me we're supporting it. Obviously we aren't to condemn Trump but are we justifying his and his wife's salacious past? Are we losing moral high ground? Trump is not a moral man and doesn't seem repentant about it so why are we supporting him by singing to him or singing for a country that voted for him

[Bobbieaware]

14 minutes ago, Duncan said:

on one hand we this public health crisis and how often do we hear and read how porn is bad (it's even in a current ensign article) but on the other the choir is singing for these two who did that and I dunno, seem okay with it-to me it's hard to justify having high morals or saying we do and feel okay with people who don't (we do this all the time, associate with people who don't share our values but we don't sing to them ) but then say well, it's a crisis but yeah sure i'll sing for someone to did XYZ, it  seems to me we're supporting it. Obviously we aren't to condemn Trump but are we justifying his and his wife's salacious past? Are we losing moral high ground? Trump is not a moral man and doesn't seem repentant about it so why are we supporting him by singing to him or singing for a country that voted for him

Incoherent.

[Calm]

"Mark 2:16 While Jesus was having dinner at Levi’s house, many tax collectors and sinners were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. 16 When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: “Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?”

17 On hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”"

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The currently unrepentant are the ones that need help the most.  If they aren't touched by the Spirit and their hearts softened, no glamour or power of this life will be hanging around them when they are consigned to hell.

I think it is rather important we can say to God in that moment that, no, we were not ones who added to their burden of sin by rejection or mocking them, but we did our best to reach out.

Edited January 7, 2017 by Calm

[Duncan]

1 hour ago, Bobbieaware said:

Incoherent.

because i'm watching American TV i'll let that slide. It's like being a vegan and going to the Iowa Ribfest but just for the salad. If you are vegan why go to a ribfest? if you aren't such a vegan then why just have the salad at ribfest? 

[Nofear]

19 minutes ago, Calm said:

The currently unrepentant are the ones that need help the most.  If they aren't touched by the Spirit and their hearts softened, no glamour or power of this life will be hanging around them when they are consigned to hell.

I think it is rather important we can say to God in that moment that, no, we were not ones who added to their burden of sin by rejection or mocking them, but we did our best to reach out.

How wonderful would it be if an incoming administrative individual, obligated to be there and who would never have considered listening to a religious choir, felt the Spirit during the choir's presentation, pursued it, converted, and endeavored to appropriately apply their new understanding of Gospel principles to their government service.

Regardless of that scenario playing out or not it is very likely good to have an opportunity to perform in front personnel (likewise obligated to be there) who are openly and/or secretly opposed to the Church.

[Duncan]

Just now, Calm said:

"Mark 2:16 While Jesus was having dinner at Levi’s house, many tax collectors and sinners were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. 16 When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: “Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?”

17 On hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”"

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The currently unrepentant are the ones that need help the most.  If they aren't touched by the Spirit and their hearts softened, no glamour or power of this life will be hanging around them when they are consigned to hell.

I think it is rather important we can say to God in that moment that, no, we were not ones who added to their burden of sin by rejection or mocking them, but we did our best to reach out.

Jesus also chased out the money changers. Not to derail but why do you think porn was declared a public health crisis in Utah? if I am really trying to be like Christ could I go up to prostitutes and borrow them but just to try to save them and reach out to them? not judging them but you know just to help them?

[Duncan]

Just now, Nofear said:

How wonderful would it be if an incoming administrative individual, obligated to be there and who would never have considered listening to a religious choir, felt the Spirit during the choir's presentation, pursued it, converted, and endeavored to appropriately apply their new understanding of Gospel principles to their government service.

Regardless of that scenario playing out or not it is very likely good to have an opportunity to perform in front personnel (likewise obligated to be there) who are openly and/or secretly opposed to the Church.

exactley, I think it was Trump\s son or someone who suggested to him to get the Choir, i'd be surprised if he even listened to them and how do we know he doesn't want to get back at Romney and is using the Church to do it? His son just served his dad a golden opportunity to do that

[The Nehor]

51 minutes ago, Nofear said:

How wonderful would it be if an incoming administrative individual, obligated to be there and who would never have considered listening to a religious choir, felt the Spirit during the choir's presentation, pursued it, converted, and endeavored to appropriately apply their new understanding of Gospel principles to their government service.

Regardless of that scenario playing out or not it is very likely good to have an opportunity to perform in front personnel (likewise obligated to be there) who are openly and/or secretly opposed to the Church.

If Trump joins the LDS faith.........is that a dream come true or nightmare fuel?

[Duncan]

Just now, The Nehor said:

If Trump joins the LDS faith.........is that a dream come true or nightmare fuel?

Romney was giving Trump a pre baptismal interview! at a restaurant the average person can eat at of course...!

[longview]

10 hours ago, Duncan said:

on one hand we this public health crisis and how often do we hear and read how porn is bad (it's even in a current ensign article) but on the other the choir is singing for these two who did that and I dunno, seem okay with it-to me it's hard to justify having high morals or saying we do and feel okay with people who don't (we do this all the time, associate with people who don't share our values but we don't sing to them ) but then say well, it's a crisis but yeah sure i'll sing for someone to did XYZ, it  seems to me we're supporting it.

Trump has feet of clay.  I have feet of clay.  I have done things I am ashamed of (I fully intend to keep them in the PAST).  AND continue repenting.  That is the duty of all followers of Christ.  Was Jesus supporting the prostitutes and the government thugs when He visited them in THEIR home?  Or did He love them enough to proclaim their infinite worth and ability to "come into the fold?"

11 hours ago, Duncan said:

Obviously we aren't to condemn Trump but are we justifying his and his wife's salacious past? Are we losing moral high ground?

Various past presidents (JFK, LBJ, Clinton) have done worse than Trump.   And you show intolerance?

11 hours ago, Duncan said:

Trump is not a moral man and doesn't seem repentant about it so why are we supporting him by singing to him or singing for a country that voted for him

I have seen Trump come right out and say that he is sorry and regrets his carnal expressions.  This was during one of the presidential debates between him and Hillary.  You are condemning the USA (and me) for voting for Trump.  This reaction by the left is very astonishing.  It reminds me of the extreme derangement we witnessed by the left against a previous president (by the name of George W. Bush who happened to be the very epitome of decency).  No, I think the REAL reason is the left is scared to death that Trump will reform the government and restore Constitutional safeguards and undo the excesses of the previous administration.

[Danzo]

11 hours ago, Duncan said:

Jesus also chased out the money changers. Not to derail but why do you think porn was declared a public health crisis in Utah? if I am really trying to be like Christ could I go up to prostitutes and borrow them but just to try to save them and reach out to them? not judging them but you know just to help them?

I remember teaching and talking to prostitutes and pimps on my mission.

Didn't mean I was endorsing their profession or behaviour.

[Duncan]

2 hours ago, longview said:

Trump has feet of clay.  I have feet of clay.  I have done things I am ashamed of (I fully intend to keep them in the PAST).  AND continue repenting.  That is the duty of all followers of Christ.  Was Jesus supporting the prostitutes and the government thugs when He visited them in THEIR home?  Or did He love them enough to proclaim their infinite worth and ability to "come into the fold?"

Various past presidents (JFK, LBJ, Clinton) have done worse than Trump.   And you show intolerance?

I have seen Trump come right out and say that he is sorry and regrets his carnal expressions.  This was during one of the presidential debates between him and Hillary.  You are condemning the USA (and me) for voting for Trump.  This reaction by the left is very astonishing.  It reminds me of the extreme derangement we witnessed by the left against a previous president (by the name of George W. Bush who happened to be the very epitome of decency).  No, I think the REAL reason is the left is scared to death that Trump will reform the government and restore Constitutional safeguards and undo the excesses of the previous administration.

Politics, who is a worse sexual offender?! love it. did Jesus visit a prostitute home? Can you? can I? I remember the backlash against GWB and saying he was the worst President ever and stuff like that , now he must be laughing. Trump cares about himself and making money and is using the US to do it and now the Church got dragged into this mess. I hope you're right about your future!

[Duncan]

Just now, Danzo said:

I remember teaching and talking to prostitutes and pimps on my mission.

Didn't mean I was endorsing their profession or behaviour.

You sound like you could handle it but others can't and haven't. I am all for hookers changing their life, they should change their life! I think there are better ways to do things than others

Edited January 7, 2017 by Duncan

[HappyJackWagon]

I am so offended that this choir member decided to grandstand and make a public statement about this. How dare she voice opposition to her former choir-mate and drag the choir further into an embarrassing public debate. It's just unconscionable.

 

See how silly that is? Yet those things, and much worse, were said about Jan Chamberlin doing the same thing.

Both people have an opinion. Both people are allowed to voice that opinion and neither are should be shamed or threatened because of it.

[Bobbieaware]

Just now, Duncan said:

Politics, who is a worse sexual offender?! love it. did Jesus visit a prostitute home? Can you? can I? I remember the backlash against GWB and saying he was the worst President ever and stuff like that , now he must be laughing. Trump cares about himself and making money and is using the US to do it and now the Church got dragged into this mess. I hope you're right about your future!

You are incredibly presumptuous about what's going to happen with the new administration. And I'll bet you're so personally invested in your presumptions, and that you want so much to be proven right about Trump, that you'd rather see the United States fall than have to admit you were wrong 4 years from now. Yes?