Troubling Development Re: Immigration from Mexico

[smac97]

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‘IT’S A HUMAN RIGHT’: MEXICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE ON MASS EXODUS TO AMERICA
5:45 PM 06/22/2018
Dominic Mancini | Reporter

Mexican presidential candidate Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) called for mass immigration to the United States during a speech Tuesday declaring it a “human right” for all North Americans.

“And soon, very soon — after the victory of our movement — we will defend all the migrants in the American continent and all the migrants in the world,” Obrador said, adding that immigrants “must leave their towns and find a life in the United States.”

He then declared it as “a human right we will defend,” eluniversal.com reports.

While the election is not until July 1, Obrador is by far the frontrunner.

I have been trying to sort out how I feel about illegal immigration.  I have respected the LDS Church's statements and guidance about this.  We need to remember these are our brothers and sisters.  They are human beings.

But we also need to preserve our sovereignty and cohesion as a nation.  

And we also need to be concerned about the safety of unregulated cross-border migration, both because of sovereignty issues and also given the horrific accounts we keep hearing about it.

Now we have the likely next president of Mexico openly encouraging his own citizens to leave their country and "find a life in the United States."

This will not end well.

Any thoughts from a moral/religious perspective on how to respond to things like the news item above?

Thanks,

-Smac

[Duncan]

My question is why would anyone want to live in the US anyways? The chocolate tastes like wax, the Coke is rather disappointing😝and who knows what is going on with Jack in the Box🤢

Edited June 23, 2018 by Duncan

[jkwilliams]

5 minutes ago, smac97 said:

This:

I have been trying to sort out how I feel about illegal immigration.  I have respected the LDS Church's statements and guidance about this.  We need to remember these are our brothers and sisters.  They are human beings.

But we also need to preserve our sovereignty and cohesion as a nation.  

And we also need to be concerned about the safety of unregulated cross-border migration, both because of sovereignty issues and also given the horrific accounts we keep hearing about it.

Now we have the likely next president of Mexico openly encouraging his own citizens to leave their country and "find a life in the United States."

This will not end well.

Any thoughts from a moral/religious perspective on how to respond to things like the news item above?

Thanks,

-Smac

I just read the article in El Universal. Talk about misrepresentation. Lopez did not say that. He said that he would defend immigrants against racism and injustice. And he never said immigrants must leave their towns. He said he would defend the rights of people who are forced (por necesidad) to leave their towns and find a life in the US. 

I’m not familiar with the Daily Caller, but I am not impressed with this blatantly dishonest reporting. 

[Anijen]

I wish there was a way to let all those in, those who need work and a better quality of life in, but with a solution to keeping criminals and terrorists out. I have no clue what a good solution could be.

I would also like to see those who come in adopt American values without coming and and trying to change laws to those resembling the laws of a country they are fleeing from. What I mean is, I would like to see those try and voluntarily assimilate some American values and less of trying to bring in Sharia law which is not compatible with the Constitution.

[hope_for_things]

21 minutes ago, smac97 said:

This:

I have been trying to sort out how I feel about illegal immigration.  I have respected the LDS Church's statements and guidance about this.  We need to remember these are our brothers and sisters.  They are human beings.

But we also need to preserve our sovereignty and cohesion as a nation.  

And we also need to be concerned about the safety of unregulated cross-border migration, both because of sovereignty issues and also given the horrific accounts we keep hearing about it.

Now we have the likely next president of Mexico openly encouraging his own citizens to leave their country and "find a life in the United States."

This will not end well.

Any thoughts from a moral/religious perspective on how to respond to things like the news item above?

Thanks,

-Smac

This was an interesting podcast on this topic of the history of our immigration policies recently.  Worth a listen. 

http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/25-general-chapman's-last-stand

 

[jkwilliams]

I think this post should have a disclaimer that it is based on a lie. 

[ttribe]

41 minutes ago, Duncan said:

My question is why would anyone want to live in the US anyways? The chocolate tastes like Wax, the Coke is rather disappointing😝and who knows what is going on with Jack in the Box🤢

INVADE CANADA!

[Avatar4321]

Any transcripts? I’d like to read it myself. I can read it in spanish

[jkwilliams]

Just now, Avatar4321 said:

Any transcripts? I’d like to read it myself. I can read it in spanish

There’s a link in the Daily Caller article. I hate crap like this. It gets in the way of honest debate. 

[Avatar4321]

Side issue.

since Joseph smith said that all of north and South America are Zion isn’t this where we will end up at some point anyway?

[Avatar4321]

10 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

There’s a link in the Daily Caller article. I hate crap like this. It gets in the way of honest debate. 

I agree but then It could be a mistranslation issue and not intentional 

Edited June 22, 2018 by Avatar4321

[jkwilliams]

I tried to copy the text, but El Universal says I have to pay for it. I’d transcribe it, but I have a grandson to meet. 

[jkwilliams]

Just now, Avatar4321 said:

I agree but then It could be a mistranslation issue and not intentional 

I don’t believe it’s unintentional. There’s no way to get the imperative “must” from what was written. It’s intended to get the reaction it got from smac97. I don’t think Spencer speaks Spanish, so I don’t believe he is to blame. 

[Scott Lloyd]

1 hour ago, smac97 said:

This:

I have been trying to sort out how I feel about illegal immigration.  I have respected the LDS Church's statements and guidance about this.  We need to remember these are our brothers and sisters.  They are human beings.

But we also need to preserve our sovereignty and cohesion as a nation.  

And we also need to be concerned about the safety of unregulated cross-border migration, both because of sovereignty issues and also given the horrific accounts we keep hearing about it.

Now we have the likely next president of Mexico openly encouraging his own citizens to leave their country and "find a life in the United States."

This will not end well.

Any thoughts from a moral/religious perspective on how to respond to things like the news item above?

Thanks,

-Smac

The Church's statement recognizes the right of sovereign nations to secure their borders. It only calls for children not to be separated from their parents and for the nation's leaders to find ways to avoid that.

So far, the Trump Administration seems to be moving toward that goal. Congress, not so much.

Ergo, nothing the Church has said binds me as a faithful and believing member to refrain from opposing illegal immigration or what this guy is calling for. It does not bind me to favoring open borders, which is what the Democrats seem to want.

If they see the need to immigrate, I want my brothers and sisters to observe the legal means to do so.

 

 

 

Edited June 22, 2018 by Scott Lloyd

[Scott Lloyd]

37 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

I don’t believe it’s unintentional. There’s no way to get the imperative “must” from what was written. It’s intended to get the reaction it got from smac97. I don’t think Spencer speaks Spanish, so I don’t believe he is to blame. 

Anything to this?

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Fox’s Tucker Carlson noted Thursday that Obrador has previously proposed granting amnesty to Mexican drug cartels. “America is now Mexico’s social safety net, and that’s a very good deal for the Mexican ruling class,” Carlson added.

Does he really favor amnesty for drug cartels?

I noticed that Nancy Polosi and other Democratic leaders and biased news media were all-too-quick to rise to the defense of the brutal and vicious MS 13 gang when Trump spoke of deporting its members.

 

Edited June 22, 2018 by Scott Lloyd

[provoman]

We are taught to render unto Ceaser. We are also tauught that when we follow the laws of the land. We are also taught to do to all things in wisdom and order. We are also taught to feed the hunger, clothr the naked, and provide shelter for the homeless.....

A follower of Chirst can abide all those precepts while at the same time support lawfull immigration.

Edited June 22, 2018 by provoman

[Scott Lloyd]

1 hour ago, jkwilliams said:

I just read the article in El Universal. Talk about misrepresentation. Lopez did not say that. He said that he would defend immigrants against racism and injustice. And he never said immigrants must leave their towns. He said he would defend the rights of people who are forced (por necesidad) to leave their towns and find a life in the US. 

I’m not familiar with the Daily Caller, but I am not impressed with this blatantly dishonest reporting. 

Specifically what racism and injustice does he see going on that these people need defending from? Is this code speak for defending their "right" to enter the United States illegally?

 

[Duncan]

1 hour ago, ttribe said:

INVADE CANADA!

Um, I live here, Hellooooo!

Edited June 22, 2018 by Duncan

[provoman]

1 hour ago, jkwilliams said:

I just read the article in El Universal. Talk about misrepresentation. Lopez did not say that. He said that he would defend immigrants against racism and injustice. And he never said immigrants must leave their towns. He said he would defend the rights of people who are forced (por necesidad) to leave their towns and find a life in the US. 

I’m not familiar with the Daily Caller, but I am not impressed with this blatantly dishonest reporting. 

Thanks for the clarification.

 

 

I would say the AMOL is not anywhere near moral high ground on the issue. Someone por necesidad from their home is someone whose Leaders have failed. So if AMOL is in office or was the President of Country, and people are por necesidad from their homes, AMOL has neglected his duties.

[jkwilliams]

56 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Specifically what racism and injustice does he see going on that these people need defending from? Is this code speak for defending their "right" to enter the United States illegally?

 

The article says he was specifically referring to the separation of children. The Daily Caller article is blatantly dishonest. 

[Garden Girl]

1 hour ago, ttribe said:

INVADE CANADA!

Yes!  We could pull a Mexico and provide the pathway north right into Canada via caravans. etc.  Hwy 5 is made to order for that... We'll see how long Canada would put up with that... and,  just try entering Mexico illegally.  Mexico has really strict laws against illegal entry but somehow feel free to demand that we take in thousands of illegals without any consequences...  I can't go further as it would be too political and jeopardize a thread shut-down.  I can't get over the fact that these people somehow believe they are entitled to pour over our borders (50,000 people each month for the past few months).   I'm fully supportive of legal immigration... and believe we do need to improve our process so it doesn't take as long, etc.

GG 

[Calm]

“these people somehow believe they are entitled to pour over our borders”

I suspect many of them don’t feel entitled to anything, but just feel desperate.

[strappinglad]

Blatant dishonesty is not unusual in the media. We have the latest Time magazine cover and related photos and videos of the crying child. You would think that with 2000 children who were actually separated from the adults they came with, there could have been at least one legitimate photo of one of them, but no. We got a pic of a child who wasn't separated from the mother, who  ...well, I leave it alone from there.

[Garden Girl]

3 minutes ago, Calm said:

“these people somehow believe they are entitled to pour over our borders”

I suspect many of them don’t feel entitled to anything, but just feel desperate.

I can't discuss this with you Calm because I don't want to be at odds with you in the slightest... and, as a former So Californian I've seen through the years how deep and hot this issue is... my hope and prayer is that resolution to the issues can be soon with compassion and compromise from both sides.   

GG

[Scott Lloyd]

47 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

The article says he was specifically referring to the separation of children. The Daily Caller article is blatantly dishonest. 

What does he propose to do about it (the separation of the children, I mean)?