Family members we see, raise, grow up with in the Savior's Millenium??

[nuclearfuels]

At what point in gestation do you think we mortals get the opportunity to raise children we've lost (stillborn, miscarriages, etc.)?

* I understand the opinions provided do not constitute doctrine and I'm 100% fine with that. 

* I also understand that in the Millenium we may have the opportunity to bear additional children - making somewhat moot or null my main question - but there's something about mortality that's likely unique in the eternal scheme of things.

Context:

A family member shared that lefties are often twins. We have a leftie in our family. Did he/she have a twin before being born / fully gestating?

Generally, left-handedness is found in 10.6% of the overall population.^[1] Some studies have reported that left-handedness is more common in twins than in singletons, occurring in 21% of people who are twins.^[2] 

 

[The Nehor]

Great, we lefties don’t have enough to deal with in all the other fun problems we face so we now get survivor’s guilt. Oh, and my twin is so much better he or she could skip out on the fallen world. Lucky *******. Oh, and I potentially have almost twice as many siblings as I thought.

[rpn]

It seems clear to me that the answer has to be at the point in gestation that a specific spirit is assigned to a specific body.

[Pyreaux]

The Biblical Luke's account of unborn John the Baptist prenatal leaping acknowledgement of Jesus' newly inseminated presence strongly suggests the spirit is indeed there early. 

But even with that case, a trippy thought to share, it is my mom's folk doctrine that her stillborn male child returned to premortality and was later born/reborn as my younger brother, who simply needed a better body. I'm partial to that idea... I can't say that is always the case, since after a stillbirth the next children could be a different gender. But this thought of a false start for a spirit, a stillborn, or otherwise failed to take its first breath, is returned to premortality to be born later... Is interesting. Now thinking about it, I think Saturday's Warrior had a side character that was instantly kicked back to the premortal realm, but then escorted away, so we don't know what ultimately happened to him. So, I don't know if this "happy doctrine" of the raising lost children in the millennia necessarily extends to stillborns, per se.

I said "happy doctrine", I thought Joseph F. Smith came up with it in Gospel Doctrine, but he sources Joseph Smith Jr:

“In 1854, I met with my aunt [Agnes Smith], the wife of my uncle Don Carlos Smith, who was the mother of that little girl [Sophronia] that Joseph Smith, the Prophet, was speaking about, when he told the mother that she should have the joy, the pleasure, and the satisfaction of rearing that child, after the resurrection, until it reached the full stature of its spirit; and that it would be a far greater joy than she could possibly have in mortality, because she would be free from the sorrow and fear and disabilities of mortal life.  I met that widow, the mother of that child, and she told me this circumstance and bore testimony to me that this was what the Prophet Joseph Smith said when he was speaking at the funeral of her little daughter.” (Improvement Era, May 1918, page 571)

Sister Horne recalled Joseph Smith Jr. give similar words of comfort:

“He told us that we should receive those children in the morning of the resurrection just as we laid them down, in purity and innocence, and we should nourish and care for them as their mothers.  He said that children would be raised in the resurrection just as they were laid down, and that they would obtain all the intelligence necessary to occupy thrones, principalities and powers.”  (History of the Church, volume 4, page 556)

Edited March 18, 2023 by Pyreaux

[rpn]

19 hours ago, Pyreaux said:

The Biblical Luke's account of unborn John the Baptist prenatal leaping acknowledgement of Jesus' newly inseminated presence strongly suggests the spirit is indeed there early. 

But the scriptures also tell us that Jesus was speaking to the Book of Mormon prophet Samuel the night before His mortal birth --- which makes the landmark of a spirit being permanently connected to a body a more reliable marker.   That timing may well be different for different spirits and bodies. 

[Pyreaux]

2 hours ago, rpn said:

But the scriptures also tell us that Jesus was speaking to the Book of Mormon prophet Samuel the night before His mortal birth --- which makes the landmark of a spirit being permanently connected to a body a more reliable marker.   That timing may well be different for different spirits and bodies. 

... Yes, His Spirit was either mobile or remote projection like how the Holy Ghost's omnipresent presence works as a single personage, hmm... I'm sure those who prayed at the time would be glad the Lord stayed busy and was not incommunicado while he was confined to a womb for 9 months.

[MiserereNobis]

On 3/17/2023 at 10:50 PM, Pyreaux said:

Jesus' newly inseminated presence

What a weird phrase. 

[The Nehor]

15 hours ago, rpn said:

But the scriptures also tell us that Jesus was speaking to the Book of Mormon prophet Samuel the night before His mortal birth --- which makes the landmark of a spirit being permanently connected to a body a more reliable marker.   That timing may well be different for different spirits and bodies. 

Or it was an angel or the Holy Ghost using the divine investiture thing.

[nuclearfuels]

On 3/17/2023 at 8:58 PM, rpn said:

It seems clear to me that the answer has to be at the point in gestation that a specific spirit is assigned to a specific body.

I agree. 

When would you suggest that point is? 

I;m not sure / haven't formed an opinion on it

[CV75]

On 3/17/2023 at 4:18 PM, nuclearfuels said:

At what point in gestation do you think we mortals get the opportunity to raise children we've lost (stillborn, miscarriages, etc.)?

* I understand the opinions provided do not constitute doctrine and I'm 100% fine with that. 

* I also understand that in the Millenium we may have the opportunity to bear additional children - making somewhat moot or null my main question - but there's something about mortality that's likely unique in the eternal scheme of things.

Context:

A family member shared that lefties are often twins. We have a leftie in our family. Did he/she have a twin before being born / fully gestating?

Generally, left-handedness is found in 10.6% of the overall population.^[1] Some studies have reported that left-handedness is more common in twins than in singletons, occurring in 21% of people who are twins.^[2] 

 

Are you suggesting that if a woman dies having conceived in her womb, or eggs fertilized in-vitro are destroyed (pre- or post-implantation/freezing), there is a point the conception will not be resurrected also? What about those that are the product of rape or incest, or otherwise unwanted?

Edited March 22, 2023 by CV75

[CA Steve]

On 3/17/2023 at 8:58 PM, rpn said:

It seems clear to me that the answer has to be at the point in gestation that a specific spirit is assigned to a specific body.

I am assuming you feel that point is before birth.

The problem with this is it includes the assumption that the spirit that didn't get a chance at mortality due to miscarriage, stillborn or even abortion is not ever assigned to another body. We simply do not know.  

[rpn]

I don't think it is likely the same for every spirit.