The Nehor Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Anijen said: Would a monarchy fit into a political spectrum? A perfect king ruler, like a monarchy we've never seen before. Plato will be pleased.
The Nehor Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Rivers said: I would argue neither. He was a perfect moderate. No, if anything he is a radical who believes we need to kill everyone holding us back from a perfect society by burning the whole world and everyone he judges wicked and then seizing absolute power for Himself. Edited March 20, 2019 by The Nehor 2
The Nehor Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, CMZ said: He is a little of each while also being moderate in just the right ways, and people would do well to follow His example. Seriously, people really need to get over the idea that they have to pick a label of being either liberal or conservative. Nothing says you must pick such a label. But if I don't pick a side how will I know whether I should join Shiz or Coriantumr at the last battle? Answer me that smart guy! Edited March 20, 2019 by The Nehor 2
Gray Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, USU78 said: "My kingdom is not of this world." What political kingdom are you speaking of? The Kingdom of God. IE, the eschaton, where God rights all injustice in the world. A political kingdom where God finally enters history and brings justice to human affairs. Edited March 20, 2019 by Gray
Stargazer Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 10 hours ago, Maidservant said: Funny, I read this today, from Richard Rohr. "Precisely because Jesus was a “conservative,” in the true sense of the term, he conserved what was worth conserving and did not let accidentals get in the way, which are the very things false conservatives usually idolize. As a result, he looked quite “progressive,” radical, and even dangerous." Full article here I don't have 'liberal' and 'conservative' categories in my worldview, so. The words "liberal" and "conservative" don't seem to mean what they used to mean. Well, "liberal" doesn't, anyway. At least in terms of what used to be the defining attribute, namely "tolerance" of opposing viewpoints. 2
Stargazer Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 11 hours ago, ttribe said: I predict this thread won't last the day because some participants will start to argue their political viewpoints and the whole thing will come crashing down. I'm surprised it's lasted this long.
USU78 Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 8 hours ago, Gray said: The Kingdom of God. IE, the eschaton, where God rights all injustice in the world. A political kingdom where God finally enters history and brings justice to human affairs. Huh. Never figured you for a fundamentalist.
Gray Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 34 minutes ago, USU78 said: Huh. Never figured you for a fundamentalist. Not a fundamentalist. That's simply what Jesus believed and preached.
Maestrophil Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 I believe he was one of those rare types who honored truth - and truth often puts you on any given side of the political and social spectrum depending on the situation. 2
Bob Crockett Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, bluebell said: Did they? I thought that communism was atheistic, and also all about the overthrow of the state to the benefit of the proletariat? Communism is the collective ownership of property without title or claim. Marxism preaches atheism and control by the proletariat. Marxism and communism are not the same. Communism existed, as a term and idea, long before Marx. See Robert Owens (term), and to some extent Thomas More's Utopia (idea; communal living). Edited March 20, 2019 by Bob Crockett
ttribe Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, ttribe said: I predict this thread won't last the day because some participants will start to argue their political viewpoints and the whole thing will come crashing down. I was wrong. I tip my cap to the self-discipline! Edited March 20, 2019 by ttribe 2
mnn727 Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 It really depends on the point of view: For the Pharisee's and Sadducee's he was very liberal - in fact he was a radical who was out to completely change the power structure. To God he was a Conservative, trying to return Israel to their chosen people status -- kind of a MIGA (Make Israel Great Again) 1
Teancum Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) On 3/19/2019 at 12:45 PM, Rivers said: I would argue neither. He was a perfect moderate. Since he really bucked the status quo of his day I would say liberal. But for his day. Edited March 20, 2019 by Teancum
Rivers Posted March 20, 2019 Author Posted March 20, 2019 Politically Jesus wasn’t anything since His kingdom was not of this world. But if Jesus lived today I think culturally he would fall right into the middle and strongly oppose both the far right and the far left.
CV75 Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 23 hours ago, USU78 said: Except He didn't take any manna out of anybody else's pot to put in Jacob's children's pots. And He didn't just promise, relying on the compulsory contributions of anybody else to fulfill that promise, but rather delivered in full out of His own generosity. And He made free water into free wine, simply because it was asked of him; He ennobled a farthing joyously and voluntarily given making it worth more than a kingdom; He brought a surfeit of fish to no-luck fishermen, and not by emptying anybody else's nets; and He multiplied a couple of fish sandwiches to feed thousands, and not by raiding anybody else's lunchboxes. Doesn't look like the New Deal to me. So He was a veritable conservoliberomoderal. I meant "New Deal" to be a play on "New Testament"
USU78 Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, CV75 said: So He was a veritable conservoliberomoderal. I meant "New Deal" to be a play on "New Testament" I know. It was just a hook for my minirant. 😎
pogi Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Teancum said: Since he really bucked the status quo of his day I would say liberal. But for his day. This assumes that conservatives can't/don't buck the status quo. Just look at trump, he is definitely not status quo.
pogi Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 32 minutes ago, Rivers said: Politically Jesus wasn’t anything since His kingdom was not of this world. But if Jesus lived today I think culturally he would fall right into the middle and strongly oppose both the far right and the far left. I think it depends on the issue. In some ways his views would be seen as extreme left and others would be viewed as extreme right. I think what would bother him is the political antics of the far left and right but might agree with them on certain issues.
CV75 Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 38 minutes ago, USU78 said: I know. It was just a hook for my minirant. 😎 LOL I am really, really bad at politics! 1
strappinglad Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 20 hours ago, carbon dioxide said: A big Ford or Chevy truck is what he would be driving. Roll the coal baby. Christ was big on sheep so I think He would be driving a RAM.! 1
co-eternal Posted March 21, 2019 Posted March 21, 2019 Since the US Founding Fathers were inspired of God to frame our constitution, and the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution is the foudation of conservatism, I say he is conservative. 1
The Nehor Posted March 21, 2019 Posted March 21, 2019 9 hours ago, co-eternal said: Since the US Founding Fathers were inspired of God to frame our constitution, and the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution is the foudation of conservatism, I say he is conservative.
Bob Crockett Posted March 21, 2019 Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, co-eternal said: Since the US Founding Fathers were inspired of God to frame our constitution, and the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution is the foudation of conservatism, I say he is conservative. How do you get "conservative" out of all of this? Thomas Jefferson considered himself a radical progressive. I realize that modern-day conservatives love to carry around and trumpet the constitution, but that doesn't make the constitution the foundation of modern conservatism as conservatism applies to other countries as well. A conservative is a person who does not want change and wants to hold on to his guns and wealth to oppress and threaten the poor. A conservative opposes abortion because he or she thinks it is Biblical murder. A liberal is one who wants change to confiscate (i.e., legal stealing) wealth from the rich. A liberal favors abortion as a means to engage in genocide against the poor minorities. I don't know what Jesus Christ was, but Joseph Smith was a libertarian. Freedom of religion, economic freedom and other freedoms like that. Edited March 21, 2019 by Bob Crockett
co-eternal Posted March 21, 2019 Posted March 21, 2019 2 hours ago, The Nehor said: what a joke ... not talking about your post
co-eternal Posted March 21, 2019 Posted March 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Bob Crockett said: How do you get "conservative" out of all of this? Thomas Jefferson considered himself a radical progressive. I realize that modern-day conservatives love to carry around and trumpet the constitution, but that doesn't make the constitution the foundation of modern conservatism as conservatism applies to other countries as well. A conservative is a person who does not want change and wants to hold on to his guns and wealth to oppress and threaten the poor. A conservative opposes abortion because he or she thinks it is Biblical murder. A liberal is one who wants change to confiscate (i.e., legal stealing) wealth from the rich. A liberal favors abortion as a means to engage in genocide against the poor minorities. I don't know what Jesus Christ was, but Joseph Smith was a libertarian. Freedom of religion, economic freedom and other freedoms like that. The reason for the term “libritarian” is because modern conservatism is not true conservatism. Conservatism is about conserving individual and personal rights above all else. That is what the D of I is all about, and the constitution is how to implement a republic dedecated to conserving individual rights and liberty. A republic, because it is rule of law not rule of man, or rule of mob as in the case of democracy. That is how I get that. You might want to reas E. T. Benson’s “The proper role of government” if you have not yet gotten it.
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