The Fullness Of The Gospel

[HOLY CATHOLIC]

Bruce mcConkie trying to explain

Our revelations say that the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of Gospel. { D&C 20:9, 27:5. 42:12, 135:3 } This is true in the sense that Book of Mormon is a record of God's dealings with a people who had the fulness of the gospel and therefore the laws and priciples leading to the highest salvation are found recorded in that book. The fullness consists in those laws, doctrines, ordnances, powers, and authorities needed to enable men to gain the fullness of salvation. Mormon Doctrine page 333

in the Book of Mormon means that it contains those instructions a person needs to observe in order to be worthy to enter the presence of God in the celestial kingdom.

The Ensign 09/1985

Fulness of the Gospel,, by fullness of the gospel, is meant all the ordinances and principles that pertain to the exaltation in celestial kingdom…Doctrine of Salvation Vol. 1 page 160 Joseph Fielding Smith.

Sept 1976 Ensign I have a Question

Pearl Of Great Price

34 He said there was a book deposited, written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of this continent, and the source from whence they sprang. He also said that the fulness of the everlasting Gospel was contained in it, as delivered by the Savior to the ancient inhabitants;

Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said: “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”

If above is correct how come none of these teachings exclusive with Mormons ca be found in the Book of Mormon

1. The plurality of Gods (Mormon Doctrine pp. 576, 577)

2. The baptism for the dead done in holy temples (Mormon Doctrine pp. 72,73)

3. Celestial marriage which no unworthy member or outsider can attend (Mormon Doctrine pp. 117, 118)

4. Polygamy needed to become a God (Journal of Discourse, Vol. II p. 269)

5. Blacks were cursed with a dark skin (Mormon Doctrine p. 109)

6. You can become a God if you are worthy; celestial marriage required (Mormon Doctrine p. 118)

7. We were all pre-existent spirits (Mormon Doctrine p. 589)

8. God has a body of flesh and bones (Mormon Doctrine p. 289)

9. We have a Heavenly Mother as well as a Heavenly Father (Mormon Doctrine p. 516)

10. There are three levels of heaven. To go to the highest kingdom, you must be a Mormon. Honorable persons go to the Terrestrial kingdom. The dishonest, liars, sorcerers, adulterers and whoremongers go to the Telestial kingdom. (Mormon Doctrine pp. 420, 421)

11. God and his wife achieved a celestial marriage (Celestial Marriage Manual p. 1)

12. Heavenly Father died just like Jesus (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p. 346)

13. God was once just like us and progressed to godhood (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p. 345)

14. God has a father and His Father has a Father, etc. (Mormon Doctrine p. 322)

15. Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers (Mormon Doctrine p. 192)

16. Jesus and Lucifer each had a plan to people the earth. Jesus' plan was chosen and caused Lucifer to rebel and he and the angels that followed him were cast out of heaven. (Mormon Doctrine p. 193)

17. God lives near a star called Kolob (Mormon Doctrine p. 428)

18. Temple endowments are so sacred that you must be worthy to enter (Mormon Doctrine pp. 619, 620)

19. Jesus was not able to keep his church together (History of the Church Vol. 6 pp. 408, 409)

20. In the future, you will need Joseph Smith's consent in order to enter the celestial kingdom (Journal of Discourse Vol. 7 p.289)

21. Not everything you'll need to know concerning salvation will be recorded in the Bible but there will be additional scriptures (Mormon Doctrine p. 83)"

22. Jesus was Married and Practiced polygamy (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.210).

(Journal of Discourses, vol.2, p.82).

(Journal of Discourses, vol.4, p.259).

23. No eternal hell

LDS Apostle John Widtsoe declared, "In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, there is no hell. All will find a measure of salvation" (E. & R., p. 216). Yet, the B. of M. says, "The devil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell and behold others he flattereth away, and telleth them there is no hell" (II Nephi 28:21-22). Thus, the B. of M. explains where Mormonism got its doctrine of no hell!

The B. of M. also says, "If ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked" (Alma 34:35).

24. Animal sacrifice after Jesus' blood was shed

RESTORATION OF BLOOD SACRIFICES. We are living in the dispensation of the fulness of times into which all things are to be gathered, and all things are to be restored since the beginning. Even this earth is to be restored to the condition which prevailed before Adam's transgression. 44 Now in the nature of things, the law of sacrifice will have to be restored, or all things which were decreed by the Lord would not be restored. It will be necessary, therefore, for the sons of Levi, who offered the blood sacrifices anciently in Israel, to offer such a sacrifice again to round out and complete this ordinance in this dispensation. Sacrifice by the shedding of blood was instituted in the days of Adam and of necessity will have to be restored. 45

The sacrifice of animals will be done to complete the restoration when the temple spoken of is built; at the beginning of the millennium, or in the restoration, blood sacrifices will be performed long enough to complete the fulness of the restoration in this dispensation. Afterwards sacrifice will be of some other character.

3 Nephi 9:19 Jesus was supposed to have said: "And ye shall offer up unto me no more the shedding of blood; yea, your sacrifices and your burnt offerings shall be done away, for I will accept none of your sacrifices and your burnt offerings."

25. Atonement happened in Garden of Gethsemane

The Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints does not view the atonement of Christ in the biblical and historical Christian manner. Instead of the atonement occurring on the cross, Mormonism teaches that the atonement occurred primarily in the Garden of Gethsemane when Jesus shed His blood. Please consider the following quotes from a BYU professor and the Mormon apostle Bruce McConkie.

•BYU professor Robert J. Matthews, who on page 282 of his book, A Bible! A Bible!, wrote, "It was in Gethsemane, on the slopes of the Mount of Olives, that Jesus made his perfect atonement by the shedding of his blood-more so than on the cross."

•Mormon Apostle Bruce McConkie, stated, "Where and under what circumstances was the atoning sacrifice of the Son of God made? Was it on the Cross of Calvary or in the Garden of Gethsemane? It is to the Cross of Christ that most Christians look when centering their attention upon the infinite and eternal atonement. And certainly the sacrifice of our Lord was completed when he was lifted up by men; also, that part of his life and suffering is more dramatic and, perhaps, more soul stirring. But in reality the pain and suffering, the triumph and grandeur, of the atonement took place primarily in Gethsemane," (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, vol. 1, p. 774,

1 Nephi 11:33

And I, Nephi, saw that he was lifted up upon the cross and slain for the sins of the world.

Doctrines of Salvation 1:132; “We will never be able to pay the debt. The gratitude of our hearts should be filled to overflowing in love and obedience for his great and tender mercy. For what he has done, we should never fail him. He bought us with a price, the price of his great suffering and the spilling of his blood in sacrifice on the cross.”

26. Eternal Progression

27. Maintaining genealogical records

28. Mormons hold keys to the kingdom

29 . Eternal Families

30 . creation from matter and Ex Nihilo wrong

Jacob 4:9 For behold, by the power of his a word man came upon the face of the earth, which earth was created by the power of his word. Wherefore, if God being able to speak and the world was, and to speak and man was created, O then, why not able to command the dearth, or the workmanship of his hands upon the face of it, according to his will and pleasure?

31. Exaltation

32. Everyone will be saved thru Grace just not exalted

32. God is not omniscient

God himself is increasing and progressing in knowledge, power, and dominion, and will do so, worlds without end." Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses Vol. 6:120

Edited April 19, 2015 by HOLY CATHOLIC

[carbon dioxide]

What exactly is the question or issue for this thread or is it simply an exercise to throw spaghetti at the wall and hope that some of it sticks to refute LDS views?  Do you really think that the term "fullness of the gospel" means every doctrinal issue that exists? 

Edited April 19, 2015 by carbon dioxide

[JLHPROF]

What exactly is the question or issue for this thread or is it simply an exercise to throw spaghetti at the wall and hope that some of it sticks to refute LDS views?  Do you really think that the term "fullness of the gospel" means every doctrinal issue that exists? 

 

No, his theory is that because all aspects of the gospel aren't outlined in the Book of Mormon that there is inconsistency between early Mormonism (pre-1835) as taught in the Book of Mormon, and later Mormonism (Post 1835-Nauvoo era) as taught in the D&C, and the teachings of the Church.

 

It's a legitimate question.  If the fulness of the gospel is contained in the Book of Mormon why are so many other revealed truths not mentioned.

I would argue that most of them are alluded to in the BoM.  And those that are reserved for this last dispensation may not be.  That when people say the fulness of the Gospel is contained in the BoM it is a touch of hyperbole and has direct reference to the atonement and mission of Christ.   That could easily be considered "the fulness of the gospel" of salvation.  And it is ALL through the BoM.

 

But the principles of exaltation and eternal lives go beyond the "fulness of the gospel" of salvation.  The fulness of the gospel of exaltation (to coin a phrase) may not all be spelled out in the BoM.  And there is no reason it has to be.

[carbon dioxide]

No, his theory is that because all aspects of the gospel aren't outlined in the Book of Mormon that there is inconsistency between early Mormonism (pre-1835) as taught in the Book of Mormon, and later Mormonism (Post 1835-Nauvoo era) as taught in the D&C, and the teachings of the Church.

 

It's a legitimate question.  If the fulness of the gospel is contained in the Book of Mormon why are so many other revealed truths not mentioned.

I would argue that most of them are alluded to in the BoM.  And those that are reserved for this last dispensation may not be.  That when people say the fulness of the Gospel is contained in the BoM it is a touch of hyperbole and has direct reference to the atonement and mission of Christ.   That could easily be considered "the fulness of the gospel" of salvation.  And it is ALL through the BoM.

 

But the principles of exaltation and eternal lives go beyond the "fulness of the gospel" of salvation.  The fulness of the gospel of exaltation (to coin a phrase) may not all be spelled out in the BoM.  And there is no reason it has to be.

I got that part but he could have asked it in a much easier format than copy and pasting someone rant from a website.    Everything he posted could have been reduced to 3 or 4 sentences.

 

The gospel is the "good news".  Mainly focuses on the atonement of Christ and what he did for us.  Whether Jesus was married or not really does not relate to the gospel. 

[CV75]

 “Fulness” (only one “l”) does not mean “exclusive.”

 

“Fulness” means many things, and you’ve only mentioned a few.

 

As indicated in your quotes, “fulness” has many senses and is a qualitative term as much as it is a quantitative term, and in any case it refers to spiritual things.

 

The Gospel is that that Jesus came into the world to do the will of my Father, because His Father sent Him (see 3 Nephi 27). The fulness of Jesus’ coming into the world is to be realized in the dispensation of the fullness of times (see Ephesians 1), which was ushered in by the coming forth of the Book of Mormon. Until the Second Coming,the fulness of the Gospel is administered under apostolic authority (see Romans 15: 25-29).

 

D&C 20: 8 – 16 refers to all these ideas, and more. This is how the Book of Mormon contains a fulness of the Gospel: it contains the fulness of Jesus’ coming into the world because it points in many ways how to prepare for His Second Coming.

 

At which point or in which manner we come unto Him, which is a whole other sense of the term “fulness.”

[Avatar4321]

First, you clearly dont know what the gospel is or you would be including things that aren't.

second, you clearly haven't read the Book of Mormon or you wouldn't be claiming things like the pre mortal life aren't found in it.

third, you clearly haven't read Mormon doctrine or you wouldn't be pretending it was an Authorized source and ignore the scriptures.

fourth, you clearly haven't read the bible or you would have know doctrines such as diefication and baptism for the dead, among others, are taught in it.

finally, if you are going to cut and paste lists that have responded to decades ago, you could at least provide the reference to your cut job. Try communicating with us genuinely and you might learn something.

[teddyaware]

Bruce mcConkie trying to explain

Our revelations say that the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of Gospel. { D&C 20:9, 27:5. 42:12, 135:3 } This is true in the sense that Book of Mormon is a record of God's dealings with a people who had the fulness of the gospel and therefore the laws and priciples leading to the highest salvation are found recorded in that book. The fullness consists in those laws, doctrines, ordnances, powers, and authorities needed to enable men to gain the fullness of salvation. Mormon Doctrine page 333

in the Book of Mormon means that it contains those instructions a person needs to observe in order to be worthy to enter the presence of God in the celestial kingdom.

The Ensign 09/1985

Fulness of the Gospel,, by fullness of the gospel, is meant all the ordinances and principles that pertain to the exaltation in celestial kingdom…Doctrine of Salvation Vol. 1 page 160 Joseph Fielding Smith.

Sept 1976 Ensign I have a Question

Pearl Of Great Price

34 He said there was a book deposited, written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of this continent, and the source from whence they sprang. He also said that the fulness of the everlasting Gospel was contained in it, as delivered by the Savior to the ancient inhabitants;

Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said: “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”

If above is correct how come none of these teachings exclusive with Mormons ca be found in the Book of Mormon

1. The plurality of Gods (Mormon Doctrine pp. 576, 577)

2. The baptism for the dead done in holy temples (Mormon Doctrine pp. 72,73)

3. Celestial marriage which no unworthy member or outsider can attend (Mormon Doctrine pp. 117, 118)

4. Polygamy needed to become a God (Journal of Discourse, Vol. II p. 269)

5. Blacks were cursed with a dark skin (Mormon Doctrine p. 109)

6. You can become a God if you are worthy; celestial marriage required (Mormon Doctrine p. 118)

7. We were all pre-existent spirits (Mormon Doctrine p. 589)

8. God has a body of flesh and bones (Mormon Doctrine p. 289)

9. We have a Heavenly Mother as well as a Heavenly Father (Mormon Doctrine p. 516)

10. There are three levels of heaven. To go to the highest kingdom, you must be a Mormon. Honorable persons go to the Terrestrial kingdom. The dishonest, liars, sorcerers, adulterers and whoremongers go to the Telestial kingdom. (Mormon Doctrine pp. 420, 421)

11. God and his wife achieved a celestial marriage (Celestial Marriage Manual p. 1)

12. Heavenly Father died just like Jesus (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p. 346)

13. God was once just like us and progressed to godhood (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p. 345)

14. God has a father and His Father has a Father, etc. (Mormon Doctrine p. 322)

15. Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers (Mormon Doctrine p. 192)

16. Jesus and Lucifer each had a plan to people the earth. Jesus' plan was chosen and caused Lucifer to rebel and he and the angels that followed him were cast out of heaven. (Mormon Doctrine p. 193)

17. God lives near a star called Kolob (Mormon Doctrine p. 428)

18. Temple endowments are so sacred that you must be worthy to enter (Mormon Doctrine pp. 619, 620)

19. Jesus was not able to keep his church together (History of the Church Vol. 6 pp. 408, 409)

20. In the future, you will need Joseph Smith's consent in order to enter the celestial kingdom (Journal of Discourse Vol. 7 p.289)

21. Not everything you'll need to know concerning salvation will be recorded in the Bible but there will be additional scriptures (Mormon Doctrine p. 83)"

22. Jesus was Married and Practiced polygamy (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.210).

(Journal of Discourses, vol.2, p.82).

(Journal of Discourses, vol.4, p.259).

23. No eternal hell

LDS Apostle John Widtsoe declared, "In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, there is no hell. All will find a measure of salvation" (E. & R., p. 216). Yet, the B. of M. says, "The devil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell and behold others he flattereth away, and telleth them there is no hell" (II Nephi 28:21-22). Thus, the B. of M. explains where Mormonism got its doctrine of no hell!

The B. of M. also says, "If ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked" (Alma 34:35).

24. Animal sacrifice after Jesus' blood was shed

RESTORATION OF BLOOD SACRIFICES. We are living in the dispensation of the fulness of times into which all things are to be gathered, and all things are to be restored since the beginning. Even this earth is to be restored to the condition which prevailed before Adam's transgression. 44 Now in the nature of things, the law of sacrifice will have to be restored, or all things which were decreed by the Lord would not be restored. It will be necessary, therefore, for the sons of Levi, who offered the blood sacrifices anciently in Israel, to offer such a sacrifice again to round out and complete this ordinance in this dispensation. Sacrifice by the shedding of blood was instituted in the days of Adam and of necessity will have to be restored. 45

The sacrifice of animals will be done to complete the restoration when the temple spoken of is built; at the beginning of the millennium, or in the restoration, blood sacrifices will be performed long enough to complete the fulness of the restoration in this dispensation. Afterwards sacrifice will be of some other character.

3 Nephi 9:19 Jesus was supposed to have said: "And ye shall offer up unto me no more the shedding of blood; yea, your sacrifices and your burnt offerings shall be done away, for I will accept none of your sacrifices and your burnt offerings."

25. Atonement happened in Garden of Gethsemane

The Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints does not view the atonement of Christ in the biblical and historical Christian manner. Instead of the atonement occurring on the cross, Mormonism teaches that the atonement occurred primarily in the Garden of Gethsemane when Jesus shed His blood. Please consider the following quotes from a BYU professor and the Mormon apostle Bruce McConkie.

•BYU professor Robert J. Matthews, who on page 282 of his book, A Bible! A Bible!, wrote, "It was in Gethsemane, on the slopes of the Mount of Olives, that Jesus made his perfect atonement by the shedding of his blood-more so than on the cross."

•Mormon Apostle Bruce McConkie, stated, "Where and under what circumstances was the atoning sacrifice of the Son of God made? Was it on the Cross of Calvary or in the Garden of Gethsemane? It is to the Cross of Christ that most Christians look when centering their attention upon the infinite and eternal atonement. And certainly the sacrifice of our Lord was completed when he was lifted up by men; also, that part of his life and suffering is more dramatic and, perhaps, more soul stirring. But in reality the pain and suffering, the triumph and grandeur, of the atonement took place primarily in Gethsemane," (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, vol. 1, p. 774,

1 Nephi 11:33

And I, Nephi, saw that he was lifted up upon the cross and slain for the sins of the world.

Doctrines of Salvation 1:132; “We will never be able to pay the debt. The gratitude of our hearts should be filled to overflowing in love and obedience for his great and tender mercy. For what he has done, we should never fail him. He bought us with a price, the price of his great suffering and the spilling of his blood in sacrifice on the cross.”

26. Eternal Progression

27. Maintaining genealogical records

28. Mormons hold keys to the kingdom

29 . Eternal Families

30 . creation from matter and Ex Nihilo wrong

Jacob 4:9 For behold, by the power of his a word man came upon the face of the earth, which earth was created by the power of his word. Wherefore, if God being able to speak and the world was, and to speak and man was created, O then, why not able to command the dearth, or the workmanship of his hands upon the face of it, according to his will and pleasure?

31. Exaltation

32. Everyone will be saved thru Grace just not exalted

32. God is not omniscient

God himself is increasing and progressing in knowledge, power, and dominion, and will do so, worlds without end." Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses Vol. 6:120

 

Sorry to deflate your overly inflated balloon (and sorry that you'll soon see you've wasted your time), but this is one of those foolish questions anti-Mormons ask when they haven't bothered to read and ponder the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon itself makes it perfectly that it contains the "LESSER PORTION OF THE WORD OF GOD," and that many of the more advanced Gospel teachings (meatier doctrines) were -- at the specific and very strict command of God Himself -- deliberately left out of the Book of Mormon.

 

As the following verses will more than amply demonstrate, the term "Fulness of the Gospel," when applied to the Book of Mormon, refers to the fulness of the basic principles of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, not to the fulness of the more advanced teachings pertaining to the Gospel. In fact, as I said, Mormon was commanded by the Lord to keep the meatier doctrines out of the Book of Mormon as a way to test the latter-day Gentiles to see if a sufficient number of them would accept the lesser teachings that are contained in our present Book of Mormon before the Lord would reveal the meatier doctrines to the true believers of the latter-days through living prophets.

 

Read and weep:

 

 

7 But behold the plates of Nephi do contain the more part of the things which he (Christ) taught the people.

 8 And these things have I written, which are a LESSER PART of the things which he taught the people; and I have written them to the intent that they may be brought again unto this people, from the Gentiles, according to the words which Jesus hath spoken.

 9 And when they shall have received this (the spoken of lesser portion of the word), which is expedient that they should have FIRST, to try their faith, and if it shall so be that they shall believe these things then shall the greater things be made manifest unto them.

 10 And if it so be that they will not believe these things, then shall the greater things be withheld from them, unto their condemnation.

 11 Behold, I was about to write them, all which were engraven upon the plates of Nephi, but the Lord forbadeit, saying: I will try the faith of my people. (3 Nephi 26)

 

And so the big question is this: Are you going to give up on your ill-informed false narrative, or are you going to continue pressing on undeterred even though all the rhetorical hot air has been totally let out of your erroneous polemical balloon?

Edited April 19, 2015 by teddyaware

[Calm]

Your graphics are way too huge, either reduce them or I will be reporting them to the mods.  

 

Yes, I have lost patience with them.  They provide no information, in this case just a silly attack and take up way too much of the window.

[Damien the Leper]

Good grief. Could have done without the regurgitated dissertation. Can someone call Russell C. McGregor? Gotta put this one down.

[cinepro]

Bruce mcConkie trying to explain

Our revelations say that the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of Gospel. { D&C 20:9, 27:5. 42:12, 135:3 } This is true in the sense that Book of Mormon is a record of God's dealings with a people who had the fulness of the gospel and therefore the laws and priciples leading to the highest salvation are found recorded in that book. The fullness consists in those laws, doctrines, ordnances, powers, and authorities needed to enable men to gain the fullness of salvation. Mormon Doctrine page 333

in the Book of Mormon means that it contains those instructions a person needs to observe in order to be worthy to enter the presence of God in the celestial kingdom.

The Ensign 09/1985

Fulness of the Gospel,, by fullness of the gospel, is meant all the ordinances and principles that pertain to the exaltation in celestial kingdom…Doctrine of Salvation Vol. 1 page 160 Joseph Fielding Smith.

Sept 1976 Ensign I have a Question

Pearl Of Great Price

34 He said there was a book deposited, written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of this continent, and the source from whence they sprang. He also said that the fulness of the everlasting Gospel was contained in it, as delivered by the Savior to the ancient inhabitants;

Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said: “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”

If above is correct how come none of these teachings exclusive with Mormons ca be found in the Book of Mormon

 

 

I think you're making two mistaken assumptions that are causing your conundrum:

 

1.  Bruce McConkie was often wrong.  You may have discovered some of these instances.  If you could disprove Mormonism by showing McConkie was wrong about stuff, there are far easier and more obvious things he said that were wrong.

 

2. Joseph Smith didn't say the Book of Mormon included the "fulness of the Gospel".  So you're making a bad assumption about what we should expect to be in the Book of Mormon.

Edited April 19, 2015 by cinepro

[HOLY CATHOLIC]

Sorry to deflate your overly inflated balloon (and sorry that you'll soon see you've wasted your time), but this is one of those foolish questions anti-Mormons ask when they haven't bothered to read and ponder the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon itself makes it perfectly that it contains the "LESSER PORTION OF THE WORD OF GOD," and that many of the more advanced Gospel teachings (meatier doctrines) were -- at the specific and very strict command of God Himself -- deliberately left out of the Book of Mormon.

 

As the following verses will more than amply demonstrate, the term "Fulness of the Gospel," when applied to the Book of Mormon, refers to the fulness of the basic principles of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, not to the fulness of the more advanced teachings pertaining to the Gospel. In fact, as I said, Mormon was commanded by the Lord to keep the meatier doctrines out of the Book of Mormon as a way to test the latter-day Gentiles to see if a sufficient number of them would accept the lesser teachings that are contained in our present Book of Mormon before the Lord would reveal the meatier doctrines to the true believers of the latter-days through living prophets.

 

Read and weep:

 

 

7 

But behold the plates of Nephi do contain the more part of the things which he (Christ) taught the people.

 8 And these things have I written, which are a LESSER PART of the things which he taught the people; and I have written them to the intent that they may be brought again unto this people, from the Gentiles, according to the words which Jesus hath spoken.

 9 And when they shall have received this (the spoken of lesser portion of the word), which is expedient that they should have FIRST, to try their faith, and if it shall so be that they shall believe these things then shall the greater things be made manifest unto them.

 10 And if it so be that they will not believe these things, then shall the greater things be withheld from them, unto their condemnation.

 11 Behold, I was about to write them, all which were engraven upon the plates of Nephi, but the Lord forbadeit, saying: I will try the faith of my people. (3 Nephi 26)

 

And so the big question is this: Are you going to give up on your ill-informed false narrative, or are you going to continue pressing on undeterred even though all the rhetorical hot air has been totally let out of your erroneous polemical balloon?

Where and who has these plates I do find the preparatory gospel in the Book of Mormon but the Bible is a better source for that

D&C 84:26 And the lesser priesthood continued, which priesthood holdeth the key of the ministering of angels and the preparatory gospel;

27 Which gospel is the gospel of repentance and of baptism, and the remission of sins, and the law of carnal commandments, which the Lord in his wrath caused to continue with the house of Aaron among the children of Israel until John, whom God raised up, being filled with the Holy Ghost from his mother’s womb.

[CV75]

 

I wish you knew what you were talking about, as this could be a good discussion LOL

[Rivers]

The Book of Mormon teaches the fullness of the Gospel as defined in the Book of Mormon itself. See 3 Nephi 27.

Not the broader definition of the gospel that we commonly use.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ as defined in the Book of Mormon is what is taught in Lesson 3 in the Preach My Gospel manual.

Edited April 19, 2015 by Rivers

[Sevenbak]

Your graphics are way too huge, either reduce them or I will be reporting them to the mods.  

 

 

I don't know, I thought the evil mist coming out of the book kind of looks like the face of Christ, in a weird Shroud of Turin kind of way...

[teddyaware]

But behold the plates of Nephi do contain the more part of the things which he (Christ) taught the people.

 8 And these things have I written, which are a LESSER PART of the things which he taught the people; and I have written them to the intent that they may be brought again unto this people, from the Gentiles, according to the words which Jesus hath spoken.

 9 And when they shall have received this (the spoken of lesser portion of the word), which is expedient that they should have FIRST, to try their faith, and if it shall so be that they shall believe these things then shall the greater things be made manifest unto them.

 10 And if it so be that they will not believe these things, then shall the greater things be withheld from them, unto their condemnation.

 11 Behold, I was about to write them, all which were engraven upon the plates of Nephi, but the Lord forbadeit, saying: I will try the faith of my people. (3 Nephi 26)

 

And so the big question is this: Are you going to give up on your ill-informed false narrative, or are you going to continue pressing on undeterred even though all the rhetorical hot air has been totally let out of your erroneous polemical balloon?

Where and who has these plates I do find the preparatory gospel in the Book of Mormon but the Bible is a better source for that

D&C 84:26 And the lesser priesthood continued, which priesthood holdeth the key of the ministering of angels and the preparatory gospel;

27 Which gospel is the gospel of repentance and of baptism, and the remission of sins, and the law of carnal commandments, which the Lord in his wrath caused to continue with the house of Aaron among the children of Israel until John, whom God raised up, being filled with the Holy Ghost from his mother’s womb.

  

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[Vance]

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Psst! Don't disturb the nutter.  He is still marveling over his own brilliance that he clearly demonstrated in that post.  The fact that normal people only see the ramblings of an idiot won't dissuade him.

Edited April 19, 2015 by Vance

[Sevenbak]

Sorry to deflate your overly inflated balloon (and sorry that you'll soon see you've wasted your time), but this is one of those foolish questions anti-Mormons ask when they haven't bothered to read and ponder the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon itself makes it perfectly that it contains the "LESSER PORTION OF THE WORD OF GOD," and that many of the more advanced Gospel teachings (meatier doctrines) were -- at the specific and very strict command of God Himself -- deliberately left out of the Book of Mormon.

 

As the following verses will more than amply demonstrate, the term "Fulness of the Gospel," when applied to the Book of Mormon, refers to the fulness of the basic principles of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, not to the fulness of the more advanced teachings pertaining to the Gospel. In fact, as I said, Mormon was commanded by the Lord to keep the meatier doctrines out of the Book of Mormon as a way to test the latter-day Gentiles to see if a sufficient number of them would accept the lesser teachings that are contained in our present Book of Mormon before the Lord would reveal the meatier doctrines to the true believers of the latter-days through living prophets.

 

Read and weep:

 

 

7 But behold the plates of Nephi do contain the more part of the things which he (Christ) taught the people.

 8 And these things have I written, which are a LESSER PART of the things which he taught the people; and I have written them to the intent that they may be brought again unto this people, from the Gentiles, according to the words which Jesus hath spoken.

 9 And when they shall have received this (the spoken of lesser portion of the word), which is expedient that they should have FIRST, to try their faith, and if it shall so be that they shall believe these things then shall the greater things be made manifest unto them.

 10 And if it so be that they will not believe these things, then shall the greater things be withheld from them, unto their condemnation.

 11 Behold, I was about to write them, all which were engraven upon the plates of Nephi, but the Lord forbadeit, saying: I will try the faith of my people. (3 Nephi 26)

 

And so the big question is this: Are you going to give up on your ill-informed false narrative, or are you going to continue pressing on undeterred even though all the rhetorical hot air has been totally let out of your erroneous polemical balloon?

Well said!   

 

If you don't mind, I would add the other end, from Alma 12:

 

 

9 It is given unto many to know the mysteries of God; nevertheless they are laid under a strict command that they shall not impart only according to the portion of his word which he doth grant unto the children of men, according to the heed and diligence which they give unto him.

 10 And therefore, he that will harden his heart, the same receiveth the lesser portion of the word; and he that will not harden his heart, to him is given the greater portion of the word, until it is given unto him to know the mysteries of God until he know them in full.

 

 11 And they that will harden their hearts, to them is given the lesser portion of the word until they know nothingconcerning his mysteries; and then they are taken captive by the devil, and led by his will down to destruction. Now this is what is meant by the chains of hell.

[HOLY CATHOLIC]

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Sept 1976 Ensign I have a Question

But the angel Moroni told Joseph Smith that “there was a book deposited, written upon gold plates, … that the fulness of the everlasting Gospel was contained in it, as delivered by the Savior to the ancient inhabitants.” (See JS—H 1:34.) Furthermore, in the Doctrine and Covenants the Lord says several times that the Book of Mormon does contain the fulness of the gospel. (See D&C 20:9, D&C 27:5, D&C 35:17, D&C 42:12.)

What does the Lord mean by the fulness of the gospel? As defined in 3 Nephi 27:13–22, [3 Ne. 27:13–22] it is that Jesus Christ came to the earth to do the will of the Father in providing the atonement in order that man repent and come unto Him. Therefore, those who meet the conditions set forth by the Savior will be held guiltless before the Father at the judgment day. These conditions are (1) to exercise faith in his atoning sacrifice; (2) to repent of all their sins; (3) to be baptized in his name, which implies the authority and proper method which he has outlined for them; and (4) to be sanctified by the reception of the Holy Ghost, which involves being purified and overcoming all evil. Thus, the fulness of the gospel is the plan or the principles and ordinances necessary for man to regain the presence of the Father.

History of the Church 4:461; “I spent the day in the council with the Twelve Apostles at the house of President Young, conversing with them upon a variety of subjects. Brother Joseph Fielding was present, having been absent four years on a mission to England. I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”

o Timothy Berman

o Book of Mormon and the Fulness of the Gospel http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon_and_the_fulness_of_the_gospel D&C 84:26 And the lesser priesthood continued, which priesthood holdeth the key of the ministering of angels and the preparatory gospel;

27 Which gospel is the gospel of repentance and of baptism, and the remission of sins, and the law of carnal commandments, which the Lord in his wrath caused to continue with the house of Aaron among the children of Israel until John, whom God raised up, being filled with the Holy Ghost from his mother’s womb.

Edited April 19, 2015 by HOLY CATHOLIC

[HOLY CATHOLIC]

COUNSEL GIVEN BY PRESIDENT CHARLES W. PENROSE

Now, some of our brethren have taken up quite a discussion as to the fulness of the everlasting gospel. We are told that the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the gospel, that those who like to get up a dispute, say that the Book of Mormon does not contain any reference to the work of salvation for the dead and that there are many other things pertaining to the gospel that are not developed in that book, and yet we are told that the book contains "the fulness of the everlasting gospel." Well, what is the fulness of the gospel? You read carefully the revelation in regard to the three glories, Section 76, in the Doctrine and Covenants, and you find there defined what the gospel is. There God, the Eternal Father, and Jesus Christ, his Son, and the Holy Ghost, are held up as the three Persons in the Trinity—the one God, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, all three being one God. When people believe in that doctrine and obey the ordinances which are spoken of in the same list of principles, you get the fulness of the gospel for this reason: If you really believe so as to have faith in our Eternal Father and in his Son, Jesus Christ, the Redeemer, and will hear him, you will learn ail about what is needed to be done for the salvation of the living and redemption of the dead.

When people believe and repent and are baptized by divine authority, and the Holy Ghost is conferred upon them as a gift, they receive the everlasting gospel. We used to call it, and it is now called in the revelations, the "gift of the Holy Ghost," the Holy Spirit that proceeds from the Father through the immensity of space, which guides, directs, enlightens, which is light in and of itself, which is the Spirit of intelligence, the light of truth.

(General Conference Report, April 1922, pp. 27-28.)

interesting how a man made teaching can be so confusing

[UtahTexan]

What exactly is the question or issue for this thread or is it simply an exercise to throw spaghetti at the wall and hope that some of it sticks to refute LDS views?  Do you really think that the term "fullness of the gospel" means every doctrinal issue that exists? 

 

Dunno...let's go ask Cardinal Law if he will sell us some indulgences.......

[UtahTexan]

C

interesting how a man made teaching can be so confusing

 

Like the selling of indulgences?  Or the policies in place that led to the priest scandal?  Or celibacy?  can you be more specific please?

Edited April 19, 2015 by CountryBoy

[3DOP]

Like the selling of indulgences?  Or the policies in place that led to the priest scandal?  Or celibacy?  can you be more specific please?

 

He doesn't go to Holy Rosary. He goes to New Heights Church about five miles away from where I live. I am Roman Catholic. He is not. 

 

As for indulgences or celibacy, I'll be most happy to defend either if you have any questions.

[UtahTexan]

He doesn't go to Holy Rosary. He goes to New Heights Church about five miles away from where I live. I am Roman Catholic. He is not. 

 

As for indulgences or celibacy, I'll be most happy to defend either if you have any questions.

 

You can explain, you cannot defend.  I cannot find anywhere where indulgences were to be sold for money......

 

As for celibacy...since Peter was your first Pope...what was his marital status?

 

For that matter, what did the Bible say should be charged for baptisms?  Marriage?  funerals?

 

How much did the Apostles earn?

 

Just curious

Edited April 19, 2015 by CountryBoy

[HOLY CATHOLIC]

You can explain, you cannot defend.  I cannot find anywhere where indulgences were to be sold for money......

 

As for celibacy...since Peter was your first Pope...what was his marital status?

The Gospel has nothing to family including wives

Luke 18:29 “Yes,” Jesus replied, “and everyone who has done as you have, leaving home, wife, brothers, parents, or children for the sake of the Kingdom of God, 30will be repaid many times over now, as well as receiving eternal life in the world to come.”

[JAHS]

The word "Gospel" itself means “good news". The "good news" of Jesus Christ does not have to include every single doctrine and teaching that God would ever want us to know. If this were true then the Bible would also not contain the fullness of the Gospel. Shortly before Christ was crucified He told His apostles;

 

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now." (John 16:12)

 

He never got a chance to tell them these "many things" before He died. Therefore the Bible does not contain all the teachings that Christ wanted us to know. 

This "good news" that Christ brought to us is described by Jesus Himself in the Book of Mormon:

 

“Behold I have given unto you my gospel, and this is the gospel which I have given unto you—that I came into the world to do the will of my Father, because my Father sent me.” 

 

The Savior then reviewed for the Nephites the facts of the Atonement, including the need to repent, be baptized, receive the Holy Ghost, and endure to the end. (See 3 Ne. 27:13-22.) This then is Christ's own definition of the Gospel. It is the "good news" that He came to tell everyone about. It is all recorded in the Book of Mormon; therefore the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of the gospel or the "good news" of Jesus Christ. Other things He wants us to know will be revealed to us through His prophets.