Revelation to the Apostles

[Hamba Tuhan]

In a now closed thread, we discussed Russell M. Nelson's statement that the recent policy changes regarding same-sex 'marriages' came about as a consequence of revelation. Some posters seemed shocked, suggesting that claims of revelation are few and far between when it comes to current LDS apostles. Others of us pointed out that one of the central facets of the Restoration is the conviction that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is led by apostles and prophets who are led directly through revelation.

I find it interesting in light of this discussion that no one seems to be exercised about Elder D. Todd Christopherson's Facebook post from the 4th of last month: 'Someone recently asked me why the Brethren are focused on teaching about Sabbath day observance throughout the world. The answer is very simple. It came as a direct revelation to the First Presidency and the Twelve from the Lord'.

 

[Rain]

I had not seen that, but then I pretty much run through Facebook now. I look at the notifications and if someone has updated their status I will look, but if sharing something I skip it because sharing is all many ever seem to do anymore and I really just want to know about my friend.

But yes, that doesn't even phase me, like Elder Nelson didn't. If you don't know that the church teaches us to pray and receive revelation over our callings then you haven't been paying attention. 

Edited February 11, 2016 by Rain

[bluebell]

I hadn't seen that from Elder Christofferson.  Thanks for sharing it!

[JLHPROF]

3 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

In a now closed thread, we discussed Russell M. Nelson's statement that the recent policy changes regarding same-sex 'marriages' came about as a consequence of revelation. Some posters seemed shocked, suggesting that claims of revelation are few and far between when it comes to current LDS apostles. Others of us pointed out that one of the central facets of the Restoration is the conviction that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is led by apostles and prophets who are led directly through revelation.

I find it interesting in light of this discussion that no one seems to be exercised about Elder D. Todd Christopherson's Facebook post from the 4th of last month: 'Someone recently asked me why the Brethren are focused on teaching about Sabbath day observance throughout the world. The answer is very simple. It came as a direct revelation to the First Presidency and the Twelve from the Lord'.

 

It would still be nice to actually read a new "direct revelation".
But I have expressed my feelings on the difference between inspiration and revelation before.  

 

[will227457]

Revelation? as in they heard a booming voice? or a visit from a member of the God head? A mystic dream that has to be interpreted? 

Does anyone think that this is how they receive revelation these days?

[Jeanne]

2 minutes ago, will227457 said:

Revelation? as in they heard a booming voice? or a visit from a member of the God head? A mystic dream that has to be interpreted? 

Does anyone think that this is how they receive revelation these days?

I know I would like to hear some thunder and a big boom..perhaps a burning bush somewhere???

[bluebell]

24 minutes ago, Jeanne said:

I know I would like to hear some thunder and a big boom..perhaps a burning bush somewhere???

Lightening and a huge arrow blinking over the correct choice or course of action would also be helpful.

[Avatar4321]

they likely have revelation on subjects daily. I have revelation frequently and I'm nobody

 

 

 

 

 

[Ahab]

7 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

In a now closed thread, we discussed Russell M. Nelson's statement that the recent policy changes regarding same-sex 'marriages' came about as a consequence of revelation. Some posters seemed shocked, suggesting that claims of revelation are few and far between when it comes to current LDS apostles. Others of us pointed out that one of the central facets of the Restoration is the conviction that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is led by apostles and prophets who are led directly through revelation.

I find it interesting in light of this discussion that no one seems to be exercised about Elder D. Todd Christopherson's Facebook post from the 4th of last month: 'Someone recently asked me why the Brethren are focused on teaching about Sabbath day observance throughout the world. The answer is very simple. It came as a direct revelation to the First Presidency and the Twelve from the Lord'.

 

First time I've heard about this.

What, exactly, came as a direct revelation to them from the Lord? What did he say, exactly,  or exactly what impression did he give them about Sabbath day observance?  That it's a good thing to do? That they need to do better at observing it? That we do? That we all do? That they or we don't understand enough about how to do it better? Did he give any helpful ideas about how to do it better or some more specifics about how to do it right?

Detail, details,  details.  I want more details please.

Or am I expected to commune with the Lord some more about this myself? Did he say?

[The Nehor]

4 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

It would still be nice to actually read a new "direct revelation".
But I have expressed my feelings on the difference between inspiration and revelation before.  

 

Complain to God that his current method of communication is not meeting your needs.

1 hour ago, Avatar4321 said:

they likely have revelation on subjects daily. I have revelation frequently and I'm nobody

Me too but I am planning on only being  nobody temporarily. One day the Universe will bow to my every command. Mwahaahaahahahahaahhahahaahahaha!

[will227457]

1 hour ago, Avatar4321 said:

they likely have revelation on subjects daily. I have revelation frequently and I'm nobody

 

 

 

 

 

I think that's what happens when people talk to themselves

[The Nehor]

8 minutes ago, will227457 said:

I think that's what happens when people talk to themselves

As an experienced talker to oneself I can say that it is quite different from revelation.

[Hamba Tuhan]

2 hours ago, Avatar4321 said:

they likely have revelation on subjects daily. I have revelation frequently and I'm nobody

Exactly. We had training with our area president last year. He had just got back from his training in conjunction with general conference, and he shared many things from that experience with us. One of them involved a lengthy discussion amongst the Seventy, to which Pres Monson had assigned Pres Eyring as a visiting apostle. When the discussion was finished, one of the presidents of the Seventy asked Pres Eyring if he wished to add anything. He said yes, that during the discussion, as good as it had been, he had heard both the Father and the Son pleading with all of them to do something differently/better. He then shared that pleading with us and said that, if God wants the apostles and the Seventy to do better on this point, hopefully we will choose to do better as well.

4 hours ago, will227457 said:

Revelation? as in they heard a booming voice? or a visit from a member of the God head? A mystic dream that has to be interpreted? 

Does anyone think that this is how they receive revelation these days?

I see no reason to conclude that the Lord's chosen apostles and prophets are in receipt of less revelation than I am.

Edited February 11, 2016 by Hamba Tuhan

[Ahab]

26 minutes ago, will227457 said:

I think that's what happens when people talk to themselves

Learning to discern the difference between yourself and someone else is important.

And it can be kinda tricky when others are speaking to you in what seems to be some sort of telepathy, too.

[Jeanne]

22 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

As an experienced talker to oneself I can say that it is quite different from revelation.

Yeah..I do this a lot.  It gets really embarrassing when I add hand gestures and facial expressions.

[Rain]

1 hour ago, Ahab said:

First time I've heard about this.

What, exactly, came as a direct revelation to them from the Lord? What did he say, exactly,  or exactly what impression did he give them about Sabbath day observance?  That it's a good thing to do? That they need to do better at observing it? That we do? That we all do? That they or we don't understand enough about how to do it better? Did he give any helpful ideas about how to do it better or some more specifics about how to do it right?

Detail, details,  details.  I want more details please.

Or am I expected to commune with the Lord some more about this myself? Did he say?

Just looked it up.  It says:

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Someone recently asked me why the Brethren are focused on teaching about Sabbath day observance throughout the world. The answer is very simple. It came as a direct revelation to the First Presidency and the Twelve from the Lord.

If we keep the Sabbath day holy, individuals will be stronger and will experience a transforming depth of spiritual maturity. The Lord has taught for centuries to let the Sabbath be a delight for all. We are all learning and teaching this law anew worldwide. We know it will bless all.

This is his page.  The post is on January 3rd. 

[Avatar4321]

2 hours ago, will227457 said:

I think that's what happens when people talk to themselves

have you ever talked to yourself or received revelation? As someone who has done both I can promise you they aren't the same.

[CV75]

11 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

In a now closed thread, we discussed Russell M. Nelson's statement that the recent policy changes regarding same-sex 'marriages' came about as a consequence of revelation. Some posters seemed shocked, suggesting that claims of revelation are few and far between when it comes to current LDS apostles. Others of us pointed out that one of the central facets of the Restoration is the conviction that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is led by apostles and prophets who are led directly through revelation.

I find it interesting in light of this discussion that no one seems to be exercised about Elder D. Todd Christopherson's Facebook post from the 4th of last month: 'Someone recently asked me why the Brethren are focused on teaching about Sabbath day observance throughout the world. The answer is very simple. It came as a direct revelation to the First Presidency and the Twelve from the Lord'.

I think the problem is the subject matter upon which the revelation is given.

[Avatar4321]

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1 hour ago, CV75 said:

I think the problem is the subject matter upon which the revelation is given.

which is probably why some want to pretend there is no revelation

[Glenn101]

1 hour ago, CV75 said:

I think the problem is the subject matter upon which the revelation is given.

None of the posters who expressed skepticism about the Policy revelation have showed up to comment on this. Rather than try to read their minds, I would hope that some of them, rockpond, etc. would chime in on this and explain how this one is different. Or if they have the same opinion that the revelation on Sabbath Day observance is merely a after the fact story made to justify this "crackdown."

Glenn

[consiglieri]

13 hours ago, Glenn101 said:

None of the posters who expressed skepticism about the Policy revelation have showed up to comment on this. Rather than try to read their minds, I would hope that some of them, rockpond, etc. would chime in on this and explain how this one is different. Or if they have the same opinion that the revelation on Sabbath Day observance is merely a after the fact story made to justify this "crackdown."

Glenn

So now "revelation" is so watered-down in the LDS Church that it means a decision to focus on better keeping a commandment that has been around for thousands of years?

Your response, Glenn, is precisely the desired impact this claim is supposed to have.

President Nelson stirred up controversy by claiming a two-month old leaked policy was actually revelation.

The obvious response to the controversy is to claim that things entirely uncontroversial are likewise the result of revelation.

President Nelson understood that in his talk and gave the example of lowering the missionary age, which was now claimed for the first time to be a "revelation."

Elder Christofferson continues this tactic by announcing so pedestrian a decision as focusing on Sabbath day observance was a "revelation."

The goal seems to be to claim so many uncontroversial things are "revelation" as to soften the controversy surrounding the "revelation" claimed by President Nelson for the new policy.

And based on your response, Glenn, this maneuver is having the desired effect.

[ksfisher]

2 minutes ago, consiglieri said:

So now "revelation" is so watered-down in the LDS Church that it means a decision to focus on better keeping a commandment that has been around for thousands of years?

Your response, Glenn, is precisely the desired impact this claim is supposed to have.

President Nelson stirred up controversy by claiming a two-month old leaked policy was actually revelation.

The obvious response to the controversy is to claim that things entirely uncontroversial are likewise the result of revelation.

President Nelson understood that in his talk and gave the example of lowering the missionary age, which was now claimed for the first time to be a "revelation."

Elder Christofferson continues this tactic by announcing so pedestrian a decision as focusing on Sabbath day observance was a "revelation."

The goal seems to be to claim so many uncontroversial things are "revelation" as to soften the controversy surrounding the "revelation" claimed by President Nelson for the new policy.

And based on your response, Glenn, this maneuver is having the desired effect.

I don't think any of this revelation seems controversial or pedestrian to those who believe that modern prophets and apostles are indeed receiving revelation.

[stemelbow]

3 minutes ago, consiglieri said:

So now "revelation" is so watered-down in the LDS Church that it means a decision to focus on better keeping a commandment that has been around for thousands of years?

Your response, Glenn, is precisely the desired impact this claim is supposed to have.

President Nelson stirred up controversy by claiming a two-month old leaked policy was actually revelation.

The obvious response to the controversy is to claim that things entirely uncontroversial are likewise the result of revelation.

President Nelson understood that in his talk and gave the example of lowering the missionary age, which was now claimed for the first time to be a "revelation."

Elder Christofferson continues this tactic by announcing so pedestrian a decision as focusing on Sabbath day observance was a "revelation."

The goal seems to be to claim so many uncontroversial things are "revelation" as to soften the controversy surrounding the "revelation" claimed by President Nelson for the new policy.

And based on your response, Glenn, this maneuver is having the desired effect.

Well revelation often appears to be impressions that people have.  It seems to have been an impression--members need to better observe the Sabbath.  They prayed, fasted, met, counselled and it was revelation.  of course it's possible that such revelation is mistaken. 

I wouldn't poo poo it.  What else can we expect?  I think it a good thing that simply little re-emphases can be considered revelation.  It means my little impressions are also revelation. 

[consiglieri]

1 minute ago, stemelbow said:

 I wouldn't poo poo it.  What else can we expect? 

Well, I suppose we could expect those who claim to have the same office, keys and roles as Joseph Smith to produce revelations the way Joseph Smith did.

Or would that be asking too much?

[stemelbow]

Just now, consiglieri said:

Well, I suppose we could expect those who claim to have the same office, keys and roles as Joseph Smith to produce revelations the way Joseph Smith did.

Or would that be asking too much?

Whose to say his was any different?