Lent

[Damien the Leper]

2 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Gotta say my least favorite thing to contemplate is my sinful nature. 
 

On an only slightly related note, I just watched a news conference with President Trump on the coronavirus. The news anchor on Fox had this very distracting black mark on his forehead. I only wondered for a moment before I Googled “Ash Wednesday” and learned that it is today. 

Yup. Today is Ash Wednesday. I just got mine about an hour ago as it was the only Mass I could attend today. Not sure why it's so difficult to draw an Ash Cross more clearly on the forehead.

[Damien the Leper]

2 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Except that for me, it is no sacrifice. If the Church were to repeal the Word of Wisdom tomorrow, I would not have the least interest in those nasty substances. 

When I was a member, I wished the church would add Dr. Pepper to the do not drink list. Nasty business that is.

[Damien the Leper]

3 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

What I’m triggered by is the outlandish assertion that near-beer is permissible under the Word of Wisdom. 

And it is a beautiful triggering, Scott. Sometimes your reactions get me to laugh and not mockingly so. What I picture are tires coming to a screeching halt.

Edited February 27, 2020 by Valentinus

[mfbukowski]

1 hour ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

Lent is the standard past tense of lend. This one time, Ahab is right.

I did not know that! Yay!

I stand corrected. Well actually at the moment I sit corrected.

 

[Anonymous Mormon]

3 hours ago, Ahab said:

I agree that it is no sacrifice for you, then.  I, on the other hand, really enjoyed the taste of wine and beer and rum with Coke and several other mixed drinks, and coffee and iced tea and sometimes hot tea, so giving those up was a real sacrifice for me.

If those things are things you don't like anyway, you wouldn't be drinking them anyway, so it's really nothing to give up since you wouldn't be having those things anyway.

 

edited to add: and I was talking about drinks with the regular amount of alcohol in them.  I still drink beer and wine but only the very low or no alcohol versions, which are still okay to drink unless you're on a mission with very strict mission rules.

@Ahab - I am dying of laughter with this comment. My wife probably thinks I've gone mad I'm laughing so hard.

Honestly, there are days where I wonder if you aren't just a professional troll. In nearly every thread you manage to say something that gives me pause.

Do you really drink low alcohol beverages some times? How much alcohol in wine is okay (and when is it no longer wine but grape juice)? Or are you just pulling our legs?????

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Wait, what? He was claiming to have gone five years without sinning?  🙄

Oh yeah. That is a fun thread too.

[The Nehor]

13 minutes ago, Anonymous Mormon said:

@Ahab - I am dying of laughter with this comment. My wife probably thinks I've gone mad I'm laughing so hard.

Honestly, there are days where I wonder if you aren't just a professional troll. In nearly every thread you manage to say something that gives me pause.

Do you really drink low alcohol beverages some times? How much alcohol in wine is okay (and when is it no longer wine but grape juice)? Or are you just pulling our legs?????

If he is I have some admiration for how well he has played the long game.

[mfbukowski]

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Edited February 27, 2020 by mfbukowski

[mfbukowski]

2 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Wait, what? He was claiming to have gone five years without sinning?  🙄

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/72632-personal-relationship-with-jesus-christ/?do=findComment&comment=1209959625

 

[Calm]

7 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

  Page 9  Monday 4:03 pm, personal relationship with Christ thread.

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/72632-personal-relationship-with-jesus-christ/?do=findComment&comment=1209959625

Time stamp varies depending on time zone.

edited:  second place in getting this up...that's what I get for hanging out too much at web sleuths...

Edited February 27, 2020 by Calm

[mfbukowski]

2 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Wait, what? He was claiming to have gone five years without sinning?  🙄

Couldn't post the link for some reason.

Personal relationship with Christ thread Monday 4:03 p.m. page 9

"You should let me speak for myself about whether or not I commit sin.  You don't really know me very well at all.  And I have already told you that I haven't sinned in quite a while now.  I don't remember how long it has been, exactly, because I'd rather not try to remember, but it has been a while.  Maybe a year or two, or 3, maybe 5?  I really don't know or remember.  Sin is something I hate and since I hate it I really don't like to do it so that probably helps me to avoid it.  And it's not something I recommend, either."

Edited February 27, 2020 by mfbukowski

[Calm]

14 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

Couldn't post the link for some reason.

Yours worked fine for me.

If someone is on ignore, a link to their post takes one to the post below it, but all one needs to do is scroll up and use "show post" under the options.

Edited February 27, 2020 by Calm

[strappinglad]

And then there are those rum filled chocolates... num, num . Also my mother's home made root beer that had a bit of a kick to it after a week or so. My first experience with ' don't ask don't tell. ' 

On a scale from Nyquil to Everclear where do we draw the line? Personally , I would draw the line at 1 % just like my milk. 😍

[Calm]

6 minutes ago, strappinglad said:

And then there are those rum filled chocolates... num, num . Also my mother's home made root beer that had a bit of a kick to it after a week or so. My first experience with ' don't ask don't tell. ' 

On a scale from Nyquil to Everclear where do we draw the line? Personally , I would draw the line at 1 % just like my milk. 😍

NyQuil...one of the worst nights of my life, bouncing off walls.  Ticks me off because my kids and husband can knock themselves out when sick and sleep through it.  Isn't that like 25%? 

[Damien the Leper]

Vodka martini chased by ambien, xanax and prozac is where I draw the line. Any more and you've got problems.

[Scott Lloyd]

2 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/72632-personal-relationship-with-jesus-christ/?do=findComment&comment=1209959625

 

Weird. 

[Scott Lloyd]

4 hours ago, Valentinus said:

And it is a beautiful triggering, Scott. Sometimes your reactions get me to laugh and not mockingly so. What I picture are tires coming to a screeching halt.

Good imagery. I’m glad to amuse you. (And that is sincere.)

[Scott Lloyd]

4 hours ago, Valentinus said:

When I was a member, I wished the church would add Dr. Pepper to the do not drink list. Nasty business that is.

That’s about the only caffeinated beverage I do like. I gave it up long ago. 

[Robert F. Smith]

6 hours ago, Ahab said:

.......................  I still drink beer and wine but only the very low or no alcohol versions, which are still okay to drink unless you're on a mission with very strict mission rules.

Is that what they call "near beer"?  I've never seen it, but somebody told me about it when I was a kid.

When I lived in Israel, one of my hosts gave me a non-alcoholic beer.  It tasted pretty good.

At Mexican stores, you can purchase a non-alcoholic Caribbean malta (try Goya brand).  Get a six-pack.  Very healthy stuff.  Will get you side glances from your ministers or your bishop.

[Damien the Leper]

1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said:

That’s about the only caffeinated beverage I do like. I gave it up long ago. 

I wish I could hate you. 😂

[Stargazer]

7 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Wait, what? He was claiming to have gone five years without sinning?  🙄

This seems to be technically possible, actually.

If one can reduce acts of sin to a defined list -- and if you can't, then you're basically saying that you have no way of knowing what is a sin and what isn't -- then it seems possible that through determination one can eventually be able to avoid sinning. Doesn't mean that one is perfect, naturally, since previous sins would have taken you over the edge into being a sinner, and no amount of repentance can remove that fact.

But I wonder how it would work, in general. Because Christ's atonement only kicks in after we have repented, and each new sin we commit erases that forgiveness, and we must repent once again.  So unless we can say "I'm currently in the state of having committed no sin since [this date]" then we are not forgiven.  I am at this moment trying to determine when was the last time I sinned, and whether I have repented of it yet. Hmmm.

[Stargazer]

10 hours ago, Ahab said:

When I lend something I say I lent it.  Otherwise I don't know much about what Lent is all about.

 

7 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

Lent is the standard past tense of lend. This one time, Ahab is right.

 

5 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

I did not know that! Yay!

I stand corrected. Well actually at the moment I sit corrected.

 

Mark: No, you were not corrected. But I will correct you here in this post.

Hamba: No, he wasn't.  Lent in this case is not synonymous with lent. In the English language, being old and acquisitive (meaning it borrows assiduously from other languages), two words spelled exactly the same can have completely different and unrelated meanings, and context must be consulted to determine which meaning is meant. Or, as in this case, the original word used for the religious holiday got worn down through use over the centuries until it became identical to the past tense of the word lend, but its origin and meaning is different.

Ahab: Lent is about giving pleasurable stuff up for the purpose of increasing one's humility and gratitude.

As for Lent in the sense meant by the OP,

"The English word Lent is a shortened form of the Old English word lencten, meaning "spring season", as its Dutch language cognate lente (Old Dutch lentin) still does today."

And on a completely unrelated tangent, I note that I am using chisamus in responding to the quotes above.

Edited February 27, 2020 by Stargazer

[mfbukowski]

39 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

 

 

Mark: No, you were not corrected. But I will correct you here in this post.

Hamba: No, he wasn't.  Lent in this case is not synonymous with lent. In the English language, being old and acquisitive (meaning it borrows assiduously from other languages), two words spelled exactly the same can have completely different and unrelated meanings, and context must be consulted to determine which meaning is meant. Or, as in this case, the original word used for the religious holiday got worn down through use over the centuries until it became identical to the past tense of the word lend, but its origin and meaning is different.

Ahab: Lent is about giving pleasurable stuff up for the purpose of increasing one's humility and gratitude.

As for Lent in the sense meant by the OP,

"The English word Lent is a shortened form of the Old English word lencten, meaning "spring season", as its Dutch language cognate lente (Old Dutch lentin) still does today."

And on a completely unrelated tangent, I note that I am using chisamus in responding to the quotes above.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/loan-vs-lend

[Stargazer]

9 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/loan-vs-lend

That's amusing!

It's interesting about how some words and spelling of words differ between American and British English. Over here in England I get the occasional amused glance when I say aluminum instead of aluminium, but aluminium was not the original name for the metal. Humphrey Davy, the British chemist who first isolated and named it, called it aluminum. Others objected because of all the elements ending in -ium, and that is how it got to be aluminium over here, but the Americans and Canadians took on the first name he gave it.  See Etymology of Aluminium.  Another example is soccer.  Brits think soccer is an unholy Americanism, but it actually comes from the British official name of the sport, association football, and was created in England (at Oxford University), not the USA. 

A book I have enjoyed reading that talks about the evolution of the English language is Bill Bryson's "The Mother Tongue - English And How It Got That Way."

[Hamba Tuhan]

1 hour ago, Stargazer said:

Lent in this case is not synonymous with lent.

I think even Ahab knows we're dealing with homophones here.