rpn Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 My son was inspired by "The Room" http://therebelution.com/The_Room.pdf in seminary. I wonder whether people here think it is doctrinaly (sp?) accurate. Anyone care to opine?
Amulek Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 Looks like this is the story being referred to. It's the one where a guy enters a room filled with index cards outlining the details of his life - including all of his sins. Then Jesus enters and writes his name in blood over the guy's name on the cards. I thought it was a nice story when I first heard it back in my seminary days. As for doctrinal accuracy, well...I'm not sure if Jesus actually has any blood still, so there's that. 3
SeekingUnderstanding Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, Amulek said: As for doctrinal accuracy, well...I'm not sure if Jesus actually has any blood still, so there's that. Also I think they’ve upgraded to computers up there, so... 1
mfbukowski Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 2 hours ago, rpn said: My son was inspired by "The Room" http://therebelution.com/The_Room.pdf in seminary. I wonder whether people here think it is doctrinaly (sp?) accurate. Anyone care to opine? In concept I have no problem with it. Touching story. Is there something there you found bothersome? 1
cinepro Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 The link's bad, but is it this movie? You are tearing me apart Lisa! The acting seems about par for a seminary video. Don't know about the doctrine. 4
halconero Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 Metaphorically I don't see anything wrong with it. It's heavy on the penal substitution theory of the atonement, which is part of, but not all encompassing of Mormon Atonement theory. I personally enjoy Recapitulation Theory (with a Latter-day Saint twist), but that's a matter of preference, not doctrine. 2
mfbukowski Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, cinepro said: The link's bad, but is it this movie? You are tearing me apart Lisa! The acting seems about par for a seminary video. Don't know about the doctrine. From this, Wiseau delivers the same anguish for every scene, only the words change! "We're expecting!" "You're tearing me apart" "Talk to me" ! Same grimace, hands up, etc. 😎 Meh. One face for every line. Incidentally his accent is definitely Polish / Russian. He talks like all my relatives. No definite articles. Edited September 29, 2018 by mfbukowski 3
mfbukowski Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, halconero said: Metaphorically I don't see anything wrong with it. It's heavy on the penal substitution theory of the atonement, which is part of, but not all encompassing of Mormon Atonement theory. I personally enjoy Recapitulation Theory (with a Latter-day Saint twist), but that's a matter of preference, not doctrine. Agree totally, with a twist. Christ is the ideal Human which we all should desire to become. Trying to achieve this perfection as an ideal is what forgives us of our sins. This is through repentance raised to the nth degree. Trying to correct the evil which has taken up residence within you is what removes its effects. Yet of course we cannot fully achieve that on Earth. We are finally saved by grace after all that we can do to become like Christ. Romans 7&8 Edited September 29, 2018 by mfbukowski 2
alter idem Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 16 hours ago, cinepro said: The link's bad, but is it this movie? You are tearing me apart Lisa! The acting seems about par for a seminary video. Don't know about the doctrine. That's the movie called 'The Room' I'm familiar with. I was trying to figure out why they might show it in Seminary and truthfully, the acting/Story line is definitely on par with "Tom Trails" though I doubt many would remember that Seminary film strip "Oh, Hi Mark"....
alter idem Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 14 hours ago, mfbukowski said: From this, Wiseau delivers the same anguish for every scene, only the words change! "We're expecting!" "You're tearing me apart" "Talk to me" ! Same grimace, hands up, etc. 😎 Meh. One face for every line. Incidentally his accent is definitely Polish / Russian. He talks like all my relatives. No definite articles. My Daughter served her mission in Poland, she agrees with you. Is anyone else old enough to remember 'Tom Trails' from Seminary? I think it was made in the 60's or early 70's. Then there was "Like unto Us"--mid 70's. These seminary filmstrips were very 'soapy' . 1
rongo Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 5 minutes ago, alter idem said: My Daughter served her mission in Poland, she agrees with you. When was she there? My parents were there from 2015-1017. Is anyone else old enough to remember 'Tom Trails' from Seminary? I think it was made in the 60's or early 70's. Then there was "Like unto Us"--mid 70's. These seminary filmstrips were very 'soapy' . We used to watch old filmstrips when we could find them in the church libraries in Germany (mid 1990s). Tom Trails was among these. Our all-time favorite was "It all started with Thad" (member missionary work). I wish those were available somehow. There was a definite dark theme lurking under the surface: keep the commandments and your covenants, or terrible things will happen and you will feel very bad. 1
rpn Posted September 29, 2018 Author Posted September 29, 2018 (edited) https://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/the-room-by-joshua-harris/ Sorry about the link. Are lustful thoughts sinful? Or are they natural man that must be overcome? Seriously, shame for not sharing the gospel? Does the Savior just come in and wipe out the sin because someone is sorry? Doesn't that come only after repentance: not just the sorrow, but also the confession, restitution, and change of heart? How is the atonement effective in each moment, and does the ultimate wait until Judgment? Those are just some of the concerns I had. Edited September 29, 2018 by rpn
RevTestament Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 20 hours ago, rpn said: My son was inspired by "The Room" http://therebelution.com/The_Room.pdf in seminary. I wonder whether people here think it is doctrinaly (sp?) accurate. Anyone care to opine? Inspiring teens. They are awesome. They make me feel I accomplished nothing as a teen. Actually, I think they are making a much needed contribution to our society just by pointing out what teens are capable of and inspiring them - much needed not only in the intermountain west, but everywhere. Many of our greatest geniuses did/do some of their most important work as teenagers or young adults in their twenties. The mind is young, vibrant, curious and explorative in our young years, and is often at its greatest productivity at that time. Wiling away that time on video games and social media seems to be the new American pastime. A rebelution is definitely a good idea. More power to them!
mfbukowski Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, rongo said: When was she there? My parents were there from 2015-1017. We used to watch old filmstrips when we could find them in the church libraries in Germany (mid 1990s). Tom Trails was among these. Our all-time favorite was "It all started with Thad" (member missionary work). I wish those were available somehow. There was a definite dark theme lurking under the surface: keep the commandments and your covenants, or terrible things will happen and you will feel very bad. If your folks were in Krakow in 2015, I probably met them. Sacrament meeting was held in a small but modern office building upstairs, and a suite of office sized rooms which were used for classrooms. I am of course polish, but I found Poland quite different than I thought it might be. It's a modern very independent and intellectual country, which is as flat as Kansas between the two powerhouses of Russia and Germany. Periodically the tanks roll in from the East then they recede and the tanks roll in from the West, while the Poles discuss the consequences, well pretty much maintaining their usual thought patterns and way of life. They are still strongly Catholic and that becomes part of their national identity. It's kind of a fascinating mindset for Americans to try to understand. The first line of their national anthem translated is: "Poland is not yet lost..." And this seems to reflect the tone for the whole culture. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland_Is_Not_Yet_Lost So as one might expect with that kind of attitude these folks are very stubborn, independent and determined and resistant to change from any outside source. Everyone tries to change them no one succeeds. Not an easy place for missionary I am sure. Edited September 29, 2018 by mfbukowski 3
cinepro Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 20 hours ago, mfbukowski said: From this, Wiseau delivers the same anguish for every scene, only the words change! "We're expecting!" "You're tearing me apart" "Talk to me" ! Same grimace, hands up, etc. 😎 Meh. One face for every line. Incidentally his accent is definitely Polish / Russian. He talks like all my relatives. No definite articles. I don't know if you know the story, but James Franco made a movie about the making of that movie, and he plays Wiseau. It is very, very funny. 1
mfbukowski Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 1 hour ago, cinepro said: I don't know if you know the story, but James Franco made a movie about the making of that movie, and he plays Wiseau. It is very, very funny. It's odd because I hang out with a fair number of film people but I really am not into film that much. But I will definitely check out that Franco film. I think that trailer was quite enough Wiseau for a while at least. He has a very interesting face but I wouldn't be surprised if he is like 60 years old or even more!
The Nehor Posted September 30, 2018 Posted September 30, 2018 On 9/28/2018 at 6:29 PM, cinepro said: The link's bad, but is it this movie? You are tearing me apart Lisa! The acting seems about par for a seminary video. Don't know about the doctrine. This is what I wanted to ask. I do not think Tommy Wiseau’s masterpiece is compatible with the gospel or how people act or reality itself. 1
The Nehor Posted September 30, 2018 Posted September 30, 2018 9 hours ago, Rivers said: I did not hit her. I did NOT!!!!!! Oh, hi Mark. 2
halconero Posted September 30, 2018 Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) On 9/28/2018 at 7:43 PM, mfbukowski said: Agree totally, with a twist. Christ is the ideal Human which we all should desire to become. Trying to achieve this perfection as an ideal is what forgives us of our sins. This is through repentance raised to the nth degree. Trying to correct the evil which has taken up residence within you is what removes its effects. Yet of course we cannot fully achieve that on Earth. We are finally saved by grace after all that we can do to become like Christ. Romans 7&8 No disagreement there. My twist is that Christ sums up the the Fall, succeeding in fulfilling Adam's purpose as the second Adam, rather than succeeding where Adam failed. "Through man’s disobedience the process of the evolution of the human race went wrong began, and the its course of its wrongness could not neither be halted nor reversed fulfilled by any human means. But in Jesus Christ the whole course of human evolution was perfectly carried out and realised in obedience to the purpose of God." - William Barclay Edited September 30, 2018 by halconero 1
MiserereNobis Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 10 hours ago, halconero said: No disagreement there. My twist is that Christ sums up the the Fall, succeeding in fulfilling Adam's purpose as the second Adam, rather than succeeding where Adam failed. That is quite similar to the Catholic position. We also add that Mary is the second Eve. 1
alter idem Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 On 9/29/2018 at 9:56 AM, rongo said: When was she there? My parents were there from 2015-1017. We used to watch old filmstrips when we could find them in the church libraries in Germany (mid 1990s). Tom Trails was among these. Our all-time favorite was "It all started with Thad" (member missionary work). I wish those were available somehow. There was a definite dark theme lurking under the surface: keep the commandments and your covenants, or terrible things will happen and you will feel very bad. She served till October 2015, she may have known them if they overlapped ; she was in Wroclaw and Katowice during her last year; there were only about 70 missionaries in the whole mission. I hope your parents enjoyed their mission as much as my daughter did, it was a hard mission but she loved it still. Yes, I agree, there was a dark theme--it was back in the days when some used fear to try to get youth to not stray. 1
rongo Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 5 hours ago, alter idem said: She served till October 2015, she may have known them if they overlapped ; she was in Wroclaw and Katowice during her last year; there were only about 70 missionaries in the whole mission. I hope your parents enjoyed their mission as much as my daughter did, it was a hard mission but she loved it still. PM me her name, and I'll ask them (they're in the Czech Republic now). My mom was the mission secretary, and my dad was over the finances and in the Warsaw branch presidency. I'm sure they'll remember her! Wroclaw = Breslau in German. A *lot* of strong LDS members came from there, but most migrated to Germany or the U.S. after the war. I think there was a concentration camp at Katowice (my parents are the Poland experts). My parents loved it, too. Germany (where my dad served when he was young, and where I served) was hard, too, but we loved it. Hard actually = great! Good memories, and adventures.
Tacenda Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 I always enjoyed this talk when given in Sacrament meetings.
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