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As a response to the economic effects of the Covid 19 issue, I have heard church critics and those that just don't understand the concept, that the church should refund or suspend Tithing payments by members to help with their finances during the crisis. Such people might agree with the fake letter that was making the rounds a weeks or so ago. Anyone else see it?

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3 minutes ago, JAHS said:

As a response to the economic effects of the Covid 19 issue, I have heard church critics and those that just don't understand the concept, that the church should refund or suspend Tithing payments by members to help with their finances during the crisis. Such people might agree with the fake letter that was making the rounds a weeks or so ago. Anyone else see it?

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I didn’t see it, but it is ridiculous on its face, as anyone who truly understands the concept of tithing should know. Tithing, by definition, is 10 percent of one’s income, and if the income has been reduced for whatever reason, the amount of the tithe is commensurately reduced. 

Posted
17 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

I didn’t see it, but it is ridiculous on its face, as anyone who truly understands the concept of tithing should know. Tithing, by definition, is 10 percent of one’s income, and if the income has been reduced for whatever reason, the amount of the tithe is commensurately reduced. 

Yes but this letter also refers to a refund of tithing already paid which is something not likely to happen.  Instead of refunding,  there's always the Fast Offering program that helps anyone when needed.

Posted
40 minutes ago, JAHS said:

As a response to the economic effects of the Covid 19 issue, I have heard church critics and those that just don't understand the concept, that the church should refund or suspend Tithing payments by members to help with their finances during the crisis. Such people might agree with the fake letter that was making the rounds a weeks or so ago. Anyone else see it?

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Could this have been satire?  Was someone trying to be funny, maybe?

Posted
7 minutes ago, alter idem said:

Could this have been satire?  Was someone trying to be funny, maybe?

Probably trying to see how many gullible people would fall for it. Obviously it never made it to all bishops in the church.

Posted
1 hour ago, alter idem said:

Could this have been satire?  Was someone trying to be funny, maybe?

Or similar to the fake letter or announcement apologizing for the priesthood ban, something they would like to see the Church do, but don’t expect. 

Posted
2 hours ago, bluebell said:

It seems like most of the time, the people complaining about tithing don't actually pay it.

You may be right, I never had trouble paying it before my faith crisis. I'd even want to pay over and above, but mainly in fast offerings. 

Posted
2 hours ago, Rain said:

The first thought that was in my head: what a nightmare if you itemize your taxes!

 

The legal conditions surrounding donations are interesting. The laws around it also show why the verbiage was added to donation slips that funds will generally be used for the designated purpose but there is no guarantee of it. Hint: It is not because the Apostles desperately wanted to use the Temple fund to run missions or to use tithing money for Fast Offering purposes or vice versa.

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10 minutes ago, Garden Girl said:

I have been retired since 1990... this is my 30th year of retirement (I went out at age 50 because my husband was already retired).  I reactivated in Church in 1995 after being inactive for 35 years.  I started paying tithing right away and have done so ever since.  Every month I pay tithing on my pension/social sec with a joyful heart because the promise that the windows of heaven would be opened has been absolutely true in numerous ways.  I always say that I can't afford not to pay my tithing.  I do have to say that I know of some ward members who pay tithing faithfully but still struggle.  I don't know why they struggle and I seem to be particularly blessed... I just know that at age 80 I'm grateful.

GG

Congratulations on your longevity. 
 

I just passed my two-year mark for retirement. I hope to be able to look back on 30-plus years of retirement. 

Posted
9 hours ago, JAHS said:

Probably trying to see how many gullible people would fall for it. Obviously it never made it to all bishops in the church.

It appears to have been making the rounds in Africa.  I googled "LDS tithing refund letter" and looked in the recent news.  There were at least a dozen news stories in Ghana, Zambia, and Nigeria discussing this "viral" letter.  I only saw one news story exposing it as a fake (I believe it was correcting an earlier story about the letter).  

Posted
26 minutes ago, Calm said:

That is unfortunate.

You have to wonder if this was a targeted operation. I only saw a few articles in US news sites and none from European,  Asian,  or oceanic news organizations.   Most of the African articles appear to pre-date those in the US.

Posted

I've seen it in a group for UK exmormons. It was generally dismissed as fake.

Posted
5 hours ago, cacheman said:

It appears to have been making the rounds in Africa.  I googled "LDS tithing refund letter" and looked in the recent news.  There were at least a dozen news stories in Ghana, Zambia, and Nigeria discussing this "viral" letter.  I only saw one news story exposing it as a fake (I believe it was correcting an earlier story about the 

It's hard for me to understand  people who spend their time and energy on things like this What were they trying to achieve?  Are they in some sort of organization? I think they have to be to make something so inane go viral over countries.

 Childish....High school age hi jinks, imo.🤐

Posted

This one went viral, and like I mentioned in another thread, my TBM friends shared it on FB. It's not real, because a letter was posted from a stake president to a member that it isn't real. 

Image may contain: 1 person, possible text that says 'If you're struggling to find food or necessities or you just dont have the money to buy what you Go to LDS.org type in address. bring up what ward you are in and the phone number for the bishop so you can get a food order placed. You DONT have to be a member to use these services. The church focuses helping less fortunate and struggling. feel embarrassed because you need help. CHURCHOFJESUSCHRIST.ORG The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day'

Posted
6 hours ago, cacheman said:

It appears to have been making the rounds in Africa.  I googled "LDS tithing refund letter" and looked in the recent news.  There were at least a dozen news stories in Ghana, Zambia, and Nigeria discussing this "viral" letter.  I only saw one news story exposing it as a fake (I believe it was correcting an earlier story about the letter).  

Whoever made the fake tithing letter didn't learn anything from the guy who made the fake apology for the priesthood ban.

Posted
3 hours ago, bluebell said:

Whoever made the fake tithing letter didn't learn anything from the guy who made the fake apology for the priesthood ban.

Depends on their goal

Posted
4 hours ago, bluebell said:

Whoever made the fake tithing letter didn't learn anything from the guy who made the fake apology for the priesthood ban.

I believe I know who it is, listened to a recent podcast with RFM, he mentioned he put it out, I swear he said it, usually I'm half awake. He could have done the PH ban one as well. https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/2020/05/radio-free-mormon-167-tithing-refund/

He also talks about the PEF, Perpetual Education Fund. And I had no idea it was run like this. Maybe it's no big deal, but he mentions that the church doesn't touch the "principal" amount only the "interest" made off of the "principal", that is given out for school loans. And mentions that the loans need to be paid back with a small amount of interest, why interest?? Oh, well.  So that makes me scratch my head on it being right to do that. But what do I know about these funds.

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2 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I believe I know who it is, listened to a recent podcast with RFM, he mentioned he put it out, I swear he said it, usually I'm half awake. He could have done the PH ban one as well. https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/2020/05/radio-free-mormon-167-tithing-refund/

He also talks about the PEF, Perpetual Education Fund. And I had no idea it was run like this. Maybe it's no big deal, but he mentions that the church doesn't touch the "principal" amount only the "interest" made off of the "principal", that is given out for school loans. And mentions that the loans need to be paid back with a small amount of interest, why interest?? Oh, well.  So that makes me scratch my head on it being right to do that. But what do I know about these funds.

Well yea, if you want it to be 'perpetual', you don't touch the principle amount, duh.  Was he complaining about that?  Does he have a clue how these things work?  It was inspired by the Perpetual Emigration fund, which was designed to be self sustaining and the point is for those who use it to 'give back' to those in the future who will use it also, it's a loan, so it has some interest, but the assumption is it helps the beneficiary to get a good job so it's not a hardship to pay back. And then, those in the future will have money available for their loans as well. The more money in it as it grows, the more available for loans.  Am I wrong in feeling that some people, like RFM are constantly running down the church and looking to accuse and criticize on everything it does?  This one really takes the cake, I just can't come up with why he'd complain about it. Maybe he could do a little research first, before assuming the church is somehow being miserly, stingy and greedy--at the same time they are making low interest rate loans widely available! imo.

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A little interest ensures those who get it are serious about improving their lives, imo, so it is less likely to be a loss and prevent someone else from getting a loan. It also encourages them to pay it back in a timely manner, which is good for them as well as the Church as it is hard to have debt hanging in you. 

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Posted
3 hours ago, Calm said:

Depends on their goal

That’s true. If their goal was to cause hurt and confusion, they probably feel accomplished. 

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