JLHPROF Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) D&C 128: 21 And again, the voice of God in the chamber of old Father Whitmer, in Fayette, Seneca county, and at sundry times, and in divers places through all the travels and tribulations of this Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints! And the voice of Michael, the archangel; the voice of Gabriel, and of Raphael, and of divers angels, from Michael or Adam down to the present time, all declaring their dispensation, their rights, their keys, their honors, their majesty and glory, and the power of their priesthood; giving line upon line, precept upon precept; here a little, and there a little; giving us consolation by holding forth that which is to come, confirming our hope! We know Michael is Adam and Gabriel is Noah, both heads of dispensations. D&C 128 refers to Raphael as a dispensation head - this leaves (according to the standard 7 dispensation heads) Enoch, Moses, Abraham, Peter (possibly), and Joseph Smith. I know this hasn't been revealed like the other two, but any thoughts? Edited May 31, 2016 by JLHPROF
smac97 Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) Comments from Elder McConkie: Quote Who Raphael was we do not know, but we do know that someone came from all the dispensations having distinctive keys and powers. No one else is named as having come from the dispensation of Enoch, and we suppose Raphael is either Enoch or someone else from that dispensation. From the 1973 New Era: Quote A number of individuals appeared to Joseph Smith in order to help prepare him for his mission. He received visitations from the Father and the Son; Moroni; John the Baptist; Peter, James, and John; Moses; Elias (Noah); Raphael (it is not clear who this is)... From The Guide to the Scriptures: Quote An angel of the Lord who participated in the restoration of all things (D&C 128:21). Thanks, -Smac Edited May 31, 2016 by smac97 2
JAHS Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) The Prophet Joseph Smith did not record any other information about Him, however, it is clear that the angel Rafael had a mortal existence and held keys of priesthood power during his earthly ministry. According the the D&C 128 scripture, Raphael appeared to the Prophet Joseph Smith in modern times and conferred the keys of his dispensation. He was thus a principal participant in the restoration of all things. Some have speculated that since the dispensation associated with the prophet Enoch is not mentioned in the Bible, it is possible that Rafael was the prophet Enoch or another prophet of the time of Enoch. Revelation 15 talks about seven angels bringing forth seven plagues (Rev 15:1). Two of these angels, Michael and Gabriel, are found in the Bible and in latter-day revelation. (Jude 9; Luke 1: 19; D.& C. 128:21.) The Apocrypha names all seven angels as Uriel, Raphael, Raguel, Michael, Saraqael, Gabriel, and Remiel (1 Enoch 20:1-8). The apocryphal book of Tobit also mentions Rafael: "I am Raphael, one of the seven holy angels, . . .which go in and out before the glory of the Holy One" (Tobit 12:15). Edited May 31, 2016 by JAHS 3
JLHPROF Posted May 31, 2016 Author Posted May 31, 2016 9 minutes ago, smac97 said: Comments from Elder McConkie: No one else is named as having come from the dispensation of Enoch, and we suppose Raphael is either Enoch or someone else from that dispensation. Sound logic, since we have record of keys being given to Joseph Smith from the leaders of the dispensations of Abraham, Noah, Moses, Peter/Christ. I would suppose that only the first dispensation isn't represented, although Adam/Michael is named in the same verse. But to be fair, this verse doesn't refer to restoration of keys, but to approval. And since Adam and Noah are represented it could still be Enoch, Abraham, Moses, or someone from the time of Christ. Noah is mentioned and he came back to Kirtland after that event.
CV75 Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, JLHPROF said: We know Michael is Adam and Gabriel is Noah, both heads of dispensations. D&C 128 refers to Raphael as a dispensation head - this leaves (according to the standard 7 dispensation heads) Enoch, Moses, Abraham, Peter (possibly), and Joseph Smith. I know this hasn't been revealed like the other two, but any thoughts? Not really... But in Hebrew the name means "God has healed" and this is what Elisha notably did in 2 Kings 2 (he healed the waters of Jericho). P.S. while Elisha practiced under the dispensation of Elijah, there is an interesting relationship between the ministries of the two men: Elijah produced faith by raising a son from the dead (1 Kings 17), and Elisha rewarded faith by raising a son from the dead (2 Kings 4). They represented principles much like the Law of Moses which produced faith as a schoolmaster, and the Gospel of Christ which rewards faith as a master. Edited May 31, 2016 by CV75 1
James Tunney Posted June 1, 2016 Posted June 1, 2016 Pope John Paul II? Martin Luther King, Jr.? Does it really matter?
JLHPROF Posted June 1, 2016 Author Posted June 1, 2016 1 hour ago, James Tunney said: Pope John Paul II? Martin Luther King, Jr.? Does it really matter? No. That's why speculating is fun. Because whatever we speculate, it changes nothing so we can do it without any problems.
Doctrine 612 Posted June 16, 2016 Posted June 16, 2016 Tradition has that he was the Angel that came down to stir the waters, also the church had a practice before 1920 that you could go to the temple for the washing of healing 1
The Nehor Posted June 16, 2016 Posted June 16, 2016 He died a few seasons back shortly after Gabriel got knifed by Lucifer. Try to keep up. 3
JLHPROF Posted June 17, 2016 Author Posted June 17, 2016 3 hours ago, Rivers said: I think Raphael is Melchezidic. Nope - that would be Shem. Now Abel is another possibility. Or Seth.
VideoGameJunkie Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 Isn't Noah the angel Gabriel? Just checking.
JLHPROF Posted June 17, 2016 Author Posted June 17, 2016 10 hours ago, VideoGameJunkie said: Isn't Noah the angel Gabriel? Just checking. Yes. Noah = Gabriel (and Elias in D&C 110:12 - see D&C 27:6-7) Adam = Michael Shem = Melchizedek
longview Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 On 5/31/2016 at 3:34 PM, smac97 said: From The Guide to the Scriptures: Quote An angel of the Lord who participated in the restoration of all things (D&C 128:21). I have a strong inclination that Moses IS Raphael. Moses was a major prophet on the order of Enoch, Noah, Abraham. Moses had the key for the Gathering of Israel which he bestowed on Joseph Smith in the Kirtland Temple. 2
JLHPROF Posted June 17, 2016 Author Posted June 17, 2016 38 minutes ago, rodheadlee said: Is Jacob the head of a dispensation? No, not specifically. But there are two kinds of dispensations. One is a localized event (ie, 12 Apostles in Jerusalem/12 Apostles among the Nephites). The other refers to a worldwide event - a new restoration of authority to the entire earth. Jacob might be in the first category, but he was not one of the seven grand heads. Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Christ, Joseph Smith. But there are others who could rightly be considered as well, just not as grand heads. For instance, Joseph Smith said Abel was a head of dispensation. But the authority came to earth through Adam, his father and contemporary who presided over him. Peter presided on the earth despite there being 12 Apostles to whom the priesthood was dispensed in the New World.
Gray Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 19 hours ago, The Nehor said: He died a few seasons back shortly after Gabriel got knifed by Lucifer. Try to keep up. Nehor, you complete me 1
VideoGameJunkie Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 2 hours ago, JLHPROF said: Yes. Noah = Gabriel (and Elias in D&C 110:12 - see D&C 27:6-7) Adam = Michael Shem = Melchizedek That's cool, I didn't know Shem was Melchizedek.
consiglieri Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 Raphael appears in the Apocrypha, where the angel's name is mentioned in the Book of Tobit. This is likely Joseph Smith's source, as it was customary for Bibles to contain the Apocrypha two-hundred years ago, and it was present in the Bible Joseph Smith used in the JST. In a similar vein, the name Nephi also appears in the Apocrypha, but in 2 Maccabees. It should be noted that Nephi appears as a place name in 2 Maccabees. Just like Lehi appears as a place name in the Book of Judges.
JLHPROF Posted June 18, 2016 Author Posted June 18, 2016 7 hours ago, consiglieri said: Raphael appears in the Apocrypha, where the angel's name is mentioned in the Book of Tobit. This is likely Joseph Smith's source, as it was customary for Bibles to contain the Apocrypha two-hundred years ago, and it was present in the Bible Joseph Smith used in the JST. In a similar vein, the name Nephi also appears in the Apocrypha, but in 2 Maccabees. It should be noted that Nephi appears as a place name in 2 Maccabees. Just like Lehi appears as a place name in the Book of Judges. And where does Mahonrimoriancumr appear?
canard78 Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 On 6/16/2016 at 5:58 PM, Gray said: He's the grumpy one with the red bandanna, right? You beat me to it! 1
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