Alcohol causes cancer

[Calm]

Now I am one who sees the WoW as more to set us apart and not just acutting edge or commonsense or inbetween health standard, but I still find these types of articles interesting:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/866727

"There is "strong evidence" that alcohol causes seven cancers, and other evidence indicates that it "probably" causes more, according to a new literature review published online July 21 inAddiction.

Epidemiologic evidence supports a causal association of alcohol consumption and cancers of the oropharynx, larynx, esophagus, liver, colon, rectum, and female breast, says Jennie Connor, MB, ChB, MPH, from the Department of Preventive and Social Medicine, University of Otago, in Dunegin, New Zealand.

In short, alcohol causes cancer.

This is not news, says Dr Connor. The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) and other agencies have long identified alcohol consumption as being causally associated with these seven cancers.

So why did Dr Connor, who is an epidemiologist and physician, write a new review? Because she wants to "clarify the strength of the evidence" in an "accessible way."

There is "confusion" about the statement, "Alcohol causes cancer," explains Dr Connor.

Public and scientific discussion about alcohol and cancer has muted the truth about causality, she suggests.

"In the public and the media, statements made by the world's experts are often given the same weight as messages from alcohol companies and their scientists. Overall messages become unclear. For these reasons, the journal [Addiction] has tagged this piece [her review] as 'For Debate,' " she told Medscape Medical News.

The use of causal language in scientific and public discussions is "patchy," she writes.

For example, articles and newspaper stories often use expressions such as "alcohol-related cancer" and "alcohol-attributable cancer"; they refer to a "link" between alcohol and cancer and to the effect of alcohol on "the risk of cancer."

These wordings "incorporate an implicit causal association, but are easily interpreted as something less than cancer being caused by drinking," observes Dr Connor.

"Stop drinking alcohol" is a catch phrase that could be ― but is not ― akin to "stop smoking," she also suggests.

"Currently, alcohol's causal role is perceived to be more complex than tobacco's, and the solution suggested by the smoking analogy — that we should all reduce and eventually give up drinking alcohol — is widely unacceptable," writes Dr Connor.

The newly published review "reinforces the need for the public to be made aware of the causal link between alcohol and cancer," said Colin Shevills, from the Alcohol Health Alliance UK, in a press statement.

"Research shows that only around 1 in 10 people [in the UK] are currently aware of the alcohol-cancer link," he said. Continue Reading..."

[Robert F. Smith]

This goes together with WofW being buttressed by the long-known causal link of smoking and a wide variety of cancers (not just lung cancer), but also with red meat (beef, pork, lamb) being carcinogenic.  Hence, the need to restrict one's intake of meats, except "in times of winter, or of cold, or famine" (D&C 89:12-13).

The World Health Organisation has classified processed meats – including ham, salami, sausages and hot dogs – as a class 1 carcinogen which means that there is strong evidence that processed meats cause cancer. Red meat, such as beef, lamb and pork has been classified as a 'probable' cause of cancer. http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/10/26/451950828/processed-and-red-meat-could-cause-cancer-your-questions-answered , and http://www.cancercouncil.com.au/21639/cancer-information/cancer-risk-and-prevention/healthy-weight-diet-and-exercise/meat-and-cancer/ .

[thesometimesaint]

Just don't eat the food, drink the water, breathe the air, and you'll be perfectly healthy.

[carbon dioxide]

48 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

This goes together with WofW being buttressed by the long-known causal link of smoking and a wide variety of cancers (not just lung cancer), but also with red meat (beef, pork, lamb) being carcinogenic.  Hence, the need to restrict one's intake of meats, except "in times of winter, or of cold, or famine" (D&C 89:12-13).

The World Health Organisation has classified processed meats – including ham, salami, sausages and hot dogs – as a class 1 carcinogen which means that there is strong evidence that processed meats cause cancer. Red meat, such as beef, lamb and pork has been classified as a 'probable' cause of cancer. http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/10/26/451950828/processed-and-red-meat-could-cause-cancer-your-questions-answered , and http://www.cancercouncil.com.au/21639/cancer-information/cancer-risk-and-prevention/healthy-weight-diet-and-exercise/meat-and-cancer/ .

I agree we eat too much meat but so many things cause cancer these days.  We have so many chemicals in the water supply that perhaps that is causing cancer as well.  Food is one of the great pleasures in life and for me, I like steak or ribs and to just eat those in winter would make my summer depressing.  Perhaps eat less red meat and more chicken and turkey.

[Robert F. Smith]

1 hour ago, carbon dioxide said:

I agree we eat too much meat but so many things cause cancer these days.  We have so many chemicals in the water supply that perhaps that is causing cancer as well.  Food is one of the great pleasures in life and for me, I like steak or ribs and to just eat those in winter would make my summer depressing.  Perhaps eat less red meat and more chicken and turkey.

These are all statistical questions:  What is most likely to cause cancer?  What is least likely?  So, yes, I now eat chicken, turkey, fish, and the like, instead of all the red meats I used to eat.  Processed foods are a problem across the board, and it isn't only cancer which can be a threat.  There is also obesity and diabetes.  High blood pressure.  Just cutting down on sugar and salt can do wonders for the body.  Being too sedentary is also a threat.  It  never ends.

[Jeanne]

Everything causes cancer...milk was on the list once?????!!

[Robert F. Smith]

4 hours ago, thesometimesaint said:

Just don't eat the food, drink the water, breathe the air, and you'll be perfectly healthy.

 

1 hour ago, Jeanne said:

Everything causes cancer...milk was on the list once?????!!

Actually, most things do not cause cancer.  We know what the primary causal factors are, and it is relatively easy to avoid those sources (nicotine & tars, carcinogenic foods, booze, UV radiation, atomic fallout, and the like), thus reducing the likelihood of our getting cancer.  Not just slightly, but by a great deal.

[strappinglad]

IIRC the cancer from milk thing only arose for cows that were eating grasses that were exposed to radiation/fallout. Not normally a problem

 May I suggest indulging in large quantities of MJ. You may still get cancer but you will be so mellow that you won't stress over it.

[The Nehor]

I feel like cancer is a ninja assassin sitting there silently judging my lifestyle choices and will one day leap out and behead me when he is sufficiently enraged.

[Robert F. Smith]

3 hours ago, strappinglad said:

IIRC the cancer from milk thing only arose for cows that were eating grasses that were exposed to radiation/fallout. Not normally a problem

 May I suggest indulging in large quantities of MJ. You may still get cancer but you will be so mellow that you won't stress over it.

What has Mary Jane got to do with anything?  

[thesometimesaint]

10 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

 

Actually, most things do not cause cancer.  We know what the primary causal factors are, and it is relatively easy to avoid those sources (nicotine & tars, carcinogenic foods, booze, UV radiation, atomic fallout, and the like), thus reducing the likelihood of our getting cancer.  Not just slightly, but by a great deal.

Air pollution causes cancer.

SEE http://www.cancer.org/cancer/news/world-health-organization-outdoor-air-pollution-causes-cancer

Water pollution causes cancer.

SEE http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1518976/

Cancer causing foods

SEE http://mamavation.com/2015/01/10-cancer-causing-foods-in-your-diet.html

[Tacenda]

It looks like a lot of this was deemed unhealthy before Joseph Smith came up with the WoW.

http://mormonhistoricsites.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Different-and-Unique-The-Word-of-Wisdom-in-the-Historical-Cultural-and-Social-Setting-of-the-1830s.pdf

[Hamba Tuhan]

4 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

... before Joseph Smith came up with the WoW.

The Lord 'came up with' the Word of Wisdom.

[Calm]

8 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

It looks like a lot of this was deemed unhealthy before Joseph Smith came up with the WoW.

http://mormonhistoricsites.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Different-and-Unique-The-Word-of-Wisdom-in-the-Historical-Cultural-and-Social-Setting-of-the-1830s.pdf

Did you read my first sentence in the OP?

[Tacenda]

Calm, must have skipped over that.

[Tacenda]

1 hour ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

The Lord 'came up with' the Word of Wisdom.

Sorry, that came out bad.

[stemelbow]

I get angry about this.  How are all these people around me getting cancer and hating it and yet I somehow, at least to date, have kept free ot it?  I don't care if I can reduce my chances of getting it somehow, because it still feels like I get it each time someone else around me gets it.  How come some people can eat red me, smoke, drink and be merry and never get it?  It feels like we all just rolled the dice before we came and our destiny was determined. 

[thesometimesaint]

It isn't a direct cause and effect relationship. It is a statistical relationship. IE; Those that smoke tobacco are about 6 times more likely to get certain diseases than the people who don't.

Edited August 1, 2016 by thesometimesaint

[Jeanne]

12 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

The Lord 'came up with' the Word of Wisdom.

Emma actually started the whole conversation..spittoons!

[Tacenda]

Where does it even mention alcohol in the WoW?

[Calm]

"strong drink"...look up that in dictionary or how it is used in the Bible if you need more info.

[Tacenda]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

"strong drink"...look up that in dictionary or how it is used in the Bible if you need more info.

That's right, I listened to a dumb podcast where they said alcohol wasn't mentioned in the WoW. I should have read the D&C again, forgot about the mention of strong drink. That's what I get with jumping to conclusions.

[strappinglad]

Every time I see the tobacco ads from the 1950s that show a ' doctor ' extoling the virtues of cigarettes ,I recall the introduction statements of the WOW about the designs of wicked men. Even today the tobacco companies flog cigarettes in many countries without any hint of the dangers involved. Alcohol may have personal health issues , but just as bad are the results of driving under the influence and domestic violence and family destruction from alcoholism etc. Binge drinking on college campuses is serious also. If only folks could be relied on to act responsibly and moderately , but a significant portion will not.

[Ahab]

The type of alcohol referred to a a 'mild drink' is still okay, though.  The 'strong drink' alcohol is the stuff to avoid.

 

[Tacenda]

30 minutes ago, Ahab said:

The type of alcohol referred to a a 'mild drink' is still okay, though.  The 'strong drink' alcohol is the stuff to avoid.

 

What would mild drink be? Beer? Some would like to think so.