MustardSeed Posted October 28, 2024 Posted October 28, 2024 1 minute ago, Teancum said: What is the destroying angel and how does obeying to WoW protect one from this thing? Personally, I believe if somebody’s going to go to the effort of living the spirit of word of wisdom, they are also probably going to be the type of person who is conscientious of how they’re treating their body. They are probably going to exercise, sleep, and they’re probably going to be moderate with regards to indulgences like sugar etc. so it’s likely that they will be healthier on average than someone who disregards healthy practices. I don’t believe the word of wisdom prevents the misfortune of things like cancer, flu, hangnails, human realities of all sorts.
Teancum Posted October 29, 2024 Posted October 29, 2024 11 minutes ago, MustardSeed said: Personally, I believe if somebody’s going to go to the effort of living the spirit of word of wisdom, they are also probably going to be the type of person who is conscientious of how they’re treating their body. They are probably going to exercise, sleep, and they’re probably going to be moderate with regards to indulgences like sugar etc. so it’s likely that they will be healthier on average than someone who disregards healthy practices. Well in my experience most active members will obey the do nots that the must obey to go to the temple and be in good standing. All the rest is pretty much ignored. Latter day Saints in America, like much of the population, are over weight, eat to much garbage food and sugar and other processed food, do not eat meat sparingly etc. So what they may pat themselves on their backs for not smoking, drinking doing drugs etc, their other habits are just as destructive health wise. And oh exercise. Not mush effort there. But they think that God will bless their health anyway. 🙄 11 minutes ago, MustardSeed said: I don’t believe the word of wisdom prevents the misfortune of things like cancer, flu, hangnails, human realities of all sorts. Same here. So what is the destroying angel then and what protection does the WoW really do to help them. And by the way coffee and tea are good for you. I can't stand coffee but I sure enjoy a variety of teas both herbal, black, green and white. I enjoy this very much. Alcohol is just bad and studies show even a moderate drinking habit really is not good for you. Not even the old one or two glasses of wine a day are not good for you. 2
CV75 Posted October 29, 2024 Posted October 29, 2024 58 minutes ago, Teancum said: What is the destroying angel and how does obeying to WoW protect one from this thing? Your coffee breath ; from such I turn away.
Popular Post california boy Posted October 29, 2024 Popular Post Posted October 29, 2024 56 minutes ago, MustardSeed said: Personally, I believe if somebody’s going to go to the effort of living the spirit of word of wisdom, they are also probably going to be the type of person who is conscientious of how they’re treating their body. They are probably going to exercise, sleep, and they’re probably going to be moderate with regards to indulgences like sugar etc. so it’s likely that they will be healthier on average than someone who disregards healthy practices. I don’t believe the word of wisdom prevents the misfortune of things like cancer, flu, hangnails, human realities of all sorts. Sometimes I wonder if any minds are changed by the discussions we have on this board. Oddly enough, this subject came up about a month ago and I seriously thought about my habit of drinking 2-3 cans of Coke Zero every day. I know it is not good for me, and after looking at coffee and tea, I decided that it would be more healthy for me to drink some coffee and less Coke Zero. So for the past month, I have been working on that, and I have cut down the amount of Coke Zero quite a bit. My coffee consumption was almost nonexistent before this experiment. Now I am drinking a couple of cups a day. I think personally, I am more aligned with the spirit of the WoW, but then since I am not a member, I don't really care about temple recommends or living a law just out of obedience. Instead, I believe I have changed to more living the spirit of the law. At least in my point of view. 7
MustardSeed Posted October 29, 2024 Posted October 29, 2024 2 minutes ago, california boy said: Sometimes I wonder if any minds are changed by the discussions we have on this board. Oddly enough, this subject came up about a month ago and I seriously thought about my habit of drinking 2-3 cans of Coke Zero every day. I know it is not good for me, and after looking at coffee and tea, I decided that it would be more healthy for me to drink some coffee and less Coke Zero. So for the past month, I have been working on that, and I have cut down the amount of Coke Zero quite a bit. My coffee consumption was almost nonexistent before this experiment. Now I am drinking a couple of cups a day. I think personally, I am more aligned with the spirit of the WoW, but then since I am not a member, I don't really care about temple recommends or living a law just out of obedience. Instead, I believe I have changed to more living the spirit of the law. At least in my point of view. In my opinion, you are in search of personal improvement. Also, in my opinion, coffee is less bad than soda. Next would be a big old glass of water, but baby steps, right? 😍 I’m trying really hard not to purchase a cold A&W zero this week. 1
Popular Post MustardSeed Posted October 29, 2024 Popular Post Posted October 29, 2024 53 minutes ago, Teancum said: Latter day Saints in America, like much of the population, are over weight, I’m not going to CFR this but my fat caboose is feeling kind of defensive right now. 5
blackstrap Posted October 29, 2024 Posted October 29, 2024 There are very few commandments that do not come with nuance/ exceptions. coffee is good for you or bad for you depending on the study, kind of like eggs . I may have mentioned in the past that I knew of a guy who drank 66 cups of expresso a day. When he was taught the WoW he quit in 2 weeks , down to 33 per day one week and to zero the next. He said he had a bad head ache for a while. I wonder if obeying the WoW kept the destroying angel away from his door . Maybe. Drinking 2 liters of Cola a day is not spoken about in the WoW specifically so go for it ! NOT !
Popular Post JVW Posted October 29, 2024 Popular Post Posted October 29, 2024 5 hours ago, Teancum said: What is the destroying angel and how does obeying to WoW protect one from this thing? I think this is a very good question. My mother was diagnosed earlier this year, at the age of 60, with stage 4 lung cancer and she's probably going to be dead by Christmas. During a conversation with her about a month ago she started crying a bit and asked me, "I've lived the word of wisdom all my life when my friends chose to make other choices. There's no history of cancer in my family, no smoking, drugs, or drinking, and the promise is to walk and not faint and have the destroying angel pass by. Why is this happening to me?" I didn't have an answer and I still don't. But even ignoring this exceptional case, the word of wisdom is such a nebulous commandment, and the way it's taught is so different from the D&C, it's difficult to know if I'm even living it or not, and who knows what walk and not faint and destroying angel even means? 5
JVW Posted October 29, 2024 Posted October 29, 2024 On a side note did you know it's more healthy to drink non-diet sodas than it is to drink diet sodas? This is because if you ingest real sugar you brain can reach a point in which it gets "sugared out" but if you ingest fake sugars your body processes it like real sugar, but you can just keep drinking it without ever getting sick of it.
MustardSeed Posted October 29, 2024 Posted October 29, 2024 8 hours ago, JVW said: On a side note did you know it's more healthy to drink non-diet sodas than it is to drink diet sodas? This is because if you ingest real sugar you brain can reach a point in which it gets "sugared out" but if you ingest fake sugars your body processes it like real sugar, but you can just keep drinking it without ever getting sick of it. And then what? Like if I drink one diet soda per day, what is that doing? I believe it’s bad because I’ve been told so but don’t know why it’s bad.
JVW Posted October 29, 2024 Posted October 29, 2024 1 hour ago, MustardSeed said: And then what? Like if I drink one diet soda per day, what is that doing? I believe it’s bad because I’ve been told so but don’t know why it’s bad. My step om is a diet coke drinker she drinks it basically as a replacement for water, and I know of many people that drink at least 44 oz a day of the stuff. I don't know if there's a difference between fake and normal if someone is only having 30-40 grams of sugar. I would think it depends on the type of fake sugar, but I haven't done any serious research into it. Also my comment earlier wasn't directed at you, you just reminded me of it and I think it's an interesting thing.
Popular Post bluebell Posted October 29, 2024 Popular Post Posted October 29, 2024 1 hour ago, MustardSeed said: And then what? Like if I drink one diet soda per day, what is that doing? I believe it’s bad because I’ve been told so but don’t know why it’s bad. It used to be taught that diet soda raises causes insulin resistance due completely to it's sweet taste. Now science is backing off on that and saying it's not true. I think that half of our problem in this country is how screwed up our views of food are due to all the 'studies' about what is healthy and what isn't, and all the times those studies have been proven wrong later. 5
Calm Posted October 29, 2024 Posted October 29, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, MustardSeed said: And then what? Like if I drink one diet soda per day, what is that doing? I believe it’s bad because I’ve been told so but don’t know why it’s bad. One claim is it damages the nerves in the part of the brain that satisfies satiation. I have also heard the same claim for eating highly processed foods. I have not heard it from reputable sources though. Another claim is because it triggers insulin because the body thinks it is getting sugar but provides no sugar for the insulin to interact with, it drops your blood sugar and makes you hungrier. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/search/research-news/14744/#:~:text=Diet soda may prompt food cravings%2C especially,women and people with obesity&text=New research adds to growing,increased hunger and weight gain. But other data contradicts those claims as Bluebell says. I like to use examine.com that summarizes the current state of research for nutrition. https://examine.com/faq/is-diet-soda-bad-for-you/ Another theory behind why those drinking diet soda gain more weight than those who do not is that those who drink it think they can eat more calories than they should because they have a belief that with the diet soda they are consuming much less calories than they actually are (assuming you eat less is very typical anyway according to studies, but it’s supposedly even worse). Edited October 29, 2024 by Calm 2
Rain Posted October 29, 2024 Posted October 29, 2024 (edited) 10 hours ago, JVW said: On a side note did you know it's more healthy to drink non-diet sodas than it is to drink diet sodas? This is because if you ingest real sugar you brain can reach a point in which it gets "sugared out" but if you ingest fake sugars your body processes it like real sugar, but you can just keep drinking it without ever getting sick of it. This idea doesn't make diet soda less healthy. We would never call a cupcake with half the sugar less healthy yet the same idea applies. What is less healthy is drinking or eating less mindlessly. The carbs are just one of the signals to your brain/parts of the process. Edited October 29, 2024 by Rain 1
Malc Posted October 29, 2024 Posted October 29, 2024 10 hours ago, JVW said: I think this is a very good question. My mother was diagnosed earlier this year, at the age of 60, with stage 4 lung cancer and she's probably going to be dead by Christmas. During a conversation with her about a month ago she started crying a bit and asked me, "I've lived the word of wisdom all my life when my friends chose to make other choices. There's no history of cancer in my family, no smoking, drugs, or drinking, and the promise is to walk and not faint and have the destroying angel pass by. Why is this happening to me?" I didn't have an answer and I still don't. But even ignoring this exceptional case, the word of wisdom is such a nebulous commandment, and the way it's taught is so different from the D&C, it's difficult to know if I'm even living it or not, and who knows what walk and not faint and destroying angel even means? Sorry to hear this, JVW. I hope that you and your family are able to spend time with your mom, and are able to comfort her in the weeks ahead. In the end, though, IMO there is no answer to that question. 4
Teancum Posted October 29, 2024 Posted October 29, 2024 14 hours ago, CV75 said: Your coffee breath ; from such I turn away. 😁🤣 That was pretty funny. 1
longview Posted October 29, 2024 Posted October 29, 2024 (edited) 11 hours ago, JVW said: On a side note did you know it's more healthy to drink non-diet sodas than it is to drink diet sodas? This is because if you ingest real sugar you brain can reach a point in which it gets "sugared out" but if you ingest fake sugars your body processes it like real sugar, but you can just keep drinking it without ever getting sick of it. Another thing to consider is that excess sugar cause inflammation in the body. Which causes insulin and cholesterol to spike. Which can lead to diabetes and heart diseases. The reason why cholesterol spikes is because the lining of blood vessels is inflamed. Cholesterol is used to "cover" the inflamed linings like a bandage. But that leads to clogging of the arteries. My doctor wanted me to get on blood pressure and cholesterol medication but I chose to NOT fill the prescription. I asked him why are we merely treating the symptoms but NOT working on the underlying causes. I put my focus on minimizing sugar and salt consumption. For the last 15 years I have stopped drinking soda pop with the exception of rootbeer a couple times a year. Edited October 29, 2024 by longview
california boy Posted October 29, 2024 Posted October 29, 2024 I have read various studies pointing to the fact that artificial sweeteners do cause problems. Whether it is more than drinking a lot of sugar seems unclear. I don't have a weight issue. I weigh the same as I did in high school. So that wasn't a factor in my decision to substitute coffee for Coke Zero. Studies seem to agree that soda in general is not a good choice. Coffee on the other hand in moderation doesn't seem to carry that same condemation. Some studies even claim health benefits from drinking coffee. So between soda and coffee, coffee clearly stands out as the better alternative. 2
Calm Posted October 29, 2024 Posted October 29, 2024 10 hours ago, JVW said: I didn't have an answer and I still don't. I don’t believe there is an answer you can give her besides having faith that she will find the answer in the world to come. All else is speculation. Telling her that she doesn’t know all the times she was saved prior to this as I have heard some speculate is not likely to be comforting, but it also makes sense that if one is protected from harm one is often unlikely to be aware of it…but one would also be unaware of being protected if one was not actually protected. So nothing is proven one way or the other. Thus it all depends on faith. I am so sorry for your mother and your family. She is a few years younger than I am and my family would have a very hard time dealing with something like this. I hope you all may find peace somehow. 2
Calm Posted October 29, 2024 Posted October 29, 2024 (edited) 15 minutes ago, longview said: I put my focus on minimizing sugar and salt consumption. For the last 15 years I have stopped drinking soda pop with the exception of rootbeer a couple times a year. Minimizing sugar and salt is one of the best things I have done for myself even though I was never a big sugar user (my mom was really into nutrition and that stuck with me; besides the sugar, soda always seemed expensive comparatively speaking to me given the cost of water), dropping sugar quite low is still helpful. Well worth the sacrifice. Many things with sugar now taste rather bland to me now my tastebuds aren’t craving the sweetness. I have no desire to drink soda as it is tasteless to me now except for very strong ginger beer…and while I do love the sensation of the bubbles ‘burning’ my throat, I enjoy my ginger lemon tea as much. I am finding using small amounts of maple syrup to sweeten is more satisfying than larger amounts of sucrose as maple syrup has additional flavor (trying to find options that satisfy other family members) Edited October 29, 2024 by Calm
Calm Posted October 29, 2024 Posted October 29, 2024 There might be a connection between kidney stones and drinking sodas…I am assuming diet soda carries the same risk if the problem is drinking less water and a not great diet overall. https://compurocare.com/the-kidney-stone-soda-connection/#:~:text=Soda and Your Urological Health&text=Soda drinkers generally don't,chance of forming kidney stones. https://examine.com/research-feed/study/17Jgyd/
MustardSeed Posted October 29, 2024 Posted October 29, 2024 2 hours ago, JVW said: Also my comment earlier wasn't directed at you, you just reminded me of it and I think it's an interesting thing. No worries mate, I didn’t take it personally, but I see that my reply looks specifically defensive. I am genuinely interested in how foods are affecting me, And how maybe I don’t have to feel guilty with certain things. I have believed for some time that soy is terrible but recently learned that this might be false info. Remember when eggs used to be the worst thing you could put in your body? Or butter? And now eggs are superfood providing the protein that is apparently the hottest trend. My husband recently saw a nutritionist. He was told to stop intermittent fasting, stop dieting, stop by identifying foods as good and bad, eat four food groups with every meal ( larger meals) and that eventually his cravings will go away, and he will lose weight and reduce his cholesterol issues. They didn’t even tell him to stop drinking his energy drinks. 4
MustardSeed Posted October 29, 2024 Posted October 29, 2024 1 hour ago, california boy said: So between soda and coffee, coffee clearly stands out as the better alternative. I don’t have any doubt that black coffee is basically harmless, even though the word of wisdom would suggest differently. 2
Rain Posted October 29, 2024 Posted October 29, 2024 1 hour ago, MustardSeed said: No worries mate, I didn’t take it personally, but I see that my reply looks specifically defensive. I am genuinely interested in how foods are affecting me, And how maybe I don’t have to feel guilty with certain things. I have believed for some time that soy is terrible but recently learned that this might be false info. Remember when eggs used to be the worst thing you could put in your body? Or butter? And now eggs are superfood providing the protein that is apparently the hottest trend. My husband recently saw a nutritionist. He was told to stop intermittent fasting, stop dieting, stop by identifying foods as good and bad, eat four food groups with every meal ( larger meals) and that eventually his cravings will go away, and he will lose weight and reduce his cholesterol issues. They didn’t even tell him to stop drinking his energy drinks. That has some things in common with intuitive eating. Not the idea of losing weight, but not identifying foods as good or bad and eating, stop dieting and more of the food groups in meals or snacks. The idea is really just listening for what your body needs and your body will become what is best for it. 3
Teancum Posted October 29, 2024 Posted October 29, 2024 20 hours ago, MustardSeed said: I’m not going to CFR this but my fat caboose is feeling kind of defensive right now. Just an observation. 🙃
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