Polygamy and authority

[ProphetShiloh]

28 minutes ago, webbles said:

So Robert Crossfield was not ordained by hand to be the "Lord's Anointed prophet"?  Why is he (and maybe you) allowed to bypass the laying on of hands but Joseph Smith didn't bypass it?  What scripture allows him to gain this ordination without actually being ordained?

Oh, and just to make things exact, the first revelation to Robert was in 1961, not 1960.

You are confused.

The law that the Lord established governing the mantle of Lord's Anointed Prophet says nothing about any requirement to have hands laid upon your head and to be ordained to this office.  The Lord speaks to whomsoever that he pleases.  That's the point of calling it the mantle of LORD's anointed.

John the Baptist was the Lord's Anointed Prophet of his time.  Who laid their hands upon his head and ordained him as such?

Who laid their hands upon the head of Joseph Smith, Jr., to specifically ordain him as the Lord's Anointed Prophet?  Nobody.

[Tacenda]

4 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

If you say that the first of the revelations that were published was received in 1961 then you would be correct.

Having been a part of their group, and now being married to a woman that he referred to as his "right hand woman" who was in the group for 7 years and married to one of the counselors of this group, we know things that not anyone else can know.

He had some interesting experiences with being called upon by the Lord to visit the hill Cumorah.  This happened in 1960.

Do you remember the Strack family that took their lives with poison a few years ago? They had connections with one or both of the Lafferty brothers.  When Lafferty thinks he's a prophet, how very dangerous the words/actions from so called prophets like him can be. I hope your words/actions won't hurt anybody. I bring this up because of the information you've posted about Crossfield, the leader of the School of the Prophets.

https://kutv.com/news/local/killer-dan-lafferty-says-his-ideas-influenced-strack-family-suicide

[Calm]

30 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

For the time being I am the only one acknowledged of God as such, but the World School of the Prophets is actually the body to which these keys belong.  I am the appointed president of this body, and so I am the "face" of this body of Elohim-Adam.

Would you mind sharing how many others acknowledge you as such.  Not interested in names, but if there is a group you don’t mind naming, please do.  Otherwise the number of those who have told you they accepted you who are not your immediate family members is fine.  I am not trying to play gotcha, just interested in people and what they do.  If you don’t want to share, that is okay, though I am very curious. 

Edited November 17, 2021 by Calm

[webbles]

16 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

You are confused.

The law that the Lord established governing the mantle of Lord's Anointed Prophet says nothing about any requirement to have hands laid upon your head and to be ordained to this office.  The Lord speaks to whomsoever that he pleases.  That's the point of calling it the mantle of LORD's anointed.

John the Baptist was the Lord's Anointed Prophet of his time.  Who laid their hands upon his head and ordained him as such?

Who laid their hands upon the head of Joseph Smith, Jr., to specifically ordain him as the Lord's Anointed Prophet?  Nobody.

And where is this "law" that establishes the governing of the mantle of the "Lord's Anointed Prophet"?  Are you talking about D&C 43:3-5 and D&C 90:3-5:

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3 And this ye shall know assuredly—that there is ^anone other appointed unto you to receive ^bcommandments and revelations until he be taken, if he ^cabide in me.

4 But verily, verily, I say unto you, that ^anone else shall be appointed unto this gift except it be through him; for if it be taken from him he shall not have power except to appoint another in his stead.

5 And this shall be a law unto you, that ye ^areceive not the ^bteachings of any that shall come before you as revelations or commandments;

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3 Verily I say unto you, the keys of this ^akingdom shall ^bnever be taken from you, while thou art in the world, neither in the world to come;

4 Nevertheless, through you shall the ^aoracles be given to another, yea, even unto the church.

5 And all they who receive the ^aoracles of God, let them beware how they hold them lest they are accounted as a light thing, and are brought under condemnation thereby, and stumble and fall when the storms descend, and the winds blow, and the ^brains descend, and beat upon their house.

I don't see how D&C 43:3-5 helps your case.  It explicitly says that the there is "none else" who will receive this appointment unless it comes through the previous person who received it.  So, what is your line of appointment from Joseph Smith?

And D&C 90:3-5 isn't saying that the church will be able to receive oracles, but that they will receive the oracles from Joseph Smith.

D&C 43:3-5 says Joseph Smith was appointed to receive the oracles and D&C 90:3-5 says that the church will receive the oracles through Joseph Smith.  Not that the church becomes the "Lord's Anointed".

You also seem to have referenced a revelation to Orson Hyde in 1846 and a revelation to Wilford Woodruff in 1880.  I can't find an online version of Orson Hyde's revelation so I don't know what it says, but Wilford Woodruff's revelation can be found at https://historyofmormonism.com/2010/03/29/woodruff-revelation/.  I read it and I don't see how it helps your case either.  Maybe you are talking about the last few paragraphs:

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And while my servant John Taylor is your President, I wish to ask the rest of my servants of the Apostles the question, although you have one to preside over your Quorum, which is the order of God in all generations, do you not, all of you, hold the apostleship, which is the highest authority ever given to men on earth? You do. Therefore you hold in common the Keys of the Kingdom of God in all the world.

You each of you have the power to unlock the veil of eternity and hold converse with God the Father, and His Son Jesus Christ and to have the ministrations of angels

It is your right, privilege and duty to inquire of the Lord as to His mind and will concerning yourselves and the inhabitants of Zion and their interests.

And whenever any one of you receives the word of the Lord, let it be written and presented in your councils and whatever by united consent you deem wisdom to be presented unto the people, let it be presented by the President, my servant John Taylor, as the word of the Lord. In this way you will uphold him and strengthen his hands, as all the burden should not lie upon one man.

For thus saith the Lord, all mine Apostles should be full of the Holy Ghost, of inspiration and revelation to know the mind and will of God and be prepared for that which is to come. Therefore let mine Apostles keep my commandments and obey my voice and the gates of hell shall not prevail against you.

That's explicitly talking about the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.  If one of them receive a revelation, they need to bring it to their council (Council of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles) and if they all deem it wisdom, then they present it to the President.  This isn't about people who aren't members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.

[ProphetShiloh]

32 minutes ago, Calm said:

Would you mind sharing how many others acknowledge you as such.  Not interested in names, but if there is a group you don’t mind naming, please do.  Otherwise the number of those who have told you they accepted you who are not your immediate family members is fine.  I am not trying to play gotcha, just interested in people and what they do.  If you don’t want to share, that is okay, though I am very curious. 

I have taught probably about a couple dozen people in person.  All but one have walked away and are not interested in continuing.

Only one man outside of my own family is inclined to believe what I teach, but he is still unable to really grasp things.

So, I am pretty much alone with my own family.

[ProphetShiloh]

30 minutes ago, webbles said:

And where is this "law" that establishes the governing of the mantle of the "Lord's Anointed Prophet"?  Are you talking about D&C 43:3-5 and D&C 90:3-5:

I don't see how D&C 43:3-5 helps your case.  It explicitly says that the there is "none else" who will receive this appointment unless it comes through the previous person who received it.  So, what is your line of appointment from Joseph Smith?

And D&C 90:3-5 isn't saying that the church will be able to receive oracles, but that they will receive the oracles from Joseph Smith.

D&C 43:3-5 says Joseph Smith was appointed to receive the oracles and D&C 90:3-5 says that the church will receive the oracles through Joseph Smith.  Not that the church becomes the "Lord's Anointed".

You also seem to have referenced a revelation to Orson Hyde in 1846 and a revelation to Wilford Woodruff in 1880.  I can't find an online version of Orson Hyde's revelation so I don't know what it says, but Wilford Woodruff's revelation can be found at https://historyofmormonism.com/2010/03/29/woodruff-revelation/.  I read it and I don't see how it helps your case either.  Maybe you are talking about the last few paragraphs:

That's explicitly talking about the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.  If one of them receive a revelation, they need to bring it to their council (Council of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles) and if they all deem it wisdom, then they present it to the President.  This isn't about people who aren't members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.

Evidently you missed the phrase "through you" and "through him".  But if you are unable to "see" what I have typed up several times already, we can both just carry on in our own paths.  I don't feel the need to belabor things too much.  I think what I have said so far is sufficient.

Some of what you said above looks like a mistaken phraseology, but I won't quibble about it.

[ProphetShiloh]

49 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Do you remember the Strack family that took their lives with poison a few years ago? They had connections with one or both of the Lafferty brothers.  When Lafferty thinks he's a prophet, how very dangerous the words/actions from so called prophets like him can be. I hope your words/actions won't hurt anybody. I bring this up because of the information you've posted about Crossfield, the leader of the School of the Prophets.

https://kutv.com/news/local/killer-dan-lafferty-says-his-ideas-influenced-strack-family-suicide

I haven't heard about the Strack family.  That sounds tragic and unfortunate.

Perhaps it would be interesting to consider the plight of Seth to accomplish what he did.  If you read the Apocrypha books of Adam and Eve you learn that Seth went on a quest to obtain the oil of mercy in order to heal his parents Adam and Eve.  Along this quest he had to confront the dragon-serpent.  The same that had Abel killed.  This was a perilous task fraught with great danger.  Seth did sustain a bite from the dragon-serpent and his body was near unto death, but he received a miraculous healing and was able to successfully acquire that oil of mercy and heal his parents.

The Crossfield group is the flesh-and-bone body of Seth in the new world of America.  This pattern and blueprint most definitely played out since Seth is now about 60 years old.  This group has been under the direct and focused assault of the dragon-serpent because if Seth succeeds with his mission it will be the undoing of the usurpation that the dragon-serpent has over the Father's kingdom for a season.

I encourage people to pray for the healing and rejuvenation of all of the players who have dared to come into this body and face the opposition that they face.  I went through several extremely perilous circumstances in my 3 and a half years of direct association with this group.  So, yes, this is scary stuff, but take a more compassionate perspective instead of a fearful and loathsome one.

[Calm]

26 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

I have taught probably about a couple dozen people in person.  All but one have walked away and are not interested in continuing.

Only one man outside of my own family is inclined to believe what I teach, but he is still unable to really grasp things.

So, I am pretty much alone with my own family.

Thank you for sharing.  Sounds lonely.

Again, don’t share if you don’t want to, but do you ever have doubts?

Edited November 17, 2021 by Calm

[webbles]

23 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

Evidently you missed the phrase "through you" and "through him".  But if you are unable to "see" what I have typed up several times already, we can both just carry on in our own paths.  I don't feel the need to belabor things too much.  I think what I have said so far is sufficient.

Some of what you said above looks like a mistaken phraseology, but I won't quibble about it.

I didn't miss those phrases.

I'd really like to understand how you believe you received your authority.  Because I think the scriptures (especially the ones you referenced) are quite clear that it has to have a traceable lineage.  Per D&C 43:3-5 (which was given when various members were receiving revelations, like you), only Joseph Smith is given the appointment to receive revelations for the church and he would appoint the next person, who would appoint the next person, etc.  You seem to be saying that no one appointed you, and that is contra D&C 43:3-5.  So is there a different revelation that can back up your claim?

If I understand you correctly, you say that "Adam" is the church that was organized in 1830.  At some point "Adam" died (I can't quite figure out if this is 1832, 1890, or some other year) and "Abel" appeared.  "Abel" is the group of faithful saints after "Adam" died that were attacked by the dragon.  At some point, "Abel" died (again, I can't quite figure out what time that happened).  130 years later, "Seth" was born with the "School of the Prophets" that Onias (Robert) organized.  At that point, Onias became the "Lord's Anointed".  You then joined with the "School of the Prophets" and started receiving revelation (how? since you weren't the "Lord's Anointed").  You then left the "School of the Prophets" and went on your own (still receiving revelations?).  Once Onias died, you became the "Lord's Anointed".

You also seem to claim that D&C 90:3-5 says that the Church became the "Lord's Anointed", though those verses don't actually say that.

So, if I have the timeline right, Joseph Smith was the Lord's Anointed from 1820? to 1833 (when D&C 90:3-5 was received).  Joseph Smith ceased to be the Lord's anointed at that time (what does that mean about his other revelations?) and the Church was the Lord's Anointed until "Adam" or "Abel" died (not clear).  Then nothing was the Lord's Anointed between the time of "Adam"/"Abel"s death until 1960 when Onias became the Lord's Anointed.  He was the Lord's Anointed until 2018 when he died and you then became the Lord's Anointed.  Is that timeline correct?

[pogi]

15 hours ago, ProphetShiloh said:

As for the accusation of them being "white supremacists", they do consider that the "natural branches" of the house of Israel are in the main the people who are Caucasian who yet bear the recessive genetic traits of having fairness of skin and blueness in the eyes.  It isn't that these are superior traits, or that they are superior to other people.  These are simply genetic traits that give indication of who yet retains a more pure lineage from the original people of Israel.

Have you ever been to Israel?  Not a lot of recessive traits like white skin, blond hair, or blue eyes.  Why do you posit that these traits are found in the "natural branches" of the house of Israel?

Do only white skinned and blue eyed people receive the priesthood in your group?  I know that blacks are denied the priesthood, but what about other non-blue eyed people who are not direct descendants from the house of Israel?

Is the law of adoption not a thing in your group?  If you do practice the law of adoption, then why are black people the only ones excluded?  Why not other people with brown eyes, black hair, and darker than white skin, you know, like Jesus and the natural lineage of Israel?

15 hours ago, ProphetShiloh said:

I don't have a group to speak of so your answer is N/A. 

Then how do you explain this:

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 I am the appointed president of this body, and so I am the "face" of this body of Elohim-Adam.

 

15 hours ago, ProphetShiloh said:

I have ideas that are completely new and original, but if anything I should just be recognized, at the least, with ideas that are disruptive and paradigm shifting.  Unfortunately, the whacky world in which we live persecutes and shames what should be recognized as brilliance and original though.

"Brilliant" and "original thought" are not the type of self-aggrandizing language I would expect from an oracle of God.  Unless you are admitting that they are your own ideas and original thought, and not from God. 

15 hours ago, ProphetShiloh said:

I was cast out of the Crossfield group in 2011 and disallowed to have any substantial contact with any of them ever since.  I had a few chances to meet with Robert Crossfield within a couple years of his passing in 2018, and we were on good and friendly terms between us as persons, but the guy who had more or less usurped the group made sure to sabotage the friendship that we were beginning to rekindle.  All of them that remain of the Crossfield group believe that I am evil, etc.

You were kicked out of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  You were then kicked out of the Crossfield group, who was kicked out of the FLDS, who was kicked out of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.   That is a lot of kicking.  

I don't understand how you can claim to be the appointed president of the School of Prophets - isn't that the Crossfield group?

 

Edited November 17, 2021 by pogi

[Teancum]

2 minutes ago, pogi said:

You were kicked out of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  You were then kicked out of the Crossfield group, who was kicked out of the FLDS, who was kicked out of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.   That is a lot of kicking.  

I don't understand how you can claim to be the appointed president of the School of Prophets - isn't that the Crossfield group?

 

Such interesting and fascinating things that have some and grown out of Joseph Smith's restoration movement.  And they seem to get more and more bizarre as time goes on.

[Tacenda]

13 minutes ago, Teancum said:

Such interesting and fascinating things that have some and grown out of Joseph Smith's restoration movement.  And they seem to get more and more bizarre as time goes on.

That is where the bad fruit comes. I know that isn't going to sit well, and I'm not saying there isn't good fruit, just many fruit trees I guess.

[ProphetShiloh]

1 hour ago, pogi said:

Have you ever been to Israel?  Not a lot of recessive traits like white skin, blond hair, or blue eyes.  Why do you posit that these traits are found in the "natural branches" of the house of Israel?

Do only white skinned and blue eyed people receive the priesthood in your group?  I know that blacks are denied the priesthood, but what about other non-blue eyed people who are not direct descendants from the house of Israel?

Is the law of adoption not a thing in your group?  If you do practice the law of adoption, then why are black people the only ones excluded?  Why not other people with brown eyes, black hair, and darker than white skin, you know, like the natural lineage of Israel?

Wow!  That is not the self-aggrandizing language I would expect to hear from a humble oracle of God who simply serves as his mouthpiece.  True prophets don't claim credit for original ideas in theology or claim "brilliance' for their ideas.  A true prophet is just a humble mouth-piece who takes not credit for himself.  

You were kicked out of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  You were then kicked out of the Crossfield group, who was kicked out of the FLDS, who was kicked out of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.   That is a lot of kicking.  

I don't understand how you can claim to be the appointed president of the School of Prophets - isn't that the Crossfield group?

You seem to have forgotten that the native Israelite people were driven into exile from their lands into the north countries.  Just because there are people there now claiming to be the Jews doesn't mean that they have any more pure of a lineage than anyone else.  God has hidden all of the 12 tribes during their time of exile.  It is appropriate that the end times prophet like unto Moses would provide revelation from God so that their true identities would be identified.  This is why the Book of Revelation says in the end times when the New Jerusalem is established that there would be people identified in the 12 tribes of Israel.

So far as those who are Gentiles go, if they come forward and desire to be a part of things, then they are given the opportunity to be received and even potentially be adopted into one of the tribes.  The bottom line is that people need to honor and uphold the laws of the kingdom of God.  All who do this have provisions to be a part of the Zion society, even those who are completely non-Adamic can have a place.

According to the revelations of the Prophet Onias, the Adamic Race and the Negro Race are totally distinct.  I believe modern day genetic science confirms that the Negro race has been on this planet longer than the previous Adam who came 6,000 years ago.  This simple scientific question is all that has to be answered to confirm the correctness of the Crossfield materials.

So, when you understand that the God of the Bible is a tribal deity who constructs his cosmos from the raw materials of the human intelligences of his own eternal family soul group, the conclusion is that each of these races should be good neighbors and mind their own business and give due respect where it is due.  I don't expect to go to Africa and have their tribal shamans reveal all of their secrets and mysteries to me, nor do I expect them to authorize me to promulgate their sacred things to whomsoever I like.  And I certainly wouldn't want to arrogate myself to think that they should give me completely equal status to their own people on their own land.  Each distinct race has patriarchal intellectual property, so to speak, that they are sovereign to do with as they please and to reserve as they please.

Also, your remarks disparaging my character as if I had taken credit to myself from God.  You are cherry-picking statements that I made under a context that you decided to not carry forward with the words you are quoting.  The context I was speaking from was established by me saying something to the effect, to an audience of mocking critics just looking to disparage me, that at the very least instead of saying that I am some kind of a deranged lunatic that they should at the least be willing to give me credit for sharing original thought.  And, if otherwise I maintain myself as a good and productive citizen that I do not deserve to be called wacky, crazy, insane, etc.

Of course I give all credit to God for the information that he has revealed to me.  The whole notion of saying that I am a Prophet gives the context that I am merely a mouthpiece through whom God gives of his intelligence to humanity.  So, you can think as you wish, but your insults and jeering fault finding is of your own concoction here.

Your reconstruction of my personal "being kicked out" history isn't completely accurate, but it is true that I do get kicked out of every synagogue eventually.  I have investigated and associated with a wide variety of groups over the last 3 decades.  Once I figure everything out about them and then begin to endeavor to enlighten them to aspects they need to rectify, the vested interests who don't want their rackets exposed are activated to shut me down.  If the people in these groups leave me hung out to dry out of fear to stand up with me against the vested interests, I have no other choice but to let them be to remain in the hands of those with the vested interests and their rackets.

What happened with the Crossfield group and the succession of the keys of the Priesthood to me and my appointment as the president of the World School of the Prophets is revealed in the Book of Shiloh section 4 and 7.  In short, that group had rejected Robert Crossfield and chosen the guidance of David Babbitt.  God released Onias in accordance with a warning he had given them that the oracle and the scepter could be removed from them and put into the hands of others.  There are other warnings too, which have been fulfilled.  You would need to make a thorough and careful study of the revelations of the Prophet Onias to put all of it together and see it for yourself.

In saying that I don't have a group, I mean that there is nobody except for my own family who believes all of what I teach.  God has given me to be the leader of the World School, but the group isn't functional at this time.  If the LDS Church comes to understand what I teach, they will want me to be their president.  However long that takes to play out according to the rights and responsibilities given of God to the people of Zion is however long they will continue to be trodden under foot of the kingdoms of the world.

Edited November 17, 2021 by ProphetShiloh

[Calm]

20 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

According to the revelations of the Prophet Onias, the Adamic Race and the Negro Race are totally distinct.  I believe modern day genetic science confirms that the Negro race has been on this planet longer than the previous Adam who came 6,000 years ago.  This simple scientific question is all that has to be answered to confirm the correctness of the Crossfield materials.

 

If the Races are distinct, can they interbreed and if they do, who are their children?

What about the ancient DNA that has been found in the land of Israel dating back to the time of their occupation of it?  Do you believe it shows they had the recessive traits of fair skin and blue eyes?  And if not, why not?

Edited November 17, 2021 by Calm

[ProphetShiloh]

39 minutes ago, Calm said:

If the Races are distinct, can they interbreed and if they do, who are their children?

The "trees" that God plants in the "garden" of the new world are the many lineages of humanity.  God brought all the family trees to the new world in America.  However, God laid down a restriction that Adam and Eve could not receive into their bodies the fruit (individuals) from the forbidden tree.  When the Latter-day Saints received the octaroon Elijah Abel into the Church, this was Eve partaking of fruit that had been forbidden her.  When he was received into the Priesthood, this was Adam partaking of the fruit that had been forbidden him.  This is why when Joseph discovered this problem he was distraught and immediately took measures to correct it.

As to why God deemed that particular tree forbidden, only God can say.  It could be based on a treaty that was reached many cycles of world civilization ago that is being perpetuated.  I admit that this kind of logic just kicks the can down the road a ways, but separation and division aren't necessarily something to view as an evil or inappropriate thing.  Regardless, we should be careful in how we speculate as to why this was and remains the case.  If we otherwise have no assurance of something, lets look for the best win-win perspective possible and go with it, unless and until factual evidence further enlightens us.

In my personal view, not speaking as a prophet here, just at face value if interbreeding between the two were to be completely normalized, which society is endeavoring right now to do, the race with the recessive traits would sink into oblivion and no longer be expressed in not that many generations.  It seems to me that it would be the demise of the Adamic race to fully intermingle with the Negro race.  I also believe it would potentially be the demise of the Negro race as we know it as well.  Whose preservation is at stake here?  The bottom line is, for whatever reason, Elohim does not permit his Adamic race to be intermingled with the Negro race.  Those who counter this decree of separation do so in order to oppose Elohim, if not outright rebellion.

Another way to look at it could be to look at DNA as intellectual property like software.  When you have two different operating systems, you should only run software that runs properly on the operating system that it is intended for.  The manner of society that is best suited for Adamic people isn't the manner of society that the Negro DNA has developed and fostered over their evolutionary development.  There is ample room on Planet Earth for each to have their own sovereign domains, and so this is the lens through which I view things.  I view these as distinct sovereign races.

The children that are a mixture of Adamic and Negro lineage are the seed of Cain.  He is who, under the instigation and influence of Lucifer, promoted the interbreeding as had been forbidden in the Garden.  The curse that God placed upon Cain was simply the natural consequences of Cain rebelling against God.  That's pretty much how it always works.  People ignore and rebel against God and disobey him and then reap the consequences that God was intelligently attempting to warn them about.

The seed of Cain are mixed up in their DNA such that the Elohim software doesn't run sufficiently well on that platform, so to speak.  These souls are under the state that the scriptures refer to as perdition.  They are disallowed to run Elohim software and are unable to even receive the indwelling of a spirit from the heavenly host of the Holy Ghost to dwell with them.  However, they do have the choice to naturalize back into the Adamic lineage, but it takes at least waiting until the next cycle of creation for them to become naturalized back into the Adamic soul group.

Edited November 17, 2021 by ProphetShiloh

[pogi]

1 hour ago, ProphetShiloh said:

You seem to have forgotten that the native Israelite people were driven into exile from their lands into the north countries.  Just because there are people there now claiming to be the Jews doesn't mean that they have any more pure of a lineage than anyone else. 

You seem to have forgotten that Christ was a Jew and that he recognized those around him as Jews and of the house of Israel.  So, clearly Jews made their way back after exile.  Genetics show that people in Jerusalem that time all had black hair and brown eyes and darker skin.    

This image is based off of DNA and skeletal data from people in Christs time period that Jesus called Jews.  If Christ had blond hair, white skin, and blue eyes, that distinctive feature would have been pointed out in scripture.  Either way though, Christ recognized brown eyed and black haired people as direct descendants of Israel.  He did not deny their genealogies or that Abraham was their father. 

1 hour ago, ProphetShiloh said:

According to the revelations of the Prophet Onias, the Adamic Race and the Negro Race are totally distinct.  I believe modern day genetic science confirms that the Negro race has been on this planet longer than the previous Adam who came 6,000 years ago.  This simple scientific question is all that has to be answered to confirm the correctness of the Crossfield materials.

If you are going to rely on science, how do you explain the fact that white skinned blue eyed people have been around for longer than 6,000 years?

1 hour ago, ProphetShiloh said:

According to the revelations of the Prophet Onias, the Adamic Race and the Negro Race are totally distinct.  I believe modern day genetic science confirms that the Negro race has been on this planet longer than the previous Adam who came 6,000 years ago.  This simple scientific question is all that has to be answered to confirm the correctness of the Crossfield materials.

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even those who are completely non-Adamic can have a place.

Are you saying that black people (non-Adamic) can have the priesthood according to the Onias revelations?  

If Adam was the first man, are you suggesting that black people are sub-human?  

 

Edited November 17, 2021 by pogi

[The Nehor]

4 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

The "trees" that God plants in the "garden" of the new world are the many lineages of humanity.  God brought all the family trees to the new world in America.  However, God laid down a restriction that Adam and Eve could not receive into their bodies the fruit (individuals) from the forbidden tree.  When the Latter-day Saints received the octaroon Elijah Abel into the Church, this was Eve partaking of fruit that had been forbidden her.  When he was received into the Priesthood, this was Adam partaking of the fruit that had been forbidden him.  This is why when Joseph discovered this problem he was distraught and immediately took measures to correct it.

As to why God deemed that particular tree forbidden, only God can say.  It could be based on a treaty that was reached many cycles of world civilization ago that is being perpetuated.  I admit that this kind of logic just kicks the can down the road a ways, but separation and division aren't necessarily something to view as an evil or inappropriate thing.  Regardless, we should be careful in how we speculate as to why this was and remains the case.  If we otherwise have no assurance of something, lets look for the best win-win perspective possible and go with it, unless and until factual evidence further enlightens us.

In my personal view, not speaking as a prophet here, just at face value if interbreeding between the two were to be completely normalized, which society is endeavoring right now to do, the race with the recessive traits would sink into oblivion and no longer be expressed in not that many generations.  It seems to me that it would be the demise of the Adamic race to fully intermingle with the Negro race.  I also believe it would potentially be the demise of the Negro race as we know it as well.  Whose preservation is at stake here?  The bottom line is, for whatever reason, Elohim does not permit his Adamic race to be intermingled with the Negro race.  Those who counter this decree of separation do so in order to oppose Elohim, if not outright rebellion.

Another way to look at it could be to look at DNA as intellectual property like software.  When you have two different operating systems, you should only run software that runs properly on the operating system that it is intended for.  The manner of society that is best suited for Adamic people isn't the manner of society that the Negro DNA has developed and fostered over their evolutionary development.  There is ample room on Planet Earth for each to have their own sovereign domains, and so this is the lens through which I view things.  I view these as distinct sovereign races.

The children that are a mixture of Adamic and Negro lineage are the seed of Cain.  He is who, under the instigation and influence of Lucifer, promoted the interbreeding as had been forbidden in the Garden.  The curse that God placed upon Cain was simply the natural consequences of Cain rebelling against God.  That's pretty much how it always works.  People ignore and rebel against God and disobey him and then reap the consequences that God was intelligently attempting to warn them about.

The seed of Cain are mixed up in their DNA such that the Elohim software doesn't run sufficiently well on that platform, so to speak.  These souls are under the state that the scriptures refer to as perdition.  They are disallowed to run Elohim software and are unable to even receive the indwelling of a spirit from the heavenly host of the Holy Ghost to dwell with them.  However, they do have the choice to naturalize back into the Adamic lineage, but it takes at least waiting until the next cycle of creation for them to become naturalized back into the Adamic soul group.

And the mask comes off.

[ProphetShiloh]

39 minutes ago, Calm said:

What about the ancient DNA that has been found in the land of Israel dating back to the time of their occupation of it?  Do you believe it shows they had the recessive traits of fair skin and blue eyes?  And if not, why not?

I'm sorry but I am not familiar with what you are referring to here.  Perhaps you should provide a link to the research you are talking about.

[pogi]

42 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

The "trees" that God plants in the "garden" of the new world are the many lineages of humanity.  God brought all the family trees to the new world in America.  However, God laid down a restriction that Adam and Eve could not receive into their bodies the fruit (individuals) from the forbidden tree.  When the Latter-day Saints received the octaroon Elijah Abel into the Church, this was Eve partaking of fruit that had been forbidden her.  When he was received into the Priesthood, this was Adam partaking of the fruit that had been forbidden him.  This is why when Joseph discovered this problem he was distraught and immediately took measures to correct it.

As to why God deemed that particular tree forbidden, only God can say.  It could be based on a treaty that was reached many cycles of world civilization ago that is being perpetuated.  I admit that this kind of logic just kicks the can down the road a ways, but separation and division aren't necessarily something to view as an evil or inappropriate thing.  Regardless, we should be careful in how we speculate as to why this was and remains the case.  If we otherwise have no assurance of something, lets look for the best win-win perspective possible and go with it, unless and until factual evidence further enlightens us.

In my personal view, not speaking as a prophet here, just at face value if interbreeding between the two were to be completely normalized, which society is endeavoring right now to do, the race with the recessive traits would sink into oblivion and no longer be expressed in not that many generations.  It seems to me that it would be the demise of the Adamic race to fully intermingle with the Negro race.  I also believe it would potentially be the demise of the Negro race as we know it as well.  Whose preservation is at stake here?  The bottom line is, for whatever reason, Elohim does not permit his Adamic race to be intermingled with the Negro race.  Those who counter this decree of separation do so in order to oppose Elohim, if not outright rebellion.

Another way to look at it could be to look at DNA as intellectual property like software.  When you have two different operating systems, you should only run software that runs properly on the operating system that it is intended for.  The manner of society that is best suited for Adamic people isn't the manner of society that the Negro DNA has developed and fostered over their evolutionary development.  There is ample room on Planet Earth for each to have their own sovereign domains, and so this is the lens through which I view things.  I view these as distinct sovereign races.

The children that are a mixture of Adamic and Negro lineage are the seed of Cain.  He is who, under the instigation and influence of Lucifer, promoted the interbreeding as had been forbidden in the Garden.  The curse that God placed upon Cain was simply the natural consequences of Cain rebelling against God.  That's pretty much how it always works.  People ignore and rebel against God and disobey him and then reap the consequences that God was intelligently attempting to warn them about.

The seed of Cain are mixed up in their DNA such that the Elohim software doesn't run sufficiently well on that platform, so to speak.  These souls are under the state that the scriptures refer to as perdition.  They are disallowed to run Elohim software and are unable to even receive the indwelling of a spirit from the heavenly host of the Holy Ghost to dwell with them.  However, they do have the choice to naturalize back into the Adamic lineage, but it takes at least waiting until the next cycle of creation for them to become naturalized back into the Adamic soul group.

What the....!!!  

And you are not a white supremacist?  ...Riiiight!

If white people have the right God "software" and black people don't, how are white people not superior?  Black people are in perdition and white people are not.  How does that not make white people superior.  White people are descended from God the Father, black people are...something else.  How is that not white supremecy?  This is sick stuff bro. 

I am afraid that after this, your stay here will be short lived.  The boot out the door seems to be familiar for you though.  Get used to it.  

@BlueDreams Shiloh here says that you are "the seed of Cain" and in a state of perdition and dissalowed to run Elohim software and unable to receive an indwelling of the spirit.  Sorry, you are going to have to wait until "the next cycle of creation" before you can get a good ol' white skinned and blue eyed adamic soul.  But don't worry, he is not a white supremacist. 

Edited November 17, 2021 by pogi

[MiserereNobis]

21 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

The "trees" that God plants in the "garden" of the new world are the many lineages of humanity.  God brought all the family trees to the new world in America.  However, God laid down a restriction that Adam and Eve could not receive into their bodies the fruit (individuals) from the forbidden tree.  When the Latter-day Saints received the octaroon Elijah Abel into the Church, this was Eve partaking of fruit that had been forbidden her.  When he was received into the Priesthood, this was Adam partaking of the fruit that had been forbidden him.  This is why when Joseph discovered this problem he was distraught and immediately took measures to correct it.

As to why God deemed that particular tree forbidden, only God can say.  It could be based on a treaty that was reached many cycles of world civilization ago that is being perpetuated.  I admit that this kind of logic just kicks the can down the road a ways, but separation and division aren't necessarily something to view as an evil or inappropriate thing.  Regardless, we should be careful in how we speculate as to why this was and remains the case.  If we otherwise have no assurance of something, lets look for the best win-win perspective possible and go with it, unless and until factual evidence further enlightens us.

In my personal view, not speaking as a prophet here, just at face value if interbreeding between the two were to be completely normalized, which society is endeavoring right now to do, the race with the recessive traits would sink into oblivion and no longer be expressed in not that many generations.  It seems to me that it would be the demise of the Adamic race to fully intermingle with the Negro race.  I also believe it would potentially be the demise of the Negro race as we know it as well.  Whose preservation is at stake here?  The bottom line is, for whatever reason, Elohim does not permit his Adamic race to be intermingled with the Negro race.  Those who counter this decree of separation do so in order to oppose Elohim, if not outright rebellion.

Another way to look at it could be to look at DNA as intellectual property like software.  When you have two different operating systems, you should only run software that runs properly on the operating system that it is intended for.  The manner of society that is best suited for Adamic people isn't the manner of society that the Negro DNA has developed and fostered over their evolutionary development.  There is ample room on Planet Earth for each to have their own sovereign domains, and so this is the lens through which I view things.  I view these as distinct sovereign races.

The children that are a mixture of Adamic and Negro lineage are the seed of Cain.  He is who, under the instigation and influence of Lucifer, promoted the interbreeding as had been forbidden in the Garden.  The curse that God placed upon Cain was simply the natural consequences of Cain rebelling against God.  That's pretty much how it always works.  People ignore and rebel against God and disobey him and then reap the consequences that God was intelligently attempting to warn them about.

The seed of Cain are mixed up in their DNA such that the Elohim software doesn't run sufficiently well on that platform, so to speak.  These souls are under the state that the scriptures refer to as perdition.  They are disallowed to run Elohim software and are unable to even receive the indwelling of a spirit from the heavenly host of the Holy Ghost to dwell with them.  However, they do have the choice to naturalize back into the Adamic lineage, but it takes at least waiting until the next cycle of creation for them to become naturalized back into the Adamic soul group.

This is some seriously terrible stuff. Seriously terrible stuff. Mixed race children are in perdition and can’t encounter the Holy Sprit? White people are the Adamic race? This screed is just the fundamentalist LDS version of the 14 words. You are no prophet. You’re a racist white supremacist spewing  garbage created by the devil and it needs to stop. 

[ttribe]

[ProphetShiloh]

3 minutes ago, pogi said:

You seem to have forgotten that Christ was a Jew and that he recognized those around him as Jews and of the house of Israel.  So, clearly Jews made their way back after exile.  Genetics show that people in Jerusalem that time all had black hair and brown eyes and darker skin.    

This image is based off of DNA and skeletal data from people in Christs time period that Jesus called Jews.  If Christ had blond hair, white skin, and blue eyes, that distinctive feature would have been pointed out in scripture.  Either way though, Christ recognized brown eyed and black haired people as direct descendants of Israel.  He did not deny their genealogies or that Abraham was their father. 

If you are going to rely on science, how do you explain the fact that white skinned blue eyed people have been around for longer than 6,000 years?

Are you saying that black people (non-Adamic) can have the priesthood according to the Onias revelations?  

If Adam was the first man, are you suggesting that black people are sub-human?

I haven't forgotten that Jesus was of the tribe of Judah.  The Jews were gathering back to the southern kingdom prior to the coming of Jesus, but they went back into exile and were scattered again after they rejected him and had him murdered.  They were caused to "drink deep and large from the cup of her sister".  When Rome came into the southern kingdom area in 70 AD they slaughtered all the Jews who had not gone ahead and opted for self-exile.  We aren't even certain to what extent they were prevalent in number even when they were gathering back after Cyrus of Persia fostered them doing so.  We know that there wasn't a cleansing of the land of promise, aka genocide, of the non-Israelite inhabitants so they likely yet shared the region with a wide variety of people.

That image is false speculation.

And, yes, Ishmael, Esau, and Judah all intermarried with Canaanite women and brought those traits into the posterity of Abraham.  This interbreeding thing of Judah is why Jesus and the Pharisees didn't get along.  They taunted him as being the child of fornicationthrough Tamar and he retorted them by addressing their Canaanite lineage through Sheleh's foreign wives thereby attributing them to be the offspring of Cain, who Jesus referred to as the liar and murderer in the beginning.

We do know that Abraham's wife Sara was special and that she was fair and beautiful.  She would have stood out as a fair-skinned woman in that region.  Noah was known as a fair-skinned being, though Noah is a flesh-and-bone being rather than a singular individual human.  This means that Noah represents a plurality of people, all of whom would have needed to bear those characteristics for them to be attributed to Noah.  So we know that the progenitor of the continuation of the pure Adamic race was Noah and the members of his flesh-and-bone body all had the characteristics of fair skin at the least, but which also goes along with the recessive trait of blueness of the eyes.

As for the duration of the races, the model of creation that I teach is that the Adamic race renews itself over and over each cycle.  This is why God commands them to "multiply and replenish" the earth.  The concept of replenish is key.  There is an implication here that God is referring to a process that is cyclical in nature.  There was another Adam back further from the Adam of 6,000 years ago.  There is a new Adamic race being put together right now.  This Adam will foreordain his new world out for the next cycle.  This is why Adam prophesies all that shall befall his posterity to the end of that world.  He just got through spending his life foreordaining (naming) it all.  And, at the end of that cycle, there will be a new Adam, and the cycles will just continue to repeat from eternity to eternity in eternal rounds.

I did not say that the Onias revelations teach that non-Adamic people can have the priesthood.  They absolutely cannot hold any priesthood of God.  All people who have Negro blood are disallowed to hold the priesthood of the Adamic race.  I do not know if there is any sort of a patriarchal priesthood for the Negro race and what their provisions are for non-Negro people or mixed with non-Negro people are.  Elohim has these provisions and we simply need to respectfully honor the will of our patriarchal Father while meaning no offense or insult to anyone in so doing.

The Onias material does say that the people of the Negro race have a soul that functions as the souls of the beasts do, which I personally take to mean that they are a race of people who have not become fully self-realized.  I currently presume that they seem to be more in their element living in what we would call their primitive ways.  The movie "The Gods Must Be Crazy" comes rather close to making my point.  The "gods" are definitely crazy from their point of view.  Attempting to forcibly induct them into the Adamic society is either bad for them or bad for both in some way.  Elohim forbids it and so we either go along with that or we posture ourselves as an enemy of Elohim.

According to the revelations that I received, if the Negro people wish to also come and be in Zion, there are provisions for them to do so.  The provisions for them in Zion, oddly enough, entail providing for them very much what Socialism/Communism is attempting to promise everyone.  For them to be in Zion they will have everything they need provided for them in the way of housing, food, medical care, occupational education, etc., and they will also have their work assignments that they are required to do.  They are to be treated well and kept healthy in their circumstances.  If they aren't happy with their circumstances then they will need to leave Zion and perhaps go to their own land with their own people.  Any who are found to be cruel to them will incur intense disrespect as the culture of Zion will give no place for such.

[pogi]

18 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

The Onias material does say that the people of the Negro race have a soul that functions as the souls of the beasts do, which I personally take to mean that they are a race of people who have not become fully self-realized.  I currently presume that they seem to be more in their element living in what we would call their primitive ways.  The movie "The Gods Must Be Crazy" comes rather close to making my point.  The "gods" are definitely crazy from their point of view.  Attempting to forcibly induct them into the Adamic society is either bad for them or bad for both in some way.  Elohim forbids it and so we either go along with that or we posture ourselves as an enemy of Elohim.

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse!  

Go away!  You are sick. 

[ProphetShiloh]

23 minutes ago, pogi said:

What the....!!!  

And you are not a white supremacist?  ...Riiiight!

If white people have the right God "software" and black people don't, how are white people not superior?  Black people are in perdition and white people are not.  How does that not make white people superior.  White people are descended from God the Father, black people are...something else.  How is that not white supremecy?  This is sick stuff bro. 

I am afraid that after this, your stay here will be short lived.  The boot out the door seems to be familiar for you though.  Get used to it.  

@BlueDreams Shiloh here says that you are "the seed of Cain" and in a state of perdition and dissalowed to run Elohim software and unable to receive an indwelling of the spirit.  Sorry, you are going to have to wait until "the next cycle of creation" before you can get a good ol' white skinned and blue eyed adamic soul.  But don't worry, he is not a white supremacist. 

You can attempt to spin what I say into some form of hate or supremacy rant all you want, but that doesn't make it so.

The hate and superiority aspects are being injected by you because this is how the rebellion against Elohim has conditioned you to respond.  We are in a season of time when Lucifer has acquired a significant amount of power and influence in our society.  But, just as the scriptures teach, there does come a time when there is a transition when God removes the fullness of the Gospel from the Gentiles (if they reject it, and they have) and focuses specifically upon the "natural branches" of the House of Israel.  People can oppose this if they choose to, but it makes them an enemy to God if they do.  The Bible alone is choc full of tribal/lineage distinctions.  God obviously has no personal insecurity about how his celestial patriarchal order works.  If you don't like these tribal/lineage aspects of it, then you are welcome to opt out of being in the Adamic soul group.

[MiserereNobis]

Are these ideas some LDS believed prior to the lifting of the priesthood ban? Was stuff like this used as justification? I’m thinking of the first presidency letter in the 40s that was against intermarriage.