hope_for_things Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 https://www.deseret.com/faith/2020/3/12/21177623/mormon-church-lds-meetings-canceled-worldwide-coronavirus-covid-19 Wisdom prevailed, everything is now cancelled.
hope_for_things Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, bluebell said: I thought the church cancelled all stake conferences in the US a couple of days ago I did too, then I checked the press release and it said effective Monday. Thankfully they’ve now changed course. Everything is cancelled. https://www.deseret.com/faith/2020/3/12/21177623/mormon-church-lds-meetings-canceled-worldwide-coronavirus-covid-19 1
Ahab Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, hope_for_things said: https://www.deseret.com/faith/2020/3/12/21177623/mormon-church-lds-meetings-canceled-worldwide-coronavirus-covid-19 Wisdom prevailed, everything is now cancelled. Yes. Interesting times we are living in now. No more Church meetings until further notice, at least not on a ward or stake level. Smaller gatherings now. Much smaller. I wonder how long this will go on. Oops, we have the worldwide General Conference coming up soon, so we'll be having a really big gathering, in spirit, in about 2 or 3 weeks. Just no more physical gatherings, aside from the smaller gatherings in our own homes. Edited March 12, 2020 by Ahab
Stargazer Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 5 hours ago, bsjkki said: But Utah Gov. Gary Herbert said Utah will take “proactive” steps to prevent spread of novel coronavirus. “It’s better for us to be too early than to be too late,” he said The Boris Johnson administration in the UK has had a press conference where they were talking about measures to slow down the progress of the pandemic and its severity in Britain, and one of the things they emphasized was that it was a bad idea to be too early with severe measures. They said that this was because lengthening the measures effective time would prove counterproductive due to people getting weary of following them and lead to people beginning to disregard them at about the time when they were most needed to be conformed to. I guess this is analogous with one's military being on high alert too long -- eventually it wears the troops out and causes the alert state to slip, and probably at exactly the wrong time. 1
bsjkki Posted March 13, 2020 Author Posted March 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Stargazer said: The Boris Johnson administration in the UK has had a press conference where they were talking about measures to slow down the progress of the pandemic and its severity in Britain, and one of the things they emphasized was that it was a bad idea to be too early with severe measures. They said that this was because lengthening the measures effective time would prove counterproductive due to people getting weary of following them and lead to people beginning to disregard them at about the time when they were most needed to be conformed to. I guess this is analogous with one's military being on high alert too long -- eventually it wears the troops out and causes the alert state to slip, and probably at exactly the wrong time. Well, I think I will follow my church leaders over Boris Johnson. It might be tough for a bit but we need to slow this down. Italian doctors have said don't wait until it is too late. We are about where China was mid January...it exploded and now is receding. Italy got hit mid February. 2
The Nehor Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, Stargazer said: The Boris Johnson administration in the UK has had a press conference where they were talking about measures to slow down the progress of the pandemic and its severity in Britain, and one of the things they emphasized was that it was a bad idea to be too early with severe measures. They said that this was because lengthening the measures effective time would prove counterproductive due to people getting weary of following them and lead to people beginning to disregard them at about the time when they were most needed to be conformed to. I guess this is analogous with one's military being on high alert too long -- eventually it wears the troops out and causes the alert state to slip, and probably at exactly the wrong time. Yeah, the problem the US specifically has is that due to the lack of testing we have less idea then much of the rest of the world how widespread this is. Most epidemiologists I have read (and I am a disaster voyeur and have read quite a bit) suspect high four digit numbers of infected in the US if not tens of thousands.
bluebell Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, bsjkki said: Well, I think I will follow my church leaders over Boris Johnson. It might be tough for a bit but we need to slow this down. Italian doctors have said don't wait until it is too late. We are about where China was mid January...it exploded and now is receding. Italy got hit mid February. Exactly. Most US hospitals run at 80% capacity. Percentage-wise, very few CV cases need hospitalization but if everyone get's this at once, the hospitals will not have the resources or staff to care for us. And then the mortality rate will go up because people who would have been saved with good care will begin to die. So slowing the rate of transmission so hospitals are not overrun will help immensely. 3
The Nehor Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, bluebell said: Exactly. Most US hospitals run at 80% capacity. Percentage-wise, very few CV cases need hospitalization but if everyone get's this at once, the hospitals will not have the resources or staff to care for us. And then the mortality rate will go up because people who would have been saved with good care will begin to die. So slowing the rate of transmission so hospitals are not overrun will help immensely. This is probably the primary goal at this point. 2
bsjkki Posted March 13, 2020 Author Posted March 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, The Nehor said: This is probably the primary goal at this point. It's been the primary goal for some time. We've been buying time to prepare.
The Nehor Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, bsjkki said: It's been the primary goal for some time. We've been buying time to prepare. I am not entirely sure of that. The early US quarantines suggest they were going more after containment than mitigation but it was government so left hand could have been doing one thing while the right hand did another. It has been in this stage for the last few weeks though and it is probably not worth a discussion so I will shut up. Sorry.
Calm Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) If I was a college kid with some extra time on my hands, might be a good idea if healthy to print up flyers and post in condos or assisted living places picking up groceries or other errands for the next month or two, especially if one had a relative in the area that could vouch for one's honesty and healthy habits. Though some stores offer deliver now. Edited March 13, 2020 by Calm
Calm Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 So maybe with BYU shut down and students encouraged to go home, they can get the HC chaos figured out by the time the students come back.
Robert F. Smith Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 5 hours ago, provoman said: Few have the privilege to be blessed with access to Blue Bell ice cream... Yeh, but how many BYU students licked the ice cream and replaced the Blue Bell top and put it back in the store freezer? 1
sunstoned Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 The state university I teach at (the largest in Utah) has announced today that classes will now be transitioned to on-line. All large meetings have now been discontinued and will happen in a online setting only. My school has stopped short of canceling commencement (graduation) exercises that are scheduled at the end of April, but their cancellation is a distinctive possibility. It is my understanding that BYU has already done this. I am saddened by all of this. My students paid for a in-class, on campus experience, and now that is not happening. If this situation does not improve, many will be deprived of walking at graduation in their robes. A tradition that dates back many centuries. Additionally, moving on-campus classes to on-line only is also not a trivial undertaking. We all need to take this world wide medical situation very seriously. 4
The Nehor Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Calm said: So maybe with BYU shut down and students encouraged to go home, they can get the HC chaos figured out by the time the students come back. Clearly God engineered this whole thing to distract from it. 1
The Nehor Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 5 hours ago, hope_for_things said: https://www.deseret.com/faith/2020/3/12/21177623/mormon-church-lds-meetings-canceled-worldwide-coronavirus-covid-19 Wisdom prevailed, everything is now cancelled. Wisdom is doing what now? https://blog.ucsusa.org/michael-halpern/white-house-removes-public-health-experts-from-coronavirus-discussions
Calm Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Nehor said: Clearly God engineered this whole thing to distract from it. Why am I not surprised you and I had that 'thought'. I had the urge to post that about a week ago. I just had greater self control, I guess...even if I did give into temptation for my above comment. How long have you been holding that in? Edited March 13, 2020 by Calm
The Nehor Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, Calm said: Why am I not surprised you and I had that 'thought'. I had the urge to post that about a week ago. I just had greater self control, I guess...even if I did give into temptation for my above comment. How long have you been holding that in? Days, and that was one of my milder joking theories. Some get really dark. On a lighter note here is a brief glimpse into our future: 1
Calm Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) So my credit union sent out an email describing how they are disinfecting high traffic surfaces and don't forget the mobile app, etc. At the close was this comment, which I thought was a nice touch but wondering what it means. Maybe allowing for extensions of loan payments if work interruptions? Quote Should you encounter hardship as a result of the coronavirus, please contact us. This all is getting really complicated. Edited March 13, 2020 by Calm 1
hope_for_things Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 8 hours ago, The Nehor said: Wisdom is doing what now? https://blog.ucsusa.org/michael-halpern/white-house-removes-public-health-experts-from-coronavirus-discussions Only thing we can do is vote the guy out of office.
Tacenda Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Calm said: So my credit union sent out an email describing how they are disinfecting high traffic surfaces and don't forget the mobile app, etc. At the close was this comment, which I thought was a nice touch but wondering what it means. Maybe allowing for extensions of loan payments if work interruptions? This all is getting really complicated. Today Rocky Mountain Power posted they will not disconnect any power for delinquent accounts. I believe like this power company, the bank is probably thinking people will have major struggles with everything closing down. Edited March 13, 2020 by Tacenda
Calm Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Today Rocky Mountain Power posted they will not disconnect any power for delinquent accounts. I believe like this power company, the bank is probably thinking people will have major struggles with everything closing down. Hopefully not too many, but good for them for proactively thinking about it and easing worries. Great PR. 1
Calm Posted March 15, 2020 Posted March 15, 2020 Daughter in law is school aid and while her kids are sent home, she has to work because special needs kids still have their programs. I am guessing they are weighing difficulty of finding trained caregivers if parents work as well as many needing consistent routines to keep stress down with the lower risk to children over all 2
JAHS Posted March 15, 2020 Posted March 15, 2020 Our former Stake President just passed away and it made me think of what people are going to do about funerals. There will definately be more than 100 people who will want to go to his funeral. I guess if they don't hold it in a chapel they could use something like Skype, Zoom, or Youtube.
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