Duncan Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Okay I'll tell you the story. At Church today this lady gave a talk about Temples. She explained how last year she bought Temple clothing and two ladies were ahead of her were in line. One of these ladies explained to the clerk that her hubbie had died the day before and he was endowed but didn't have a recommend. The Clerk said that she couldn't bury him with the proper attire...without him having a recommend. Basically, no recommend then no burial with the proper clothing, that he would not sell to this lady. This speaker lady thought that it was a great example to her about "spiritual seperators" and the wheat from the chaff. Personally, I thought it was a stupid story and to me it doesn't sound right and should never have happened. My question is if the endowed guy died without a recommend and his active family wants him to be buried with the clothing on then should he be buried with the clothing regardless of the recommend? The clerk doesn't know this man's life and if he is or wasn't worthy than who are the people involved to make the determination is what I think. Ego aside what do you think? 2
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Only those endowed can be buried in Temple Clothing...it has nothing to do with having a recommend.
Popular Post bluebell Posted November 24, 2013 Popular Post Posted November 24, 2013 A person does not need to have a recommend to be buried in temple clothing. They just need to have been endowed. 5
rpn Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 (edited) And, for those who don't know, you can get specific burial temple clothes ---- they are made easier to dress bodies in. But you can also use the ones you've used your whole life if you'd rather. It just isn't as easy to do. OP, please ask the lady to call the supervisor so the incorrect info will not be given again. Edited November 24, 2013 by rpn 4
Tacenda Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Yep, my mom had Ahlzheimers when she died, no current recommend. My sisters and I made sure she had her temple clothing on. That salesperson was up in the night. And the story un-Christlike, how that woman whose husband just died must have felt, sad.
Duncan Posted November 24, 2013 Author Posted November 24, 2013 And, for those who don't know, you can get specific burial temple clothes ---- they are made easier to dress bodies in. But you can also use the ones you've used your whole life if you'd rather. It just isn't as easy to do. OP, please ask the lady to call the supervisor so the incorrect info will not be given again. wish I could!! the lady was the wife of a Temple Pres. member and they were in town to speak
Duncan Posted November 24, 2013 Author Posted November 24, 2013 Yep, my mom had Ahlzheimers when she died, no current recommend. My sisters and I made sure she had her temple clothing on. That salesperson was up in the night. And the story un-Christlike, how that woman whose husband just died must have felt, sad. she made mention of that fact that this woman had two problems now, the death of her husband and how he couldn't be buried in Temple clothing
ksfisher Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 (edited) 18.6.6 Burial or CremationWhere possible, deceased members who were endowed should be buried in temple clothing. Where cultural traditions or burial practices make this inappropriate or difficult, the clothing may be folded and placed next to the body in the casket.From Handbook 2 Edited November 24, 2013 by ksfisher 2
ERayR Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Have the lady get in touch with her bishop. We keep two sets(one men's, one women's) of temple clothes on hand. 1
strappinglad Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Sounds like the stiff and gnarled fingers of bureaucratic policy reaching out and snatching common sense and compassion. 2
Calm Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Ego aside what do you think?The clerk needs to refresh his memory on the policy. 2
Garden Girl Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) Duncan...I feel terrible for this lady whose husband died, and because of some clerk who did not know what he was talking about she didn't bury him in his temple clothing. Is there any way your bishop can contact the supervisors of that clerk where this happened so they can correct him so that he doesn't do any more damage.We have elderly inactive people who are endowed buried in their temple clothing all the time. I've even washed and dressed such a deceased sister for her burial. GG Edited November 25, 2013 by Garden Girl 1
mfbukowski Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Maybe the issue is that you cannot buy temple clothing without a recommend? It doesn't sound like the problem is because he was inactive, it's because he didn't have a rec. and so couldn't buy the clothes.
bluebell Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Maybe the issue is that you cannot buy temple clothing without a recommend?It doesn't sound like the problem is because he was inactive, it's because he didn't have a rec. and so couldn't buy the clothes.It seems like the real hurdle to him buying the clothes is less his lapsed temple recommend and more his being dead. Just saying.... 2
Traela Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Maybe the issue is that you cannot buy temple clothing without a recommend? It doesn't sound like the problem is because he was inactive, it's because he didn't have a rec. and so couldn't buy the clothes.The wife could have bought the clothing using her own recommend.
Duncan Posted November 25, 2013 Author Posted November 25, 2013 Duncan...I feel terrible for this lady whose husband died, and because of some clerk who did not know what he was talking about she didn't bury him in his temple clothing. Is there any way your bishop can contact the supervisors of that clerk where this happened so they can correct him so that he doesn't do any more damage.We have elderly inactive people who are endowed buried in their temple clothing all the time. I've even washed and dressed such a deceased sister for her burial. GG That is a good idea! it happened somewhere else, where I don't know but somewhere where they sell Temple clothing
mfbukowski Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 The wife could have bought the clothing using her own recommend.It wasn't stated that she had one was it? I don't see why this is such a big deal. All she had to do is ask someone else to buy the clothes- problem solved.
bluebell Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 It wasn't stated that she had one was it?I don't see why this is such a big deal. All she had to do is ask someone else to buy the clothes- problem solved.If you re-read the OP, the clerk specifically said that if the deceased brother didn't have a recommend that he couldn't be buried in temple clothes. The OP makes it sound like the clerk was telling the wife that he wasn't worthy to be buried in temple clothes. Let's hope she asked someone else and didn't just take the clerk's word for it. 2
pogi Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 If I had my choice, donate all my organs and bury me naked in the shallow earth with no casket or covering. What is not used to bless man would be used to beautify the earth. My wife would never go for that though.
Calm Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Neither would the government.I've told my family and marked my license...donate my organs where possible, send my brain to be used for research on RLS (if they are still asking for them), let med students play with the rest and burn the remains once everyone is through. I am not particularly fond of my body these days and have no sentimental attachement to it now...never had much of one ever in fact. 1
Calm Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Looks like I am wrong. Laws have changed since I last looked into it. I like the idea of being buried in my quilt.http://www.greenburials.org/ 1
sdc999 Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 And, for those who don't know, you can get specific burial temple clothes ---- they are made easier to dress bodies in. But you can also use the ones you've used your whole life if you'd rather. It just isn't as easy to do. OP, please ask the lady to call the supervisor so the incorrect info will not be given again.I was asked to help dress a friend's FIL once. Wish we had the easy ones. But they just wanted the garments and regular clothes. Regular clothes for this guy was starched jeans, boots and a starched shirt. It became quite comical by the end although it should have been a solemn event. But alas, the mortician was in the room with us (there was another body in the room so he couldn't/wouldn't leave us). And after he let us struggle for some time trying to get this guys pants buttoned, we heard a strange sound. We turned to see him with a pair of scissors smiling at us. He then shared the business secret that nobody will ever see their backs, so we cut the outfit down the back and all was well. His boots never made it securely on his feet either.
mfbukowski Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 If I had my choice, donate all my organs and bury me naked in the shallow earth with no casket or covering. What is not used to bless man would be used to beautify the earth. My wife would never go for that though. Yep I agree. I'd actually prefer no grave at all. I love the idea of my body feeding the trees and grasses and my elements being spread though the universe. But you know how these women are. 1
mfbukowski Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Looks like I am wrong. Laws have changed since I last looked into it. I like the idea of being buried in my quilt.http://www.greenburials.org/Cool- thanks for the link
Calm Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Now I need to figure out how to share this with my dad...I had him convinced he wanted to get cremated and scattered over Half Dome (might not be legal though I don't know why not, but who is going to stop you if they don't know what the ashes actually are ) until one of his grandkids was horrified at the thought of his body being burned. It was different talking about it 15 years ago...now it is getting a lot closer for him at the age of 84....his parents made it to beyond 90 as did his grandparents though.
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