ttribe Posted October 27, 2019 Posted October 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said: Not a Church-themed costume, but you could get a wig with a yellow braid, practice contorting your lip into a sneer and practice a scolding voice, and you could go as Greta Thunberg. HOW DEH YOU! Do you really think it's appropriate for you, as a grown man, to be publicly mocking a 16-year-old girl like this? 2
Calm Posted October 27, 2019 Posted October 27, 2019 25 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Oh my, you and I might live close. I have a FB friend that posted this that lives not too far. Or maybe it's just one that has been passed around. It is being passed around. The FB page it is attached to is of Laie, Hawaii iirc. 1
nuclearfuels Posted October 27, 2019 Posted October 27, 2019 10 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said: Is Halloween a big draw with festive Trunk or Treats, or is it verboten because it's the "devil's night". I've experienced both. This Trunk or Treat idea is pretty fun. Anyone have any fun LDS themed costumes? Anyone dressing up as Sam Young or Kate Kelly? We do the Trunk or Treat gig. I take my kids to other wards' trunk or treats as well, without permission, cause I'm a rebel like that. 1
Peacefully Posted October 27, 2019 Posted October 27, 2019 When my kids were young, we would decorate the rooms in the church building and the kids would trick or treat at each room. There was also a haunted house in either the Relief Society room or Primary room. I think haunted houses in the church are verboten or at least frowned on now. I must admit, ours got a bit scarier every year so it’s probably for the best. In the last few years, I’ve only seen trunk or treats with games and bounce houses. 1
sunstoned Posted October 27, 2019 Posted October 27, 2019 our ward only does trunk or treat. My home ward (years ago when I was young) would put on a spook alley and a dance. It was fun.
strappinglad Posted October 27, 2019 Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, ttribe said: mocking a 16-year-old girl like this? To be fair, this young woman has been put on the public stage and is currently giving lectures in various countries. She cannot use her age or gender as a shield so as to be immune from criticism even though those who are funding her would dearly love to be able to deflect such . As for the OP, my area just buttons up and awaits a blizzard . Edited October 27, 2019 by strappinglad 3
ttribe Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, strappinglad said: To be fair, this young woman has been put on the public stage and is currently giving lectures in various countries. She cannot use her age or gender as a shield so as to be immune from criticism even though those who are funding her would dearly love to be able to deflect such . No, that's not fair in the least. I may not agree with her environmental position, but I know better than to MOCK A CHILD for my own entertainment. Moreover, nothing in Scott's post was criticizing her position on an issue; it was pure grade school playground bullying and one would think a grown man who is somewhere North of 60 years old would know better. Just because she is in the public eye, that does not justify ridiculing her personally. It's classless. End of story. 2
strappinglad Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 18 minutes ago, ttribe said: Just because she is in the public eye, that does not justify ridiculing her personally. It's classless. End of story. Classless? maybe. End of story? Nope. google Greta Thunberg memes and see how thick it already is. 2
ttribe Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, strappinglad said: Classless? maybe. End of story? Nope. google Greta Thunberg memes and see how thick it already is. You think I am unaware of what is going on out there? Please. I used "end of story" about the debate over Scott Lloyd's post on this board, not the Internet hordes.
Scott Lloyd Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) I recollect a Halloween Party at our ward for YWMIA and YMMIA, forerunners to the Young Men and Young Women organizations. Leaders really went to a great effort to make it fun, with a spook alley, bobbing for apples, games, bubbling cider in a "witch's cauldron" (made with dry ice), even a fortune-teller in a tent who impressed us because of what she knew about us and our families (the actress was one of the YW leaders). Seemed a lot more fun and creative than the trunk-or-treat shtick. Then again, I'm viewing the matter from many decades removed. Edited October 28, 2019 by Scott Lloyd 1
Calm Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Depends on how fancy you get and it allows each family to participate besides costumes. The first year we did it, we lined our trunk and then filled it with fog using dry ice. Kids had to plunge their hands into the vapor to grab the candy. Cute little spiders and ghosts and webbing hung from the door of the trunk. I have seen one that included a person lying in the trunk and grabbing the kids' hands. Edited October 28, 2019 by Calm 1
Popular Post Scott Lloyd Posted October 28, 2019 Popular Post Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, strappinglad said: Classless? maybe. End of story? Nope. google Greta Thunberg memes and see how thick it already is. I had him on "ignore." Thanks a lot for circumventing that. Guess I'll have to go in and block even mentions in the posts of others. But I'll say in passing that a person being promoted globally as an opinion leader should not get a pass on being shrill and impudent, notwithstanding age. Remember the Covington High School kids? They were widely defamed in both mass and social media before it became clear that they hadn't really done anything wrong. Edited October 28, 2019 by Scott Lloyd 5
Calm Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Scott Lloyd said: Remember the Covington High School kids? They were widely defamed in both mass and social media before it became clear that they really hadn't really done anything wrong. Which is probably better evidence for not doing it. 2
Scott Lloyd Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Calm said: Which is probably better evidence for not doing it. The two cases are not comparable. That is to say, the Covington kids were neither shrill nor impudent. Nor were they seeking to become public figures. My point was to contrast, rather than compare, the cases. The high school students were castigated for benign behavior that only got attention because they haplessly found themselves in the role of targets with the incident subsequently and misleadingly exposed on social media. They were treated despicably by powerful voices, the majority of whom have yet refused to offer meaningful apology and some of whom later doubled down. On the other hand, we have someone who is being lionized essentially for in-your-face rudeness and whose wild claims are generally remaining unscrutinized because of her age. It's all very political and manipulative. Edited October 28, 2019 by Scott Lloyd 2
Scott Lloyd Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Calm said: Depends on how fancy you get and it allows each family to participate besides costumes. The first year we did it, we lined our trunk and then filled it with fog using dry ice. Kids had to plunge their hands into the vapor to grab the candy. Cute little spiders and ghosts and webbing hung from the door of the trunk. I have seen one that included a person lying in the trunk and grabbing the kids' hands. I like the dry-ice-in-the-trunk idea.
Hamba Tuhan Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: Seemed a lot more fun and creative than the trunk-or-treat shtick. We had an American family in our ward some years back who convinced everyone that we should have a 'trunk-or-treat'. It seemed like it turned what can be a pretty interesting and creative holiday into little more than a lolly grab. We never did that again. 1
Calm Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Hamba Tuhan said: We had an American family in our ward some years back who convinced everyone that we should have a 'trunk-or-treat'. It seemed like it turned what can be a pretty interesting and creative holiday into little more than a lolly grab. We never did that again. You have to put a lot of effort into them if they aren’t just quicker versions of walking to the door and grabbing candy. But they can be fun and less overwhelming than decorating a house and dragging the kids around to each. I never enjoyed the Primary Halloween parties over the decades I was involved in because I was just assigned what to do and never asked for much input as a junior primary teacher. It was someone else’s creativity, not mine.
Amulek Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/26/2019 at 3:17 PM, rockpond said: We never do our ward party on 31-Oct, it's usually the Tuesday or Wednesday before Halloween as a replacement for youth and primary activities that day (this year that happens to be the 30th). Same here. Our ward is doing a combination dinner/trunk-or-treat/carnival activity this Wednesday - that way people can still participate in the community on Halloween night.
Amulek Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said: We had an American family in our ward some years back who convinced everyone that we should have a 'trunk-or-treat'. It seemed like it turned what can be a pretty interesting and creative holiday into little more than a lolly grab. I've got to be honest - that's one of my favorite things about trunk-or-treats: the blinding efficiency. From start to end, you're talking about 15 - 20 minutes tops, and the kids have all got a pretty good haul. No more walking around the entire neighborhood trying to divine which houses were participating (are there decorations? is the porch light on? etc.). No more ending the night with nothing but sucky treats. Kids these days have got it pretty good. 2
Tacenda Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Amulek said: I've got to be honest - that's one of my favorite things about trunk-or-treats: the blinding efficiency. From start to end, you're talking about 15 - 20 minutes tops, and the kids have all got a pretty good haul. No more walking around the entire neighborhood trying to divine which houses were participating (are there decorations? is the porch light on? etc.). No more ending the night with nothing but sucky treats. Kids these days have got it pretty good. Here in Utah it's going to be a cold night this Halloween. So that would be a draw to do these kinds of things right off, they can go into the church if they're cold, or it's doable because of the short time of length. I spoke with my MIL the other day and she was telling me that when her kids were young in Draper, Utah, there were several scary/awful pranks done to people, nothing like today, at least I haven't heard of this much. So the city had Halloween done at a community building somewhere in town, to get them off the streets, lol. So before the idea of Trunk or Treat but along the same lines. I think @Scott Lloyd mentioned growing up in Draper, sorry if I got the wrong person, if not, I wonder if he remembers this. Edited October 28, 2019 by Tacenda
MiserereNobis Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 In the very Catholic and hispanic town (well, village really) that I live in Halloween (All Hallows' Eve) is part of the celebration of All Saints' Day (11/1) and then All Souls Day (11/2) which is Day of the Dead. There is a lot of trick or treating, a celebration at the parish hall, and the preparation of the town plaza for Day of the Dead. It's a huge event -- altars everywhere on the plaza and in the evening the priest leads a procession from the church (which is on the plaza) out to the cemetery. It actually goes past my house. It's a beautiful tradition, even if you're not Catholic. When I hear people complain how American culture is being displaced by "foreigners," how Mexican flags are flown within the US, etc., I want to haul them down to my town and ask them if they really want these beautiful Mexican traditions to end in the name of "America." Yes, our town celebrates Cinco de Mayo and Dies y Seis de Septiembre and flies Mexican and American flags for both celebrations. On the town plaza is a gazebo that has the American and Mexican flags painted on it -- that's because the Venta de La Mesilla (Sale of La Mesilla, the name of the town, which is known in English as the Gadsden Purchase). Ok, enough of my rant I had just read another disparaging comment somewhere about Mexican flags in America and people speaking Spanish and it frustrates me because of the beautiful traditions and history of my town in New Mexico. We are very much in America (unless Trump's Colorado border wall becomes reality, ha) and also very much hold on to our traditions. 4
Calm Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 It occurs to me with us now having a van, for trunk and treat I would take out the seats and open up both side doors and set up a divider so they have to crawl through a corridor....lots of options for that...having a game of hit the spiders and bats (bean bags) and a thick curtain of cobwebs to struggle through for starters though fog would be difficult to get thick enough. Not in Primary any more though...maybe my son's kids might want to, have one grandkid still in it.
HappyJackWagon Posted October 28, 2019 Author Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/26/2019 at 5:56 PM, Scott Lloyd said: Not a Church-themed costume, but you could get a wig with a yellow braid, contort your lip into a sneer and practice a scolding voice, and you could go as Greta Thunberg. HOW DEH YOU! Thanks for making things political whilst simultaneously mocking a child. Well done 1
HappyJackWagon Posted October 28, 2019 Author Posted October 28, 2019 11 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: The two cases are not comparable. That is to say, the Covington kids were neither shrill nor impudent. Nor were they seeking to become public figures. My point was to contrast, rather than compare, the cases. The high school students were castigated for benign behavior that only got attention because they haplessly found themselves in the role of targets with the incident subsequently and misleadingly exposed on social media. They were treated despicably by powerful voices, the majority of whom have yet refused to offer meaningful apology and some of whom later doubled down. On the other hand, we have someone who is being lionized essentially for in-your-face rudeness and whose wild claims are generally remaining unscrutinized because of her age. It's all very political and manipulative. If they're not comparable, perhaps you should use greater wisdom before making the comparison. If you think it's legit to mock youth and children, you should take it somewhere else...off this thread. 1
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