JLHPROF Posted June 20, 2016 Author Posted June 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, Sevenbak said: The obvious next question is... which one of the archangels / dispensational heads is Joseph Smith? Apocryphal Enoch1 lists them thus: Gabriel, Michael, Raphael, Uriel, Raguel, Ramiel and Sariel. I know there are other versions. Ooh, I like this... Unfortunately, since all of these archangels are written as contemporaries of Enoch I'm not sure any of them could be pre-mortal men like Joseph Smith or Moses. But maybe...
Sevenbak Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 6 hours ago, JLHPROF said: Ooh, I like this... Unfortunately, since all of these archangels are written as contemporaries of Enoch I'm not sure any of them could be pre-mortal men like Joseph Smith or Moses. But maybe... Contemporaries of Enoch in that they make appearance during his time? That's not the same as being mortal. D&C 130: 5 lays it out pretty good, imho. "there are no aangels who bminister to this earth but those who do belong or have belonged to it." It wouldn't bother me if dispensational heads were all premortal and postmortal archangels. Actually, it would follow a known pattern (Adam, Noah = Michael, Gabriel) and make sense to me.
Calm Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) Hmm...I think I will choose an El name and claimthat wasmy name in the preexistence...buttomorrow because wrist is getting annoyed as you can tell by spacing issues. Moriah is aYahweh name and found out one translated it as Bitterness of Yahweh (and I am guessing more accurate than seeker translation I found) so I am glad I shortened to Calm so I don't need to feel wedded to it. Edited June 21, 2016 by Calm
Sevenbak Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Calm said: Hmm...I think I will choose an El name and claimthat wasmy name in the preexistence...buttomorrow because wrist is getting annoyed as you can tell by spacing issues. Moriah is aYahweh name and found out one translated it as Bitterness of Yahweh (and I am guessing more accurate than seeker translation I found) so I am glad I shortened to Calm so I don't need to feel wedded to it. Ha, even Superman did it! Kal-El, son of Jor-El. Edited June 21, 2016 by Sevenbak
USU78 Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 6 hours ago, Sevenbak said: Ha, even Superman did it! Kal-El, son of Jor-El. Well ... his creators were Jewish 1
Rex Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 Adam is president of this world, Noah is first councilor, Joseph Smith is second councilor. I won’t deprive any of you of the hunt. The information is there for the taking. There are many resources other then the scriptures. A 28 volume set of discourses comes to mind. If you haven’t studied up on scripture, apocrypha, that has been removed from the Bible, I urge you all to study up, though that isn’t where you’ll find it. If JS is second councilor to this world, then it would lead one to believe Raphael was tasked with opening the last dispensation. How important was that task, ask yourself? More importantly, who will Joseph Smith be in the future world? So much to seek. None of this is debatable. Sound doctrine is there for those who feast
smac97 Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, Rex said: Adam is president of this world, Noah is first councilor, Joseph Smith is second councilor. I won’t deprive any of you of the hunt. The information is there for the taking. There are many resources other then the scriptures. A 28 volume set of discourses comes to mind. If you haven’t studied up on scripture, apocrypha, that has been removed from the Bible, I urge you all to study up, though that isn’t where you’ll find it. If JS is second councilor to this world, then it would lead one to believe Raphael was tasked with opening the last dispensation. How important was that task, ask yourself? More importantly, who will Joseph Smith be in the future world? So much to seek. None of this is debatable. Sound doctrine is there for those who feast I was interested in what you were saying until . . . "none of this is debatable." Yes, yes it is debatable. Absent clear revelation on the subject, it is quite debatable. Thanks, -Smac 2
Popular Post The Nehor Posted July 26, 2019 Popular Post Posted July 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Rex said: Adam is president of this world, Noah is first councilor, Joseph Smith is second councilor. I won’t deprive any of you of the hunt. The information is there for the taking. There are many resources other then the scriptures. A 28 volume set of discourses comes to mind. If you haven’t studied up on scripture, apocrypha, that has been removed from the Bible, I urge you all to study up, though that isn’t where you’ll find it. If JS is second councilor to this world, then it would lead one to believe Raphael was tasked with opening the last dispensation. How important was that task, ask yourself? More importantly, who will Joseph Smith be in the future world? So much to seek. None of this is debatable. Sound doctrine is there for those who feast First off: Secondly, you are arguing that Joseph Smith, who is Raphael, was rhapsodizing about the voice of Raphael declaring his dispensation and keys to Joseph. Not saying it is impossible but generally talking to yourself is not something you put in with a list of visits from the ancient dead. 5
JLHPROF Posted July 26, 2019 Author Posted July 26, 2019 32 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Secondly, you are arguing that Joseph Smith, who is Raphael, was rhapsodizing about the voice of Raphael declaring his dispensation and keys to Joseph. Not saying it is impossible but generally talking to yourself is not something you put in with a list of visits from the ancient dead. My thoughts exactly. Makes no sense. Dead thread walking...
smac97 Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 I like to think that we do not know anything about Raphael's mortal identity/ministry. I look forward to receiving further light and knowledge on such matters. Thanks, -Smac
mfbukowski Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) fergitabout it. Edited July 26, 2019 by mfbukowski
SettingDogStar Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 55 minutes ago, boo said: It is Enoch I’ve heard that too but I can’t remeber where.
jpv Posted July 28, 2019 Posted July 28, 2019 On 7/26/2019 at 11:23 AM, Rex said: Adam is president of this world, Noah is first councilor, Joseph Smith is second councilor. I won’t deprive any of you of the hunt. The information is there for the taking. There are many resources other then the scriptures. A 28 volume set of discourses comes to mind. If you haven’t studied up on scripture, apocrypha, that has been removed from the Bible, I urge you all to study up, though that isn’t where you’ll find it. If JS is second councilor to this world, then it would lead one to believe Raphael was tasked with opening the last dispensation. How important was that task, ask yourself? More importantly, who will Joseph Smith be in the future world? So much to seek. None of this is debatable. Sound doctrine is there for those who feast Where'd you find a JD set with two bonus volumes? 1
blueglass Posted July 28, 2019 Posted July 28, 2019 On 7/27/2019 at 1:48 AM, boo said: It is Enoch No - Enoch's angelic name is Metatron.
The Nehor Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 15 hours ago, blueglass said: No - Enoch's angelic name is Metatron. Metatron was the scribe of God and wrote the secret tablets the Winchester brothers used to try to seal the demons permanently in hell. Then he betrayed them and banished all the angels from heaven instead. Later he was defeated and forced back into mortality where he helped them fight the primordial darkness. When God returned he helped God write his autobiography. How many seasons behind are all of you? 2
CV75 Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 22 hours ago, The Nehor said: Metatron was the scribe of God and wrote the secret tablets the Winchester brothers used to try to seal the demons permanently in hell. Then he betrayed them and banished all the angels from heaven instead. Later he was defeated and forced back into mortality where he helped them fight the primordial darkness. When God returned he helped God write his autobiography. How many seasons behind are all of you? You believe in a different Metatron.
SettingDogStar Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, CV75 said: You believe in a different Metatron. It was a joke haha
The Nehor Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 2 hours ago, CV75 said: You believe in a different Metatron. I assume you believe in the heretical Transformers one?
CV75 Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 2 hours ago, SettingDogStar said: It was a joke haha I take my music seriously. 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: I assume you believe in the heretical Transformers one? Of course not! The Nikki Manaj one.
The Nehor Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, CV75 said: I take my music seriously. Of course not! The Nikki Manaj one. His brother Megatron is not amused:
stemelbow Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) Raphael is an angel mentioned in the book of Tobit. This is likely where Joseph got it. More on this: Quote In the book of Tobias, Raphael identifies himself as one of seven archangels “who stand before the Lord” (Tobit 12:15). Raphael also offers prayers on Tobias’ behalf, and Tobias, in turn, thanks the angel because he is “filled with all good things through him” (Tobit 12:3). https://www.gotquestions.org/angel-Raphael.html and Quote Raphael is named in several Jewish apocryphal books. The Life of Adam and Eve lists the archangels as well: Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, Raphael and Joel. Medieval Jewish philosopher Maimonides made a Jewish angelic hierarchy, which includes the archangel Raphael. Medieval French rabbi, author and Hebrew Bible commentator Rashi views Raphael as being one of the three angels that appeared to Abraham in the oak grove of Mamre in the Book of Genesis. Raphael is also mentioned in the Book of Enoch alongside archangels Michael, Gabriel and Uriel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_(archangel) But seeing as Joseph listed Raphael with Michael and Gabriel: Quote According to the Babylonian Talmud, Raphael is identified as one of the three angels that appeared to Abraham in the oak grove of Mamre, in the region of Hebron. (Gen. xviii; Bava Metzia 86b). Michael, as the greatest, walked in the middle, with Gabriel to his right and Raphael to his left (Yoma 37a). All three angels were commanded to carry out a specific mission. Gabriel's mission was to destroy Sodom; Michael's mission was to inform Sarah that she would give birth to Isaac in a year's time; Raphael's mission was to heal Abraham (from his recent circumcision) and save Lot. Rashi writes, "Although Raphael's mission included two tasks, they were considered a single mission since they were both acts that saved people."[4] Edited July 30, 2019 by stemelbow
The Nehor Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 Although Raphael’s sais seem impressive they lack the reach of Leonardo’s katanas or Donatello’s bo staff. Even Michaelangelo’s nunchucks have more reach.
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