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Consider this:

  • So far in 2023, the Utah Department of Public Safety reported 63 hate crimes against LGBTQ people.
  • In 2022, there were 32 crimes against that same group.
  • In 2021, there were 15 hate crimes.
  • In 2020, there were two hate crimes.
  • In 2019, there were four hate crimes.

The source is a treasure trove for data nerds like me.

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I wish we knew how this data gets reported.  I also wish we could break down the anti-lgbt crimes by type.   According to the top chart, the only 2023 category that grew to larger than prior years, would be "All other larceny".   It would be nice to know how much of the jump is larceny related, and how much is more serious stuff.

Larceny, vandalism, and intimidation aren't good things.  I'm against them, whether they're targeted against a specific class of people or not.  But hooray that they make up 60% of the crimes, because they're pretty dang minor.  That's "they tore down/stole my gay pride flag" stuff, and "they were shouting threats at me" stuff.   

(Full transparency: Even though minor, they are not good.  I am not attempting to dismiss or minimize them.  They are valid hate crimes.  I'm against them.  I would be willing to speak out against, even testify against, someone "on my side" if they engaged in such behavior.  I would be willing to go use my height and size and muscle and gender and white privileges to go stand between a potential LGBT victim and a potential aggressor.  I have done this on two prior occasions.  I wish more folks also felt the same way about the BLM riots and mayhem and vandalism and theft.)

Simple assault is a wide range.   One end is "I was shouting obscenities at them in public and they tried to grab my camera, but I backed up in time".  The other end is "they pushed me into the street and I fell down and got a concussion and almost got run over by a car".  

 

I don't really have any point in this post, other than I like data and continuously desire more data.   If you need a point, it would be something like "How ironic to hear someone who publicly advocates committing acts of violence against a group of people, calling foul on such things.  Gotta punch them nazis, right?"

 

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1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

Utah has more reported hate crimes about the LGBT community this year than the last four years combined.

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2023/9/25/23889540/hate-crimes-rising-in-utah-lgbtq-kings-english-bomb-threat

The propaganda is working. Making the marginalized into an existential threat is a time-tested method of increasing harassment and persecution.

It seems like lgbtq+ people are more accepted now than they've ever been though.  Even by groups that previously didn't accept them at all.  

Posted
5 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Utah has more reported hate crimes about the LGBT community this year than the last four years combined.

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2023/9/25/23889540/hate-crimes-rising-in-utah-lgbtq-kings-english-bomb-threat

The propaganda is working. Making the marginalized into an existential threat is a time-tested method of increasing harassment and persecution.

 

Utah has 21 categories for which penalty enhancements can be applied.

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LGBT+ persecution explodes as the LDS persecution disappears... Weird. Why? Do we have data on the suspected parties responsible?

Is it LDS? LDS persecution exploded in 2017. Is this retaliation? Push back? Its somehow strangely effectively preventing LDS from being persecuted.

Are Non-LDS responsible? Is it another party, a Non-LDS group that used to target LDS and switched gears to attack LGBT+. Or are both LDS and Non-LDS doing it in a weird truce? Deznats?

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21 hours ago, bluebell said:

It seems like lgbtq+ people are more accepted now than they've ever been though.  Even by groups that previously didn't accept them at all.  

My guess is that with increased acceptance comes increased resistance/fear/hate.  Their way of life and thinking is being threatened with all the acceptance messaging, and there will predictably be a counter-offensive. 

It's all the gay's fault, don't you know?  I have heard it before.   

 

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Posted (edited)
43 minutes ago, Calm said:

What makes you say this?

Looking at LoudmouthMormon's chart, Anti-Mormon Hate Crime in purple 2023

The same 9 months the LGBT+ purple 2023 spikes inspiring this article, if I'm not mistaken.

And I could be mistaken, I only skimmed but I'm sure I see the chart says Anti-Mormon Hate Crime is super low in 2023. I'm rushed, heading out the door.

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36 minutes ago, Pyreaux said:

Looking at LoudmouthMormon's chart, Anti-Mormon Hate Crime in purple 2023

The same 9 months the LGBT+ purple 2023 spikes inspiring this article, if I'm not mistaken.

And I could be mistaken, I only skimmed but I'm sure I see the chart says Anti-Mormon Hate Crime is super low in 2023. I'm rushed, heading out the door.

I doubt it’s nine months given most stats lag at least a few months,  better to just look at 2022 imo.  Stuff often doesn’t get reported right away if they are gathering state/nationwide.

Wasn’t there several incidents of arson and vandalism against chapels last year (or was it earlier)?  Maybe they caught the guy who did it.

With such small numbers over all, it only needs one person doing a couple of crimes to jump the rate way up and then cause numbers to appear to dramatically drop when they stop.

For the anti-Mormon acts, that are only 27 acts spread over 5 years for an average of 5 a year.  Even the largest appears to only be around 15, the smallest is 1.  One or two angry or bored teens could have been the reasons for that difference.

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Posted
2 hours ago, pogi said:

My guess is that with increased acceptance comes increased resistance/fear/hate.  Their way of life and thinking is being threatened with all the acceptance messaging, and there will predictably be a counter-offensive. 

It's all the gay's fault, don't you know?  I have heard it before.   

 

I'm sure you are right in that some people do push back more when they believe they are being forced into accepting something they don't like.  But "increased" above what it used to be before gays and lesbians and transgender people were greatly accepted and even celebrated in most of society and there were laws protecting some of their basic rights?

Any persecution is horrible and should never be tolerated.  

Posted
9 minutes ago, bluebell said:

But "increased" above what it used to be before gays and lesbians and transgender people were greatly accepted and even celebrated in most of society and there were laws protecting some of their basic rights?

Any persecution is horrible and should never be tolerated.  

I don't have data to prove this, but my instinct tells me that while there may not be more persecution overall, I think the severity of persecution has likely increased to reportable levels.   So, while there might be overall less bullying, there may be more reportable hate crimes.  That's my best guess. 

Posted
11 minutes ago, SteveO said:

What percentage wind up being fabrications/hoaxes?

Is there any indication that has increased from previous years? 

Posted
7 minutes ago, pogi said:

Is there any indication that has increased from previous years? 

That’s why I’m asking the question.

There’s not just money in grifting, there’s also attention, interest, notoriety, and interaction from posting your *ahem* “experiences” to social media

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Just now, SteveO said:

That’s why I’m asking the question.

There’s not just money in grifting, there’s also attention, interest, notoriety, and interaction from posting your *ahem* “experiences” to social media

That has always been the case.  Why would that have changed in the last few years. 

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5 minutes ago, pogi said:

That has always been the case.  Why would that have changed in the last few years. 

Because I think the the demand for homophobia, and all the other alphabet phobias exceeds the supply

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On 9/26/2023 at 2:25 PM, The Nehor said:

Utah has more reported hate crimes about the LGBT community this year than the last four years combined.

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2023/9/25/23889540/hate-crimes-rising-in-utah-lgbtq-kings-english-bomb-threat

The propaganda is working. Making the marginalized into an existential threat is a time-tested method of increasing harassment and persecution.

There may be other reasons.  I have heard more about LGBT in the last year than in the first 40 years of my life.   We don't have a pride day.  We have a pride MONTH.  Just a constant drum beat so some people just may be getting sick of all of it.  I am not for people committing hate crimes but it is predictable that some people may just get fed up with it all over time.  So I am not shocked at all and mostly likely it will get worse in the years ahead.

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On 9/26/2023 at 3:25 PM, The Nehor said:

Utah has more reported hate crimes about the LGBT community this year than the last four years combined.

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2023/9/25/23889540/hate-crimes-rising-in-utah-lgbtq-kings-english-bomb-threat

The propaganda is working. Making the marginalized into an existential threat is a time-tested method of increasing harassment and persecution.

 

I tend to think the article is somewhat irresponsible.

It refers to "reported", anyone can report, and that same person can claim they were targeted based on a protected status.

As for the Pride Flags, and Utah's victim targeting enhancement, was it done because it was pride flags, OR was it the person don't think any flag other than the US flag should be displayed - the first instance could be based on protected "class", the second situation is would not likely based on a protected "class"

 

Overall, it is unfortunate that interactions that other feel attacked because of a protected status

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Posted
On 9/26/2023 at 2:25 PM, The Nehor said:

Utah has more reported hate crimes about the LGBT community this year than the last four years combined.

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2023/9/25/23889540/hate-crimes-rising-in-utah-lgbtq-kings-english-bomb-threat

The propaganda is working. Making the marginalized into an existential threat is a time-tested method of increasing harassment and persecution.

Here's another one
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Berthoud vandalized with anti-Mormon sentiments

Posted
On 9/26/2023 at 3:25 PM, The Nehor said:

Utah Hate Crimes on the Rise, the Propaganda is working

Could you clarify what "propaganda" you are referencing here?

On 9/26/2023 at 3:25 PM, The Nehor said:

Utah has more reported hate crimes about the LGBT community this year than the last four years combined.

This is very troubling.  We ought not resort to violence or threats of violence or other means of intimidation to express disagreement with other people.

On 9/26/2023 at 3:25 PM, The Nehor said:

Again, what "propaganda" are you referencing here?

On 9/26/2023 at 3:25 PM, The Nehor said:

Making the marginalized into an existential threat is a time-tested method of increasing harassment and persecution.

Who are the "marginalized" you are referencing here?  And how are they "marginalized" in society?

Also, I am perplexed at your reasoning here, as you seem to be decrying the use of violence / threats / intimidation as an expression of ideological disagreement/dislike, and you have spent years publicly advocating for the use of violence / threats / intimidation as an expression of ideological disagreement/dislike.  You "marginalized" people whom you dislike or have ideological disagreements by arbitrarily labeling them as "nazis" and/or "fascists," and then endorsing - even celebrating - the use of actual physical violence / threats / intimidation against anyone so arbitrarily labeled/marginalized.  An example:

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I am concerned at people being concerned about the physical safety and comfort of fascists dedicating to overthrowing things I love and care about.

  • Yeah, punching Nazis is funny and people should rejoice when it happens.
  • Everyone should unite in joy at things that frustrate, stop, or harm Nazis.
  • War “laws” are broken in every war. Repeatedly. So yes, extralegal {violence}.
  • Punching Nazis is not wrong...
  • I didn’t advocate for burning down the homes of Nazis………..yet.

Yeah, i can still stand behind that……..for now.

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To quote a guy: "The propaganda {of arbitrarily labeling people as 'nazis,' and therefore deserving of violence and/or intimidation} is working."  

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At the beginning of the 20th century a German clinic operated to study what we would later call the lgbt community and tried to help individuals dealing with gender dysphoria and non heteronormative sexualities. They amassed a lot of research and accounts of the lives of people of that community.

Then the Nazis showed up and knowledge was likely pushed backwards by decades and a lot of information including information on gender affirming care is forever lost.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/

“This has all happened before and it will happen again.”

On a very related note remember to punch Nazis.

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I see Nazis everywhere. I am Bisexual and identify as a young dragon named Edward that joined the Allied invasion at Normandy. THERE ARE NAZIS EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!

If you can’t find Nazis though then punch fascists. I am okay with that too.

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I am okay with violence against Nazis. I would be okay with laws that allowed people to punch Nazis if I trusted anyone to judge who is or is not a Nazi. Until then watching fascists suffer pleases me.

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I call for punching Nazis and fascists. In the past this would be a self-evidently right sentiment. In these unenlightened days it is somehow ‘going too far’ by people who insist they need to be able to carry guns anywhere just in case there are ‘bad people’ around. I am saying we should punch the bad people.

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My goal is to say we have a fascism problem and we need to (metaphorically and literally) punch more Nazis or we won’t have a liberal democracy for much longer.

I entirely agree with the unspoken premise of your post, namely, that violence or threats of violence as an expression of disagreement or dislike ought not be part of a civilized society.  I am just perplexed as to how you can hold that position while at the same time doing . . . what you do.  The Nazis were an actual "existential threat," hence the utility of folks like you using the label to silence / intimidate / marginalize people whom you dislike or with whom you disagree.  You have spent years doing this.  Years advocating for actual extralegal violence against people you dislike, and justifying that advocacy by claiming that the targets of your malice deserve it.

I would prefer to not dredge this stuff up over and over.  But I think sentiments such as yours need to be addressed in the public sphere.

Thanks,

-Smac

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On 9/26/2023 at 4:40 PM, bluebell said:

It seems like lgbtq+ people are more accepted now than they've ever been though.  Even by groups that previously didn't accept them at all.  

I agree.  It's getting more difficult to characterize lgbtq+ people as "marginalized."

Thanks,

-Smac

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18 hours ago, SteveO said:

Because I think the the demand for homophobia, and all the other alphabet phobias exceeds the supply

I think this is a point worth discussing (though I'm not sure it is altogether correct).  One of my favorite blogs has an ongoing "meme"-like commentary along the lines of "The demand for racism in America vastly exceeds the supply."  This line is used to introduce stories about hoaxes and such where allegations of racism are made and subsequently determined to be false or unlikely.  Some examples:

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THE DEMAND FOR RACISM STILL VASTLY EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY: More media madness: fake racism edition. “The media LOVES LOVES LOVES to stir up racial hatred. It is their milk and honey, their French wine, their brie and baguette, and their chocolate mousse. Destroying the life of an innocent person, labeling them a racist hatemongering White supremacist is like a Prime Rib dinner with all the fixings, and if you get the person fired it’s time to pop the champagne…Such a story broke onto the internet earlier in the week, as a pregnant nurse coming off a 12-hour shift rented a bike and was accosted by 5 large black men who claimed that she was stealing a bike that they had paid for. Watching that video were are supposed to assume that this nurse was the aggressor, and that is the take that everybody pushed on the Internet and then in the MSM. Shockingly, that was false. Who could have guessed?”

VIRTUE SIGNALING SHOULD BE EXPENSIVE — INSTEAD OF WALKING OUT OF CLASS, THEY SHOULD HAVE TO WRITE A 3,000 WORD ESSAY: HS students stage walkout to protest racist Instagram threats … which turn out to be a hoax.

THE DEMAND FOR RACIAL HATE CRIMES EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY: Police, federal law enforcement find no evidence biracial Madison woman was attacked. “There had been questions about the veracity of the woman’s report because, unlike in other crimes that occur Downtown, police never released video stills of the incident or possible suspects in attempt to find the perpetrators. Very little of the public parts of Downtown are hidden from dozens of city-owned cameras and other private surveillance cameras police have access to.”

A RACIST NOTE HOAX IN AGGIELAND?

Investigators say they have found the perp and ripped off the mask.

COLLEGE STATION, Texas (KBTX) – In a report released to KBTX on Thursday, police at Texas A&M University said a student who reported finding racist notes on his car’s windshield last month may have placed the papers there himself. However, the 21-year-old at the center of the case strongly denies those claims.

Isaih Martin, a senior at A&M, called police on the afternoon of Wednesday, June 24, to report finding three handwritten notes on his car that said “All lives matter” and “You don’t belong here.” The third note contained the N-word.

They got him via video from a security camera at a swimming pool in the area.

As Roger Kimball wrote when Jussie Smollett’s story broke last year, “The less hate there is in the United States, the more hate crimes must be manufactured in order to keep the Fraternal Order of Victims afloat.”

DEMAND FOR HATE IN AMERICA OUTSTRIPS DEMAND: Police uncover hate hoax in San Diego. “A 39-year-old man in San Diego named Scott Rowin said he was harassed and then set on fire by a couple of men who targeted him because he is gay. . . . As described this really would be a terrible crime. But police did investigate and found the story was quite a bit different from what Rowin claimed. . . . What does seem clear is that Rowin was not set on fire by a pair of angry gay-bashers roaming the streets of San Diego looking for victims. So at this point, his story is looking like Jussie Smollett 2.0. Not coincidentally, the updated story below notes that Rowin has stopped responding to the reporter’s texts and calls seeking a reaction to the new information. Rowin should probably stop talking to the media and consider hiring a lawyer as his prior statements are not going to play well in court if he winds up facing assault charges.”

THE DEMAND FOR RACISM IN AMERICA FAR EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY, DRAWING INFERIOR SUBSTITUTES INTO THE MARKET: Hoax alert: Black Illinois student criminally charged for racist notes. “Illinois law enforcement announced Friday that Kaliyeha Clark-Mabins, a black female college student, will be charged with three counts of disorderly conduct for filing a false police report. . . . The notes said ‘DIE ****’ and ‘BLACK PEOPLE DON’T BELONG’ according to charging documents provided to The Fix by the Madison County State’s Attorney office. . . . “The investigation included not just the campus police, but the “Madison County State’s Attorney’s Office and the U.S. Secret Service,” the email said. The investigation cleared two white students falsely accused of involvement, Amanda Jerome and Jimmi Thull.”

THE DEMAND FOR RACIAL HATE ON CAMPUS FAR EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY, DRAWING IN INFERIOR IMITATIONS: Hate crime hoaxes: Students alleged KKK recruited on campus, vandalized black girl’s door.

THE LEFT’S DEMAND FOR HATE IN AMERICA VASTLY EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY: Yet Another Hate Crime Hoax, This Time in Maryland.

THE DEMAND FOR RACISM IN AMERICA EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY, DRAWING IN LOW-QUALITY SUBSTITUTES: Howie Carr: About that UMass probe. . .

THE DEMAND FOR HATE CRIMES IN AMERICA FAR EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY: Jussie Smollett is part of a larger trend of fake hate crimes. ... As Roger Kimball wrote when Jussie Smollett’s story broke in 2019, “The less hate there is in the United States, the more hate crimes must be manufactured in order to keep the Fraternal Order of Victims afloat.”

THE DEMAND FOR WHITE SUPREMACY IN AMERICA FAR EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY: No charges for teens who put up fake KKK flyers at Florida State University. Putting up fake flyers isn’t a crime. Heck, putting up real KKK flyers isn’t a crime.

Related: “Again and again, we see the same response to fake hate from America’s hyper-progressive enclaves. This attack or abuse might not have been actually real, they say, but the incident speaks to a deeper, almost religious belief that racism lurks everywhere and itches to get out. It’s a form of moral theater in which participants must willingly suspend their disbelief. The awkward truth is that in modern America, as in other parts of the developed world, the demand for ‘acts of racism’ greatly exceeds the supply. So people have to manufacture their own.”

THE DEMAND FOR HATE CRIMES IN AMERICA FAR EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY: Hate Hoax: Black employee arrested over racist graffiti on Emory University building.

IN AMERICA, THE POLITICAL CLASS’S DEMAND FOR DANGEROUS EXTREMISTS EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY: Scoop: Investigation finds fired Tennessee vaccine official mailed dog muzzle to self. “A Tennessee investigation found evidence that the state’s fired vaccine chief, Michelle Fiscus, purchased a dog muzzle that she previously claimed someone had mailed in an attempt to intimidate her. . . . Fiscus and her husband, Brad, had said in multiple interviews, including with CNN’s Anderson Cooper, that the muzzle was sent anonymously to her state office through Amazon shortly before her firing. ‘Someone wanted to send a message to tell her to stop talking, they thought it would be a threat to her,’ Brad Fiscus told the Tennessean. The Tennessee Department of Safety & Homeland Security found through a subpoena that the Amazon package containing the muzzle traced back to a credit card in Fiscus’ name, according to an investigation report obtained by Axios.”

THE DEMAND FOR HATE CRIMES IN AMERICA FAR EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY: Racism is now the new gold. Regarding the Colorado Rockies’ “Dinger” faux-hate crime, Jason Whitlock tells Tucker Carlson, “Racism is now the new gold and people mine for racism gold the same way they mined for gold in the 1840s and 1850s. We have to understand that the miners, in this desperate rush to get rich – take Patrice Cullors, the founder of Black Lives Matter — she plays the racial game with Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, any other dead man that she thinks has been unjustly killed resisting arrest – and she’s now bought four homes across America.”

THE DEMAND FOR HATE CRIMES IN AMERICA FAR EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY: Colorado Rockies Fan Accused Of Shouting Racial Slur At Marlins Player Was Yelling At Mascot ‘Dinger.’

THE DEMAND FOR WHITE SUPREMACY IN AMERICA FAR EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY: My Search for the Elusive White Nationalists and Supremacists in the Church.

The key takeaway is simple; not one person I talked to at the PK conference knew or had heard a Christian nationalist. Nary a one. Nor had they seen or come in contact with a white supremacist. To a person, regardless of ethnicity, they believed race relations in their church and their community broadly were better than they were ten, twenty, or thirty years ago, not worse. Also, these participants thought their church was doing a “good job” discussing race.

THE DEMAND FOR WHITE SUPREMACY IN TODAY’S AMERICA FAR EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY: Princeton U. to host vigil over ‘noose’ nobody knows anything about. “Several weeks ago at Penn State, two black university professors reported a ‘noose’ in the backyard of their home which they said was placed there ‘deliberately’ to ‘harass them.’ It turned out to be part of their neighbor’s swing set.”

THE DEMAND FOR HATE CRIMES IN AMERICA FAR EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY: Student charged with misdemeanor for residence hall fire in hate-crime hoax. “As The College Fix previously reported, the April 18 incident was the culmination of a series of incidents that ignited racial unrest at Viterbo University throughout the spring semester. . . . Unanka spoke at the university-endorsed walkout, which attracted hundreds of students and staff. A few weeks after Unanka was arrested, President Glena Temple said that the student responsible for the dormitory fire had been identified, however, refused to provide the person’s name. Simultaneously, Temple closed the internal investigation into campus racism vandalism and graffiti. Temple refused to fully connect the dots.”

THE DEMAND FOR WHITE SUPREMACY IN TODAY’S AMERICA FAR EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY (CONT’D): Hate-crime hoax: Black student likely egged her own door, police say.

THE DEMAND FOR WHITE SUPREMACY IN AMERICA FAR EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY: Almost year-long investigations yield nothing in Johns Hopkins U. ‘noose’ case.

THE DEMAND FOR WHITE SUPREMACY IN AMERICA VASTLY EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY:  Smolletting in Huntington Beach, CA.

THE DEMAND FOR CAMPUS WHITE SUPREMACISTS VASTLY EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY, DRAWING IN INFERIOR SUBSTITUTES: Narrative shattered: ‘KKK,’ ‘White power’ graffiti on campus written by Black student.

As a result of the messages, hundreds of students boycotted class and marched on campus for three consecutive days.

Many chanted “silence is violence!”

THE DEMAND FOR RACIAL HATRED EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY, DRAWING INFERIOR SUBSTITUTES INTO THE MARKET: U. Minnesota student claims racial profiling, fear of being shot; recorded footage shreds narrative.

THE DEMAND FOR RACIAL HATE CRIMES EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY: Police, federal law enforcement find no evidence biracial Madison woman was attacked. “There had been questions about the veracity of the woman’s report because, unlike in other crimes that occur Downtown, police never released video stills of the incident or possible suspects in attempt to find the perpetrators. Very little of the public parts of Downtown are hidden from dozens of city-owned cameras and other private surveillance cameras police have access to.”

IN 2020 AMERICA, THE DEMAND FOR HATE CRIMES FAR EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY: Police say Texas A&M student who found racist notes on his car put them there.

THE DEMAND FOR HATE IN AMERICA FAR EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY: ‘Nooses’ In Oakland Park Were Exercise Aids, Man Says:

The Police Department provided five photographs of trees, some of which showed knotted ropes and one that appeared to have a piece of plastic pipe attached to a rope, hanging from tree limbs.

They have been removed by city officials.

Victor Sengbe, who is black, told KGO-TV that the ropes were part of a rigging that he and his friends used as part of a larger swing system. He also shared video of the swing in use.

“Out of the dozen and hundreds and thousands of people that walked by, no one has thought that it looked anywhere close to a noose. Folks have used it for exercise. It was really a fun addition to the park that we tried to create,” Sengbe said.

ANALYSIS: TRUE. The demand for white supremacists vastly exceeds the supply.

THE DEMAND FOR HATE IN AMERICA FAR EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY: Facebook friends each reported nooses at different colleges. One was a damaged power cable.

DEMAND FOR HATE CRIMES FAR EXCEEDS THE SUPPLY: If America Is A Racist Country, Why Do People Have To Constantly Invent Fake Hate Crimes?

AMERICA IN THE 21ST CENTURY: ‘The demand for bigots exceeds the supply.’

IF IT WEREN’T FOR FAKE HATE CRIMES, HOW MANY HATE CRIMES WOULD THERE BE? Black college lacrosse player, 21, is arrested for spraying N-word and swastika graffiti targeting HIMSELF and other minority students in two incidents that terrorized the campus.

Thanks,

-Smac

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In the mid 1980's, I was pushed up against a wall and forced to recant my Mormon faith at knifepoint.   "I cut mormons.  Are you a mormon?"   That was a crappy day in a middle school in Holladay Utah, one of Salt Lake City's suburbs.  

Nobody had an understanding of "hate crimes" back then.  I recanted my faith, went about my day, and spent the next umpteen years bearing the emotional impacts of lying because I wasn't strong enough to stand up and tell the truth.  My chosen name on this forum is partially a signal to the world about how the next time something like that happens, they'll get something different out of me.

 

In subsequent decades, two different acquaintances have told me their stories of hate crimes.   One buddy had their gay pride flag set fire on the hood of their old beater truck.   A co-worker told of having a gay pride flag removed from their house one night.  

 

I don't really have any point to make here, other than it's important to talk about this stuff.

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