Polygamy and authority

[pogi]

21 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

I haven't forgotten that Jesus was of the tribe of Judah.  The Jews were gathering back to the southern kingdom prior to the coming of Jesus, but they went back into exile and were scattered again after they rejected him and had him murdered.

Why is there zero DNA evidence which shows that anyone had blonde hair, white skin, and blue eyes in the time of Christ?  Where are all the bodies of blonde haired and real blue eyed Jews hiding?    

[pogi]

20 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

You can attempt to spin what I say into some form of hate or supremacy rant all you want, but that doesn't make it so.

The hate and superiority aspects are being injected by you because this is how the rebellion against Elohim has conditioned you to respond.  We are in a season of time when Lucifer has acquired a significant amount of power and influence in our society.  But, just as the scriptures teach, there does come a time when there is a transition when God removes the fullness of the Gospel from the Gentiles (if they reject it, and they have) and focuses specifically upon the "natural branches" of the House of Israel.  People can oppose this if they choose to, but it makes them an enemy to God if they do.  The Bible alone is choc full of tribal/lineage distinctions.  God obviously has no personal insecurity about how his celestial patriarchal order works.  If you don't like these tribal/lineage aspects of it, then you are welcome to opt out of being in the Adamic soul group.

I never used the word "hate".  I don't think you "hate" them, but you probably look down on those silly "God's must be crazy" black people and pity them.  I used the word "supremacy". 

Please answer my questions, how could white people not be the superior race based on what you say.  I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a black person if this is all true.  Being white is by far the superior choice, and race in mortality.  Sick, sick stuff. 

Edited November 17, 2021 by pogi

[ProphetShiloh]

22 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

This is some seriously terrible stuff. Seriously terrible stuff. Mixed race children are in perdition and can’t encounter the Holy Sprit? White people are the Adamic race? This screed is just the fundamentalist LDS version of the 14 words. You are no prophet. You’re a racist white supremacist spewing  garbage created by the devil and it needs to stop. 

I invite you to acquaint yourself better with the patriarchal and tribal aspects woven throughout the Bible.  I know that people tend to try and either ignore it or inflame it and demonize it, but it is there.  The questions should really boil down to admitting that it is there and that God is serious about it and figuring out what we should we do about it.

I for one trust two things about it.

1) That God is love.
2) That he has it the way he does because it ultimately is what is for the best good of all concerned.

I sincerely ask people to give other people like me the space to fully and accurately understand God's word for what it says and to make the best of things that God calls for.  And, when I say make the best of it, I mean that we all refrain from injecting in the notion that it is based upon some kind of a hate or superiority complex.

[pogi]

20 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

I mean that we all refrain from injecting in the notion that it is based upon some kind of a hate or superiority complex.

Black people have souls like "beats" and thus are incapable of spiritual influence, but white people are not superior?  I don't think you are being honest with yourself.

Edited November 17, 2021 by pogi

[ProphetShiloh]

2 minutes ago, pogi said:

I never used the word "hate".  I don't think you "hate" them, but you probably look down on those silly "God's must be crazy" black people and pity them.  I used the word "supremacy". 

Please answer my questions, how could white people not be the superior race based on what you say.  I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a black person if this is all true.  Being white is by far the superior choice, and race in mortality.  Sick, sick stuff. 

That's the thing.  You believe that I do such, but I don't do what you presume that I do.  Perhaps you should consider the possibility that you are saying that because deep down this is what you yourself have already done.  It doesn't seem to occur to you to sincerely contemplate another point of view when this subject is raised.  Suppressing it and attempting to silence it is just gainsaying it.

What I recognize is that the intervention of a Coke bottle caused a very significant upset and disturbance to their way of life and happiness.  I do not claim to really understand what that is for them.  The movie tried to help us understand to some extent, but we really cannot get it just from watching a movie.  I clearly recognize that the lifestyle that they live and the lifestyle that I live are very different.  I think we can be far more pragmatic about these differences than you seem to think is possible.

[pogi]

19 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

That's the thing.  You believe that I do such, but I don't do what you presume that I do.  Perhaps you should consider the possibility that you are saying that because deep down this is what you yourself have already done.  It doesn't seem to occur to you to sincerely contemplate another point of view when this subject is raised.  Suppressing it and attempting to silence it is just gainsaying it.

What I recognize is that the intervention of a Coke bottle caused a very significant upset and disturbance to their way of life and happiness.  I do not claim to really understand what that is for them.  The movie tried to help us understand to some extent, but we really cannot get it just from watching a movie.  I clearly recognize that the lifestyle that they live and the lifestyle that I live are very different.  I think we can be far more pragmatic about these differences than you seem to think is possible.

Different but equal?  I think not.  Everything you say makes white peoples differences superior.  Who in their right mind would want to be a black person with their poor pitiful souls in perdition, equivalent to beast?

Let me guess, you probably think that they deserve this curse because they were less obedient or diligent in the pre-earth life.

You are trying to throw lip-stick on a pig.  It is still clearly a pig though. 

Edited November 17, 2021 by pogi

[ProphetShiloh]

1 minute ago, pogi said:

So, you would have no problem being black?  They are equal in all ways, white's are not superior at all?  

The problem I would have with being black is simply that I am not black. 

I am a sovereign soul who is Adamic.

I believe if I were black that I would have a problem with being white simply because I wasn't white.  If someone wishes to go from being white to black, I am not aware of any provisions for naturalization into that racial soul group, but it is probably feasible given time and effort over some cycles of creation.

I didn't say that the Adamic and Negro are equal in all ways.  That would be a stupid thing to say.  They aren't the same in every respect.

I said that the Adamic and the Negro races are distinct races that should be related to with due respect as such.

[ProphetShiloh]

2 minutes ago, pogi said:

Different but equal?  I think not.  Everything you say makes white peoples differences superior.  Who in their right mind would want to be a black person with their poor pitiful souls in perdition, equivalent to beast?

Let me guess, you probably think that they deserve this curse because they were less obedient or diligent in the pre-earth life.

Apparently you missed my analogy of how it should be put into perspective.

When I write out my last will and testament I will most likely bequeath everything to my children.  This won't be after I have surveyed everyone on Planet Earth and figured out some special way to tell my children that I gave all of my stuff to them because they are the most superior creatures on the planet.  It will simply be because part of me lives on in them.  So while they are of superior interest to me personally, I would not want them thinking that these blessings from me gives them any right to fancy that they are above or superior to anyone else on the planet.

Now, if I was extremely wealthy and there were others outside of who I bequeathed it to who coveted this wealth, I wouldn't put it past some thieving schemers to come up with some ruse to try and abscond with the inheritance that I decreed to go to my children only.

[pogi]

17 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

The problem I would have with being black is simply that I am not black. 

I am a sovereign soul who is Adamic.

I believe if I were black that I would have a problem with being white simply because I wasn't white.  If someone wishes to go from being white to black, I am not aware of any provisions for naturalization into that racial soul group, but it is probably feasible given time and effort over some cycles of creation.

I didn't say that the Adamic and Negro are equal in all ways.  That would be a stupid thing to say.  They aren't the same in every respect.

I said that the Adamic and the Negro races are distinct races that should be related to with due respect as such.

FYI I edited my post before you responded.

Ok, so they are not equal in all ways, but you claim that they are equal in superiority?  How could they possibly be equal on the superiority spectrum after all that you have said?  Quit kidding yourself here. 

[Chum]

12 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

The problem I would have with being black is simply that I am not black. 

The US has centuries of deep and lasting harm done by the majority making race-based value suppositions. Were I you, I'd want to make absolutely sure that every bit of every facet of where you're going here is free of that evil.

It is far from clear to me that this is the case.

Edited November 17, 2021 by Chum

[pogi]

11 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

Apparently you missed my analogy of how it should be put into perspective.

When I write out my last will and testament I will most likely bequeath everything to my children.  This won't be after I have surveyed everyone on Planet Earth and figured out some special way to tell my children that I gave all of my stuff to them because they are the most superior creatures on the planet.  It will simply be because part of me lives on in them.  So while they are of superior interest to me personally, I would not want them thinking that these blessings from me gives them any right to fancy that they are above or superior to anyone else on the planet.

Now, if I was extremely wealthy and there were others outside of who I bequeathed it to who coveted this wealth, I wouldn't put it past some thieving schemers to come up with some ruse to try and abscond with the inheritance that I decreed to go to my children only.

No, I got your analogy. white people are Gods race, and black people or something else. So, unless you think that God is not superior, then God’s race is clearly the superior race (children).

Edited November 17, 2021 by pogi

[ProphetShiloh]

3 minutes ago, pogi said:

FYI I edited my post before you responded.

Ok, so they are not equal in all ways, but you claim that they are equal in superiority?  How could they possibly be equal on the superiority spectrum after all that you have said?  Quit kidding yourself here. 

Why are you incessantly trying to put words in my mouth that I have not said?

I am saying the issues of hate and superiority are moot issues where the patriarchal order is concerned.  The way these issues become a topic of concern is when people try to use the tribal/lineage aspects of the word of God to try and justify hate and pride as if that is what God promotes them to do.  This is not what God is promoting them to do.

It is the enemies of Elohim who corrupt, pervert, etc., and inject this into things.

I am opposed to race-based hatred and notions of superiority.

[ProphetShiloh]

Just now, pogi said:

No, I got your analogy. White people are Gods race And Black people or something else. So, unless you think that God is not superior, then God’s race are clearly the superior race (children).

Good.  You read the words, but they haven't registered yet.

My point is, I am not concerned with superiority in some absolute sense.

I have a Father in heaven that I love and wish to honor.  That's it.

[MiserereNobis]

26 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

I sincerely ask people to give other people like me the space to fully and accurately understand God's word for what it says and to make the best of things that God calls for.

No, I don’t give space for terribly racist ideas to be discussed on a forum that I enjoy. You are not understanding God’s word. You are twisting around with the lies of the devil.

[ProphetShiloh]

7 minutes ago, Chum said:

The US has centuries of deep and lasting harm done by the majority making race-based value suppositions. Were I you, I'd want to make absolutely sure that every bit of every facet of where you're going here is free of that evil.

It is far from clear to me that this is the case.

I think there is plenty of room for disagreement here in terms of exactly how things should look when notions of hatred and superiority are filtered out.  In any case, the last thing people should do is ignore or rebel against their own heavenly patriarch.  This is my simple position.

[ProphetShiloh]

1 minute ago, MiserereNobis said:

No, I don’t give space for terribly racist ideas to be discussed on a forum that I enjoy. You are not understanding God’s word. You are twisting around with the lies of the devil.

I boldly declare to you that your perception of me comes from indoctrination that you would do well to question.

I do clearly understand the word of God, even if it puts me at odds with the precepts and philosophies of men.

[MiserereNobis]

1 minute ago, ProphetShiloh said:

I boldly declare to you that your perception of me comes from indoctrination that you would do well to question.

I do clearly understand the word of God, even if it puts me at odds with the precepts and philosophies of men.

😂

[Olmec Donald]

From Second Nephi chapter 26, verse 33:

"[the Lord] doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile."  [emphasis Donald's]

Maybe it's just because I'm especially thick-headed, but I'd like to include "not plain unto the children of men" in the obvious discrepancies between this verse and Shiloh's amazingly complicated position on race.

"Plain and precious things" become conspicuous by their absence.

Edited November 17, 2021 by Olmec Donald

[Chum]

12 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

think there is plenty of room for disagreement here in terms of exactly how things should look when notions of hatred and superiority are filtered out. 

If notions of hatred and superiority are filtered out, I'd expect no disagreement with it, nor room for it.

Edited November 17, 2021 by Chum

[pogi]

8 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

I boldly declare to you that your perception of me comes from indoctrination that you would do well to question.

I do clearly understand the word of God, even if it puts me at odds with the precepts and philosophies of men.

Nice dodge with your bold declaration.  Again, how are white people not the superior race - God’s race?

[ProphetShiloh]

17 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

😂

I believe I understand your distress, and hope that I do.  But, I don't want to trivialize it in the least.

I say this because it wasn't easy for me when I had to face the information that I faced that brought me to where I am.  Do please consider that what I am and what you perceive me to be should be carefully sorted out.  I also wouldn't want to be of a state of mind to deceive myself to think I am a loving person when in fact I am not.  I just want whatever love that I have to conform to the will of God, whatever that is that is also agreeable to my own soul.  Many people throw away God because they encounter things like this, but God has proven to be more wise and intelligent than me so I wish to have fidelity to what I understand his will to be.

Edited November 17, 2021 by ProphetShiloh

[ProphetShiloh]

5 minutes ago, Chum said:

If notions of hatred and superiority are filtered out, I'd expect no disagreement with it, nor room for it.

Not sure I understand what you mean by "nor room for it".

I think your reaction comes from indoctrination that causes you to inseparably conflate hatred and racism of any flavor.

[ProphetShiloh]

6 minutes ago, pogi said:

Nice dodge with your bold declaration.  Again, how are white people not the superior race - God’s race?

This isn't a dodge.  You are attempting to convince people that because I view the Adamic race and the Negro race as distinct, that this automatically and unequivocally means that I am a hateful and/or prideful person.

I don't believe it is healthy to impose such a conflation.

[MiserereNobis]

4 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said:

I believe I understand your distress, and hope that I do.  But, I don't want to trivialize it in the least.

I say this because it wasn't easy for me when I had to face the information that I faced that brought me to where I am.  Do please consider that what I am and what you perceive me to be should be carefully sorted out.  I also wouldn't want to be of a state of mind to deceive myself to think I am a loving person when in fact I am not.  I just want whatever love that I have to conform to the will of God, whatever that is that is also agreeable to my own soul.  Many people throw away God because they encounter things like this, but so far God has proven to be more wise and intelligent than me.

Actually, that emoji does not mean crying. I’m not in distress. It means laughing so hard tears are coming out. I’m laughing at your “bold declaration”

[ProphetShiloh]

15 minutes ago, Olmec Donald said:

From Second Nephi chapter 26, verse 33:

"[the Lord] doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile."  [emphasis Donald's]

Maybe it's just because I'm especially thick-headed, but I'd like to include "not plain unto the children of men" in the obvious discrepancies between this verse and Shiloh's position on race.

I wouldn't be too fast to say that you are thick-headed, but it has only been within the past several decades that society has completely reversed what used to be a completely taken-for-granted thing that white people should not interbreed with black people.  Apparently this has been plain and unquestioned for thousands and thousands of years, until after the Son of Perdition usurped the Father's Kingdom for a season.  We are in that season now, which is a season of great confusion, apostasy, wickedness, etc.

Everything in that passage above is true, we just have a different manner of interpreting it.  I harmonize it with everything else God has said.  You appear to me to be cherry-picking things to justify the world departing from age-old plain understanding that is in harmony with the word of God and the words of the true apostles and prophets of the LDS Restoration.