Calm Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) Officially Wednesday... https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156618966208021&id=564113020 PS: FairMormon will be carrying it, of course. Edited November 23, 2019 by Calm 4
InCognitus Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 I enjoyed his discussion on the Lost 116 pages, from the LDS Perspectives Podcast back on January 31st (here: https://ldsperspectives.com/2018/01/31/lost-116-pages-book-mormon/ ). I'm looking forward to the book.
strappinglad Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 Questions that I have about the lost pages start with … why? Why give the entire manuscript to Martin? Why not bring Martin's wife to the house and show her what has been done so far? Why not make a copy of at least a few pages to give to Martin? 1
Robert F. Smith Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 I don't do Facebook, but another announcement is available at https://gregkofford.com/products/the-lost-116-pages . Am looking forward to this.
Robert F. Smith Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, strappinglad said: Questions that I have about the lost pages start with … why? Why give the entire manuscript to Martin? Why not bring Martin's wife to the house and show her what has been done so far? Why not make a copy of at least a few pages to give to Martin? Yeh, 20-20 hindsight.
Tacenda Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) I've been reading Don's FB since the OP provided a link to his announcement, and started reading on down on all of his posts. I especially liked what he had to say about his research, he said it didn't matter if what he found was faithful or unfaithful, (not in those words exactly) but that the truth is all he is after. Love Don! Edited November 23, 2019 by Tacenda
Metis_LDS Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, strappinglad said: Questions that I have about the lost pages start with … why? Why give the entire manuscript to Martin? Why not bring Martin's wife to the house and show her what has been done so far? Why not make a copy of at least a few pages to give to Martin? A really good question. We know Martin Harris financially guaranteed the first printing of the BOM. So money complicates everything. I am guessing that some people gave Martin a hard time maybe even his wife (you are going to lose the farm, you are dumb etc...) so a few pages would not suffice. I can easily imagine Martin saying to Joesph "I put up all this money and all I want is to borrow some chapters for a while" So Martin IMO was fixed on having something substantial in his hands for his troubles, risks etc...
Metis_LDS Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: I don't do Facebook Thank goodness there are some of us left! 1
Calm Posted November 23, 2019 Author Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: I don't do Facebook, Only when someone else points me there, do I venture. There is no real way to search and it is difficult to pull up long conversations all at once. I have to say I really, really dislike it and don't understand the appeal unless one wants to just notify people of things rather than discuss. 2
Kenngo1969 Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) Not that it matters a great deal, bit I do wonder (at least slightly), why Greg Kofford Books? Edited November 23, 2019 by Kenngo1969
CA Steve Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 11 hours ago, strappinglad said: Questions that I have about the lost pages start with … why? Why give the entire manuscript to Martin? Why not bring Martin's wife to the house and show her what has been done so far? Why not make a copy of at least a few pages to give to Martin? Martin Harris was 22 years older than Joseph and wealthy. In all likelihood it did not occur to a young 23 year-old Joseph Smith to question whether or not Harris could be trusted with the manuscript as he needed Martin's support. It isn't that end of the story I find questionable. I hope Don spends some time in his book discussing the reasoning given for not re-translating the 116 pages, which in my view, is not very plausible. By the way, interesting side note I did not know until I just looked up Harris' birth date, is that his wife Lucy was his first cousin. 2
Kevin Christensen Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 Cool. He recently emailed me asking for a quote from Paradigms Regained, since he has misplaced his copy in a move. He said he was very close to finishing. Kevin Christensen Canonsburg, PA
Calm Posted November 23, 2019 Author Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kenngo1969 said: Not that it matters a great deal, bit I do wonder (at least slightly), why Greg Kofford Books? My guess is because they publish more academic type books, like Brant Gardner’s series on the Book of Mormon. They have some fantastic books. On the rare (in comparison to how I used to) occasions I buy books these days, half at least are from them. Edited November 23, 2019 by Calm 2
strappinglad Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 1 hour ago, CA Steve said: not re-translating the 116 pages, which in my view, is not very plausible. When I see the fun critics had with the Spaulding work, I can just imagine the chaos created with a close work if it could be attributed to Joseph or someone else. 1
CA Steve Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 45 minutes ago, strappinglad said: When I see the fun critics had with the Spaulding work, I can just imagine the chaos created with a close work if it could be attributed to Joseph or someone else. How does one change a handwritten manuscript so that it is significantly different from a 2nd close work without it being immediately obvious that the differences only occur where those changes were made? 2
strappinglad Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, CA Steve said: How does one change a handwritten manuscript so that it is significantly different from a 2nd close work without it being immediately obvious that the differences only occur where those changes were made? Never underestimate the ingenuity of someone with an axe to grind … and a lot of time on their hands. ( see Hoffman ) 1
CA Steve Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, strappinglad said: Never underestimate the ingenuity of someone with an axe to grind … and a lot of time on their hands. ( see Hoffman ) Hoffman spent years in the special collections at BYU studying the handwriting of the people whose writing he was copying and the documents he created were new. He did not attempt to take a existing historical document of which there were other similar copies and try and change it so it said something substantially different. I do not think that is comparable. If the actual original 116 pages had ever surfaced with changes made by the thieves and Joseph had recreated his own second version, it would of been a simple matter to compare the original to the new one and see that they differed only where changes had been made. Just take a look at some of the beautiful photos on the JSPP of the original documents created for the printer's manuscript, for example, and it is immediately obvious that any changes on those documents, even small ones, are quite obvious. Printer’s Manuscript of the Book of Mormon 2
Avatar4321 Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 1 hour ago, CA Steve said: How does one change a handwritten manuscript so that it is significantly different from a 2nd close work without it being immediately obvious that the differences only occur where those changes were made? Why do you think it would be necessary to make it obvious that the changes weren't made? All Satan needs is an excuse. A reason, no matter how flimsy, to disbelieve and he could get people to disbieve. Just look at all he does with the obvious nonsense out there about the Church 1
ksfisher Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 16 hours ago, strappinglad said: Questions that I have about the lost pages start with … why? Why give the entire manuscript to Martin? Why not bring Martin's wife to the house and show her what has been done so far? Why not make a copy of at least a few pages to give to Martin? Hindsight is...
strappinglad Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 1 hour ago, ksfisher said: Hindsight is... Ya , I know. Joseph needed a little more Abraham in him to negotiate with the Lord. 🙄 1
ksfisher Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 33 minutes ago, strappinglad said: Ya , I know. Joseph needed a little more Abraham in him to negotiate with the Lord. 🙄 35 minutes ago, strappinglad said: Ya , I know. Joseph needed a little more Abraham in him to negotiate with the Lord. 🙄 “Peradventure Martin loses 50 of the pages, wilt thou...” 3
Robert F. Smith Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 7 hours ago, CA Steve said: Martin Harris was 22 years older than Joseph and wealthy. In all likelihood it did not occur to a young 23 year-old Joseph Smith to question whether or not Harris could be trusted with the manuscript as he needed Martin's support. It isn't that end of the story I find questionable. I hope Don spends some time in his book discussing the reasoning given for not re-translating the 116 pages, which in my view, is not very plausible. On the other hand, if he had reproduced those pages, Joseph would have been accused of reading from an already prepared book -- which is now a problem with Early Modern English. 7 hours ago, CA Steve said: By the way, interesting side note I did not know until I just looked up Harris' birth date, is that his wife Lucy was his first cousin. First cousin marriage was once quite common in the West (Western civilization).
Popular Post Robert F. Smith Posted November 24, 2019 Popular Post Posted November 24, 2019 There is also a preview of Don's book online at https://www.academia.edu/41028278/The_Lost_116_Pages_Reconstructing_the_Book_of_Mormons_Missing_Stories_-_PREVIEW_EXCERPT . It includes the following contents: Contents Introduction: Looking for What Was Lost, ix Acknowledgments, xix Part 1: The Lost Pages 1. The Ark of the New Covenant, 3 2. The Sealed Book, 15 3. Translating the Nephite Record, 37 4. The Manuscript Theft, 57 5. The Long Blue Lost Manuscript, 83 Part 2: The Missing Stories 6. Reconstructing the Lost Manuscript, 107 7. A Passover Setting for Lehi’s Exodus, 121 8. Lehi’s Tabernacle in the Wilderness, 145 9. The Seven Tribes of Lehi, 157 10. Nephi’s Conquest, 169 11. Nephi’s Temple, 193 12. The Lost Middle Period, 209 13. God and Aminadi in the Temple, 221 14. The Mosian Reform, 241 15. The Book of Benjamin, 275 Conclusion: Insights from What Was Found, 285 Bibliography, 293 Scripture Index, 305 Subject Index, 311 6
Anijen Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 42 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: First cousin marriage was once quite common in the West (Western civilization). I do not mean to derail this theme, but just wanted to say marriage to your first cousin is still legal in many states (last I checked about, 13 years ago, 31 states). 1
Popular Post the narrator Posted November 25, 2019 Popular Post Posted November 25, 2019 On 11/23/2019 at 9:02 AM, Kenngo1969 said: Not that it matters a great deal, bit I do wonder (at least slightly), why Greg Kofford Books? Because we publish excellent work. 5
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