Polygamy and authority

[ProphetShiloh]

Webbles had some questions about polygamy and authority:

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First, in 1890, the church didn't abandon polygamy.  It ceased in the US until President Woodruff died and then it restarted in the US in an extremely small amount.  Outside of the US, it never ceased.  It wasn't until 1904 when polygamy was finally ceased as a mortal practice.  So, saying that 1890 is when church abandoned the higher laws is incorrect.

Second, what is the line of authority from Joseph Smith to you and how can we tell that that line is unbroken and true?  When did it leave the President of the Church?  Was Brigham Young the "Lord's Anointed Prophet"?  John Taylor?  Wilford Woodruff?

 

I know the history because my ancestors went to the colonies in Mexico to continue living the higher laws.  Also, it is correct that the church abandoned the higher laws in 1890.  God more or less instructed President Woodruff to have the Church do so in 1889.  This is when the keys to administer the laws and ordinances of exaltation, which do not belong to the Church intrinsically anyway, were returned to the Priesthood organization.  As I have said before, this is simply returning things in the Church back to the way they were prior to 1852.  The Church was true then too.  It needs to only concern itself with the laws and ordinances of salvation.  And, unlike the Priesthood organization, the Church derives its authority from the consent of the people, which means that it is subject to the circumstances of the people, which includes the laws of the land.  State law in Illinois forbade plural marriage, hence Section CI of the 1835 D&C condemned and forbade it calling it a reproach.  However, the School of the Prophets is beholden first and foremost to the word of God and is not bound to be subject to the laws of the land.  People need to understand the difference here to fully understand the dynamic that has played out over the past two centuries.

The law of succession is clearly established in D&C 43:3-5.  The successor of the keys of the Priesthood organization, whose president is the Lord's Anointed Prophet, is solely constrained to be through "thus saith the Lord" revelation.  This is why this man is called the "Lord's Anointed".  This appointment has absolutely nothing whatever to do with whether people sustain them as such.  God doesn't ask anyone's opinion on who he calls as his anointed prophet.

According to this law God declared the Church as a whole to be the successor of Joseph Smith, Jr.  This took place in D&C 90:3-5 when the Lord was addressing the keys of the kingdom and the gift to receive the oracles of God, which is the primary duty of the Lord's Anointed Prophet.  This is why the Lord commanded the Church to be one or else the church would be said of him to be "mine", meaning mine anointed.  Junior apostle Orson Hyde received an oracle where the Lord affirmed that the apostles of the Church held the keys collectively to function as his anointed.  So also did junior apostle Wilford Woodruff receive an oracle in 1880 affirming the same.  It even went further to explain how they were to operate as a body to shoulder this mantle.  God said that any one of them could receive the word of the Lord, but they had a procedure to submit it to the head for his purview and if he deemed it worthwhile he would present it to the presiding quorums who would deliberate upon it and deem unitedly whether they also affirmed that it was a correct revelation from God.  Then it also instructs them, if they deem it prudent, to present it to the body of the Church for their acceptance.  God clearly intended to involve the entire body of the Church in the performance of this most sacred duty.

The President of the Church, of himself or of his office, has never been appointed as the Lord's Anointed Prophet.  Only the Church as a whole what given this mantle.  So, he merely presided over the Church's performance of this duty, in connection with those who preside with him over the Church.  This is why at the last charge there were many brethren who received it besides just the apostles.  The intended recipient of this charge was the entire Church, not just an individual or a quorum of the Church.  The presence of the apostles was necessary so that they could represent the Church as a whole.

The lawful successor of the Church was also appointed in that 1880 revelation.  The Lord said, paraphrasing, that the apostles were chosen of him to lead the people Israel until the Son of Man come.  This implied that when the Son of Man came that the keys of the Priesthood organization would be removed from the Church and given to Him.  What people do not understand is that this Priesthood organization is in fact the flesh-and-bone body of the Son of Man.  Learning how to recognize these flesh-and-bone covenant bodies as distinct personages is a missing key that has many people unable to accurately trace the succession of this authority.  This lacking piece of intelligence has had people unable to see the Son of Man.

Unfortunately, this body is Abel of the new world and he was murdered.  This murder was the systematic excommunication of all of those brethren who did as the Lord charged them, which was to make no compromises and to continue to administer all of the laws and ordinances of exaltation that belong to the Priesthood organization.  With the death of Abel the Lord needed to raise up a kinsman redeemer brother to stand in Abel's stead to carry on this responsibility.  Therefore, we have his brother Seth who was born when Adam was 130 years old.  Thus, the birth of Seth began in 1960-1961, which is 130 years since April 6, 1830.  This new Priesthood organization had many struggles as it tried to stay alive.  The dragon makes very intense warfare against the Son of Man.  This organization was headed by Robert Crossfield (the Prophet Onias).  He passed away in 2018.  I began receiving "thus saith the Lord" oracles in 2019 as the successor of Prophet Onias.  He was my Elias forerunner.  There are considerably more details, but I will leave it at this. 

[pogi]

1 hour ago, ProphetShiloh said:

Webbles had some questions about polygamy and authority:

I know the history because my ancestors went to the colonies in Mexico to continue living the higher laws.  Also, it is correct that the church abandoned the higher laws in 1890.  God more or less instructed President Woodruff to have the Church do so in 1889.  This is when the keys to administer the laws and ordinances of exaltation, which do not belong to the Church intrinsically anyway, were returned to the Priesthood organization.  As I have said before, this is simply returning things in the Church back to the way they were prior to 1852.  The Church was true then too.  It needs to only concern itself with the laws and ordinances of salvation.  And, unlike the Priesthood organization, the Church derives its authority from the consent of the people, which means that it is subject to the circumstances of the people, which includes the laws of the land.  State law in Illinois forbade plural marriage, hence Section CI of the 1835 D&C condemned and forbade it calling it a reproach.  However, the School of the Prophets is beholden first and foremost to the word of God and is not bound to be subject to the laws of the land.  People need to understand the difference here to fully understand the dynamic that has played out over the past two centuries.

The law of succession is clearly established in D&C 43:3-5.  The successor of the keys of the Priesthood organization, whose president is the Lord's Anointed Prophet, is solely constrained to be through "thus saith the Lord" revelation.  This is why this man is called the "Lord's Anointed".  This appointment has absolutely nothing whatever to do with whether people sustain them as such.  God doesn't ask anyone's opinion on who he calls as his anointed prophet.

According to this law God declared the Church as a whole to be the successor of Joseph Smith, Jr.  This took place in D&C 90:3-5 when the Lord was addressing the keys of the kingdom and the gift to receive the oracles of God, which is the primary duty of the Lord's Anointed Prophet.  This is why the Lord commanded the Church to be one or else the church would be said of him to be "mine", meaning mine anointed.  Junior apostle Orson Hyde received an oracle where the Lord affirmed that the apostles of the Church held the keys collectively to function as his anointed.  So also did junior apostle Wilford Woodruff receive an oracle in 1880 affirming the same.  It even went further to explain how they were to operate as a body to shoulder this mantle.  God said that any one of them could receive the word of the Lord, but they had a procedure to submit it to the head for his purview and if he deemed it worthwhile he would present it to the presiding quorums who would deliberate upon it and deem unitedly whether they also affirmed that it was a correct revelation from God.  Then it also instructs them, if they deem it prudent, to present it to the body of the Church for their acceptance.  God clearly intended to involve the entire body of the Church in the performance of this most sacred duty.

The President of the Church, of himself or of his office, has never been appointed as the Lord's Anointed Prophet.  Only the Church as a whole what given this mantle.  So, he merely presided over the Church's performance of this duty, in connection with those who preside with him over the Church.  This is why at the last charge there were many brethren who received it besides just the apostles.  The intended recipient of this charge was the entire Church, not just an individual or a quorum of the Church.  The presence of the apostles was necessary so that they could represent the Church as a whole.

The lawful successor of the Church was also appointed in that 1880 revelation.  The Lord said, paraphrasing, that the apostles were chosen of him to lead the people Israel until the Son of Man come.  This implied that when the Son of Man came that the keys of the Priesthood organization would be removed from the Church and given to Him.  What people do not understand is that this Priesthood organization is in fact the flesh-and-bone body of the Son of Man.  Learning how to recognize these flesh-and-bone covenant bodies as distinct personages is a missing key that has many people unable to accurately trace the succession of this authority.  This lacking piece of intelligence has had people unable to see the Son of Man.

Unfortunately, this body is Abel of the new world and he was murdered.  This murder was the systematic excommunication of all of those brethren who did as the Lord charged them, which was to make no compromises and to continue to administer all of the laws and ordinances of exaltation that belong to the Priesthood organization.  With the death of Abel the Lord needed to raise up a kinsman redeemer brother to stand in Abel's stead to carry on this responsibility.  Therefore, we have his brother Seth who was born when Adam was 130 years old.  Thus, the birth of Seth began in 1960-1961, which is 130 years since April 6, 1830.  This new Priesthood organization had many struggles as it tried to stay alive.  The dragon makes very intense warfare against the Son of Man.  This organization was headed by Robert Crossfield (the Prophet Onias).  He passed away in 2018.  I began receiving "thus saith the Lord" oracles in 2019 as the successor of Prophet Onias.  He was my Elias forerunner.  There are considerably more details, but I will leave it at this. 

So you are claiming to be "the one mighty and strong"?  Join the club!  How many dozens of you are there out there?  Why is it that groups associated with this interpretation of section 85 end up being so violent and even murderous?  In your own group, Ron Lafferty, after being appointed bishop by "prophet Onias", received revelation to murder a woman and her year old child.  On top of that, you are all white supremacist's, correct? 

Where is that which is edifying? 

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Onias eventually started his own School of the Prophets where he could teach people the “crucial Mormon principles that had been forsaken by the modern LDS Church.” These included polygamy, the Adam/God doctrine, and “the divinely ordained supremacy of the white race.”

Just curious, does your group officially recognize you as the successor of Crossfield?  Or are there others, like yourself, claiming to be the one mighty and strong?  Crossfield noted that there were some in your group who made such claims, 

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Crossfield, the "prophet Onias," said, "There are probably dozens. We even have one man in our group who makes those claims. We keep a close eye on him and anyone like that because sometimes they are wacky."

Perhaps you are just a "wacky" one?  

https://www.deseret.com/1988/6/28/18769948/several-men-claim-to-be-the-one-mighty-and-strong

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/archive/publications/the-krakauer-journal

[Teancum]

1 hour ago, ProphetShiloh said:

Webbles said: First, in 1890, the church didn't abandon polygamy.  It ceased in the US until President Woodruff died and then it restarted in the US in an extremely small amount.  Outside of the US, it never ceased.  It wasn't until 1904 when polygamy was finally ceased as a mortal practice.  So, saying that 1890 is when church abandoned the higher laws is incorrect.

Second, what is the line of authority from Joseph Smith to you and how can we tell that that line is unbroken and true?  When did it leave the President of the Church?  Was Brigham Young the "Lord's Anointed Prophet"?  John Taylor?  Wilford Woodruff?

THis seems contrary to the story the Church tells about Woodruff's Manifesto.

[gopher]

Has anything been revealed to you about same-sex polygamy?  That will guarantee you at least 50 pages of discussion on this forum!

[Amulek]

1 hour ago, ProphetShiloh said:

I began receiving "thus saith the Lord" oracles in 2019 as the successor of Prophet Onias.

Keep it up with these threads and you are bound to start receiving a few more "thus saith the Mods" revelations as well.

 

[MiserereNobis]

I think this is the first polygamist prophet I've seen on the board since I came here a decade ago. It's quite fascinating, even though most of what he says goes right over my head, since I'm not steeped in LDS history, language, and terminology.

Now, if we could only get anti-Pope Michael to show up!

https://www.vaticaninexile.com

 

[The Nehor]

32 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

I think this is the first polygamist prophet I've seen on the board since I came here a decade ago. It's quite fascinating, even though most of what he says goes right over my head, since I'm not steeped in LDS history, language, and terminology.

Now, if we could only get anti-Pope Michael to show up!

https://www.vaticaninexile.com

 

This is a pretty tired cliche actually. The standard “keys were secretly passed on” either after Joseph Smith or Wilford Woodruff. Then they always claim that the larger church will eventually rejoin them. This saves them from the burden of having to proselyte. They also shift a lot of the other burdens of scripture and God’s commands to the larger church (the hard stuff like building the kingdom and spreading the gospel) while they do the higher work of God like trying to convince lots of women to marry them which is vital for (insert silly reason here).

[Calm]

55 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

LDS history, language, and terminology.

He is using quite a bit of nonLDS language and terminology, which is why I am asking a lot of questions. I recognize quite a lot of the fundamentalist ideas, language, and terms; a few I associate with more ‘New Age’ works (power of consciousness, for example); and a few I haven’t heard used by others, but if I understand him correctly are familiar ideas to me, but I may be missing nuances.  
 

My mom was very curious and picked up a lot of atypical books in used bookstores, from her hippie brother, and pop recommendations from Oprah and others (afternoon talk shows were her only vice). Since I was the only one who came close to sharing her interests (mythology as a kid and my degree is psychology), I read quite a few so she would have someone to talk to and to give her feedback on any scientific claims (started in physics but my dad convinced me there were no jobs, so wrong but met my husband in the psych dept so all is well).  So O am not an expert by any means, but have dabbled though not much in the past five years once Mom stopped reading new stuff. 

Edited November 17, 2021 by Calm

[Tacenda]

1 minute ago, Calm said:

He is using quite a bit of nonLDS terminology. I recognize quite a lot of the fundamentalist terms, a few I associate with more ‘New Age’ works (power of consciousness, for example) and a few I haven’t heard used by others but if I understand him correctly are familiar ideas to me, but I may be missing nuances.  

I swear he was at an event with Daybell at one time, heck I noticed a very prominent man in my community and cousins with my former bishop was there speaking at one of the events.

[Calm]

31 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I swear he was at an event with Daybell at one time, heck I noticed a very prominent man in my community and cousins with my former bishop was there speaking at one of the events.

Since the Prepare a People website has been deleted, it is difficult to find who has talked at their events. 

[webbles]

10 hours ago, ProphetShiloh said:

Unfortunately, this body is Abel of the new world and he was murdered.  This murder was the systematic excommunication of all of those brethren who did as the Lord charged them, which was to make no compromises and to continue to administer all of the laws and ordinances of exaltation that belong to the Priesthood organization.  With the death of Abel the Lord needed to raise up a kinsman redeemer brother to stand in Abel's stead to carry on this responsibility.  Therefore, we have his brother Seth who was born when Adam was 130 years old.  Thus, the birth of Seth began in 1960-1961, which is 130 years since April 6, 1830.  This new Priesthood organization had many struggles as it tried to stay alive.  The dragon makes very intense warfare against the Son of Man.  This organization was headed by Robert Crossfield (the Prophet Onias).  He passed away in 2018.  I began receiving "thus saith the Lord" oracles in 2019 as the successor of Prophet Onias.  He was my Elias forerunner.  There are considerably more details, but I will leave it at this. 

Who ordained Robert Crossfield and gave him the authority?  God's house is a house of order and so the authority always has a line of succession.  Joseph Smith received it from John the Baptist; Peter, James, and John; and other prophets who held the keys.  Where did Robert Crossfield receive it?  What is his line of authority?

[Hamba Tuhan]

4 hours ago, MiserereNobis said:

Most of what he says goes right over my head, since I'm not steeped in LDS history, language, and terminology.

This is not a function of your unfamiliarity, I can assure you.

[ProphetShiloh]

9 hours ago, pogi said:

So you are claiming to be "the one mighty and strong"?  Join the club!  How many dozens of you are there out there?  Why is it that groups associated with this interpretation of section 85 end up being so violent and even murderous?  In your own group, Ron Lafferty, after being appointed bishop by "prophet Onias", received revelation to murder a woman and her year old child.  On top of that, you are all white supremacist's, correct? 

Where is that which is edifying? 

Just curious, does your group officially recognize you as the successor of Crossfield?  Or are there others, like yourself, claiming to be the one mighty and strong?  Crossfield noted that there were some in your group who made such claims, 

Perhaps you are just a "wacky" one?  

https://www.deseret.com/1988/6/28/18769948/several-men-claim-to-be-the-one-mighty-and-strong

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/archive/publications/the-krakauer-journal

The "one mighty and strong" is actually not a single human individual, so I could not justly lay a claim to this honor even if I wanted to.  Any individual man who does claim this is likely just on an ego trip inspired by false spirits. 

The OMS is actually the flesh-and-bone being Elohim-Adam of the new world.  This means he is the plurality of individuals (men and their sealed wives) who are proven true and faithful in all things.  These are those who have been brought through the veil and have the fullness of the understanding of God and are indwelled by the fullness of the Godhead.  They are joint heirs with Christ in receiving the fullness of the Father.

The temple endowment lays out the roadmap for individual Latter-day Saints to be a part of this exalted body.  We are, collectively as a covenant body, Adam and Eve of the new world.  We are undergoing the process of being tried in all things.  All who are able to overcome all things become part of this noble exalted patriarch for the new world.

I try not to be harsh with those claiming this as an individual because everyone who holds Melchizedek Priesthood is already a member of this body and so if they ask God if they are the One Mighty and Strong it isn't false for them to receive the answer "yes".  They would need to amend their query to ask "and exclusively so?" to get the answer "no".  However, if they do not know to clarify the query on that aspect, then they falter because they lack the keys of intelligence that would have safeguarded them from deceiving themselves.

Your depiction of the Crossfield and Lafferty relationship is a typical attempt to smear the Crossfield group.  The Lafferty brothers submitted their revelations to the School for ratification, as is the appropriate procedure, and their revelations were rejected.  They did not accept the School's rejection of their revelations and so they were dismissed from the group.  Robert Crossfield had good reason to believe that even his own life was in danger from them.  They tried to warn people of the danger that they were aware of but they weren't taken seriously.  Robert Crossfield cooperated with the authorities to help the prosecuting attorney have evidence sufficient to get these murderers convicted.

As for the accusation of them being "white supremacists", they do consider that the "natural branches" of the house of Israel are in the main the people who are Caucasian who yet bear the recessive genetic traits of having fairness of skin and blueness in the eyes.  It isn't that these are superior traits, or that they are superior to other people.  These are simply genetic traits that give indication of who yet retains a more pure lineage from the original people of Israel.

Since the Bible is based upon a patriarchal system, meaning that authority is inherent in the parental forbears, it is simply recognizing these people as the direct descendants to whom the promises of future gathering back into their own land of inheritance to be ruled by the laws of God shall come to fruition.  The whole "superiority" aspect isn't what it is about.  This is just what people project so that they can dehumanize and bring greater manipulation and exploitation of the native Israelites.

Think of the common practice of parents writing out their last will and testament to bequeath all of their wealth, etc., to their own posterity.  They didn't do this after surveying the entire population of the planet and determining that their children are indeed superior to everyone else on the planet.  They did this simply because their children are somewhat of an extension of their own flesh and blood.  And, they are able to continue to have rights to spiritually minister to their own children to assist and guide them in how they make use of their inheritance.  So, please lay down the tired and annoying injection of superiority and take a more pragmatic approach to the subject of patriarchy.

As for your question of edifying... I simply mean the process where everyone gives one another the space to be heard and understood in their views, free of the sense that people have to convince one another of something like a debate.  The point of edification is simply to build mutual understanding, and more ideally with mutual confirmed clarity.  So often people put words in eachother's mouths and refuse to actually understand one another as each intends to be understood.  This manner departs from the spirit of truth.  I recommend that you read the process of edification as described by the Lord in D&C 50.  It says that all rejoice at understanding one another and that by this means people may chase darkness from their midst.

I don't have a group to speak of so your answer is N/A.  I was cast out of the Crossfield group in 2011 and disallowed to have any substantial contact with any of them ever since.  I had a few chances to meet with Robert Crossfield within a couple years of his passing in 2018, and we were on good and friendly terms between us as persons, but the guy who had more or less usurped the group made sure to sabotage the friendship that we were beginning to rekindle.  All of them that remain of the Crossfield group believe that I am evil, etc.

The Crossfield group had in their revelations prophecies that the One Mighty and Strong would need to be taught by the School of the Prophets.  They thought that they were looking for a single individual and didn't have the same understanding that I have.  I presented a very high-level summary of a portion of the information that comes out of the book sealed with seven seals, but they rejected it.

Anyone who knows me on a personal level wouldn't consider me mentally hobbled.  I have ideas that are completely new and original, but if anything I should just be recognized, at the least, with ideas that are disruptive and paradigm shifting.  Unfortunately, the whacky world in which we live persecutes and shames what should be recognized as brilliance and original though.

[ProphetShiloh]

35 minutes ago, webbles said:

Who ordained Robert Crossfield and gave him the authority?  God's house is a house of order and so the authority always has a line of succession.  Joseph Smith received it from John the Baptist; Peter, James, and John; and other prophets who held the keys.  Where did Robert Crossfield receive it?  What is his line of authority?

Are you referring to how Robert Crossfield received the Melchizedek Priesthood?  If so, he was a convert to the Church who was ordained an Elder under the hands of N. Elden Tanner.  He is Canadian by birth and that is where N. Elden Tanner was at the time.  This is the same as who was in the First Presidency of the Church.

If you are referring to how Robert Crossfield received the mantle of Lord's Anointed prophet, I have explained that at length in other posts.  I recommend you find it for more detailed information.

What's interesting is Robert Crossfield did not know how to explain it.  He just knew that the still small voice of the Lord was speaking to him and he obeyed.  As it turns out, you cannot trace the succession of the mantle of Lord's Anointed Prophet without knowing the contents of the book sealed with seven seals.  He always just told people to read his revelations and if the Spirit testified to you that they are the word of God, then that is how you would know.

The manner in which he was the lawful successor of this mantle comes of knowing how to see this chain:

Joseph Smith, Jr., is the "face" of Michael-Adam of the new world.  He is the Rod from the Root of Jesse/David.

The appointed successor was Eve (the Church) who joined together with Adam and became a body of "one flesh".  This is why the Priesthood and the Church appear to have merged upon his passing.  The oracle calling for this is found in D&C 90:3-5.

The appointed successor of the Church is the Son of Man (Abel).  This was called for in the 1880 oracle of junior apostle Wilford Woodruff.

The appointed successor of Abel was Seth.  The name Seth means "appointed", so there you have it.  Seth was born when Adam was 130 years old.  The Adam of the new world was birthed on April 6th, 1830.  Robert Crossfield began receiving "thus saith the Lord" revelations in 1960-1961, which is the exact timing of when Seth, the appointed kinsman redeemer brother to Abel, was born.

Robert Crossfield is the "face" of the Son of Man.  The person who presides over these covenant bodies is the "face" of the body.

Edited November 17, 2021 by ProphetShiloh

[ProphetShiloh]

4 hours ago, MiserereNobis said:

I think this is the first polygamist prophet I've seen on the board since I came here a decade ago. It's quite fascinating, even though most of what he says goes right over my head, since I'm not steeped in LDS history, language, and terminology.

Now, if we could only get anti-Pope Michael to show up!

https://www.vaticaninexile.com

 

I would be absolutely enthralled to meet this man who is speaking out against the religious corruption of the Catholic Church!

[ProphetShiloh]

10 hours ago, gopher said:

Has anything been revealed to you about same-sex polygamy?  That will guarantee you at least 50 pages of discussion on this forum!

Not really.  Sorry to disappoint you.  Though it should be understood that the only same-sex relations condemned in the scriptures is male-to-male relations.  The Lord is silent on the subject of women engaging in intimate relations with one another.

[ProphetShiloh]

4 hours ago, Tacenda said:

I swear he was at an event with Daybell at one time, heck I noticed a very prominent man in my community and cousins with my former bishop was there speaking at one of the events.

I can assure you that I was not at that event.  I have had no association whatever with Mr. Daybell.

[webbles]

15 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

Are you referring to how Robert Crossfield received the Melchizedek Priesthood?  If so, he was a convert to the Church who was ordained an Elder under the hands of N. Elden Tanner.  He is Canadian by birth and that is where N. Elden Tanner was at the time.  This is the same as who was in the First Presidency of the Church.

If you are referring to how Robert Crossfield received the mantle of Lord's Anointed prophet, I have explained that at length in other posts.  I recommend you find it for more detailed information.

What's interesting is Robert Crossfield did not know how to explain it.  He just knew that the still small voice of the Lord was speaking to him and he obeyed.  As it turns out, you cannot trace the succession of the mantle of Lord's Anointed Prophet without knowing the contents of the book sealed with seven seals.  He always just told people to read his revelations and if the Spirit testified to you that they are the word of God, then that is how you would know.

The manner in which he was the lawful successor of this mantle comes of knowing how to see this chain:

Joseph Smith, Jr., is the "face" of Michael-Adam of the new world.  He is the Rod from the Root of Jesse/David.

The appointed successor was Eve (the Church) who joined together with Adam and became a body of "one flesh".  This is why the Priesthood and the Church appear to have merged upon his passing.  The oracle calling for this is found in D&C 90:3-5.

The appointed successor of the Church is the Son of Man (Abel).  This was called for in the 1880 oracle of junior apostle Wilford Woodruff.

The appointed successor of Abel was Seth.  The name Seth means "appointed", so there you have it.  Seth was born when Adam was 130 years old.  The Adam of the new world was birthed on April 6th, 1830.  Robert Crossfield began receiving "thus saith the Lord" revelations in 1960-1961, which is the exact timing of when Seth, the appointed kinsman redeemer brother to Abel, was born.

Robert Crossfield is the "face" of the Son of Man.  The person who presides over these covenant bodies is the "face" of the body.

So Robert Crossfield was not ordained by hand to be the "Lord's Anointed prophet"?  Why is he (and maybe you) allowed to bypass the laying on of hands but Joseph Smith didn't bypass it?  What scripture allows him to gain this ordination without actually being ordained?

Oh, and just to make things exact, the first revelation to Robert was in 1961, not 1960.

Edited November 17, 2021 by webbles

[Olmec Donald]

53 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

The "one mighty and strong" is actually not a single human individual... he is the plurality of individuals (men and their sealed wives) who are proven true and faithful in all things... everyone who holds Melchizedek Priesthood is already a member of this body...

Hmmm.

The idea of a higher-level entity being formed by a union of multiple lesser-level entities seems plausible to me.  Multiple atoms formed the first molecules; multiple molecules formed the first amino acids; multiple amino acids formed the first single-celled organisms; multiple single-celled organisms... and so on.   (Not my original idea; credit to Joseph John Dewey.)

Is "the Lord's anointed prophet" likewise an entity formed by a union of multiple lesser-level entities?

Edited November 17, 2021 by Olmec Donald

[Tacenda]

19 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

I can assure you that I was not at that event.  I have had no association whatever with Mr. Daybell.

I was talking about Eric Moutsos, not you. And after doing some googling, I'm not finding the events online that I thought he went to, so it may not have happened and I'm getting him confused with someone else.

Edited November 17, 2021 by Tacenda

[ProphetShiloh]

15 minutes ago, Olmec Donald said:

Hmmm.

The idea of a higher-level entity being formed by of a union of multiple lower-level entities seems plausible to me.  Multiple atoms formed the first molecules; multiple molecules formed the first amino acids; multiple amino acids formed the first single-celled organisms; multiple single-celled organisms... and so on.   (Not my original idea; credit to Joseph John Dewey.)

Is "the Lord's anointed prophet" likewise an entity formed by a union of multiple lower-level entities?

God did indeed bequeath the mantle of Lord's Anointed Prophet upon such a being.  The Church as a whole was the appointed successor of Joseph Smith, Jr., to shoulder this mantle.  See D&C 43:3-5 as the law and D&C 90:3-5 as the fulfillment of that law.

This is also backed up by other oracles, such as the one received in 1846 by junior apostle Orson Hyde and by junior apostle Wilford Woodruff in 1880.  In the latter revelation the Lord even described how the Church was to operate in this mantle as a body.  This is also why the Lord said to the Church "be ye therefore one. or ye are not mine", meaning "mine anointed".

And, by the way, Joseph John Dewey is a former member of the group led by the Prophet Onias.  He became disaffected and left the group back in the 80's.

[ProphetShiloh]

4 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I was talking about Eric Moutsos, not you. And after doing some googling, I'm not finding the events online that I thought he went to, so it may not have happened and I'm getting him confused with someone else.

I apologize for the misunderstanding.  It seemed that the context to which you were referring was comments about me specifically.  Thank you for clarifying things.

[Olmec Donald]

2 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

God did indeed bequeath the mantle of Lord's Anointed Prophet upon such a being.

How about right now?  Is it just you?

[ProphetShiloh]

22 minutes ago, webbles said:

So Robert Crossfield was not ordained by hand to be the "Lord's Anointed prophet"?  Why is he (and maybe you) allowed to bypass the laying on of hands but Joseph Smith didn't bypass it?  What scripture allows him to gain this ordination without actually being ordained?

Oh, and just to make things exact, the first revelation to Robert was in 1961, not 1960.

If you say that the first of the revelations that were published was received in 1961 then you would be correct.

Having been a part of their group, and now being married to a woman that he referred to as his "right hand woman" who was in the group for 7 years and married to one of the counselors of this group, we know things that not anyone else can know.

He had some interesting experiences with being called upon by the Lord to visit the hill Cumorah.  This happened in 1960.

[ProphetShiloh]

Just now, Olmec Donald said:

How about right now?  Is it just you?

For the time being I am the only one acknowledged of God as such, but the World School of the Prophets is actually the body to which these keys belong.  I am the appointed president of this body, and so I am the "face" of this body of Elohim-Adam.