Sensationalism

[Ahab]

13 hours ago, Valentinus said:

By your logic, as poor as it is, I would be wrong if God affirmed, for me, something that you disagree with. By that logic, you're telling God what he can or cannot affirm or, at worst, some "evil spirit" (or any other paranoid supernatural theory) gave me the affirmation. Either way, it is audacious and ridiculous. 

You didn't arrive at those conclusions by using logic and God will confirm any truth to you as long as you are using logic, otherwise you will have what is called a stupor of thought which is like what I felt after reading your words.

[Ahab]

19 hours ago, Valentinus said:

Good point in the correct context but change the word "can't" to "shouldn't" and nobody should be bothered by others who are speaking out in love to try to WARN others what they see as not a good thing to be doing. 

[Ahab]

4 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said:

Um...sorry Ahab but you totally missed the question. PaPa asked if there was any kind of consensual sxual activity between a married couple (husband and wife) that would be inappropriate in the bedroom. Try again. Read the question, then read my response, then try answering again.

Looks to me like you're back peddling by inserting the words (husband and wife) as if same sex marriages don't count as marriages.  Papa didn't say he was talking about only opposite sex marriages.  He asked if you thought it was okay for any people who are married to do anything they consented to do.  My point was the people of the same sex should never have sexual relations with each other even if they are in a bedroom and even if they are technically considered to be married to each other.

[HappyJackWagon]

2 hours ago, Ahab said:

Looks to me like you're back peddling by inserting the words (husband and wife) as if same sex marriages don't count as marriages.  Papa didn't say he was talking about only opposite sex marriages.  He asked if you thought it was okay for any people who are married to do anything they consented to do.  My point was the people of the same sex should never have sexual relations with each other even if they are in a bedroom and even if they are technically considered to be married to each other.

Not backpedaling but that's the way I interpreted his question so that's the basis upon which I answered. Frankly it's the only reason the question would be interesting and not simply a rehash of the other 5 pages worth of comments. But regardless, if I misinterpreted PaPas question, that's my fault.

Still, in my mind, whether hetero or homo my answer would be the same for married couples. So I guess my answer is still pathetic to you.

So I understand that to you ANY activity in a SSM would be inappropriate. We're not really covering any new ground there.

Do you consider any activity in a hetero marriage to be inappropriate?

 

[Ahab]

4 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said:

Not backpedaling but that's the way I interpreted his question so that's the basis upon which I answered. Frankly it's the only reason the question would be interesting and not simply a rehash of the other 5 pages worth of comments. But regardless, if I misinterpreted PaPas question, that's my fault.

Still, in my mind, whether hetero or homo my answer would be the same for married couples. So I guess my answer is still pathetic to you.

So I understand that to you ANY activity in a SSM would be inappropriate. We're not really covering any new ground there.

Do you consider any activity in a hetero marriage to be inappropriate?

 

I'm thinking that when you say activity you are talking about sexual activity, particularly any sexual activity involving sexual reproductive organs.  And yes there are some things that not even opposite sex married couples should do to or with their sexual organs.  Stuff I'd rather not talk about except to say that the fact that same sex couples shouldn't do those things doesn't mean opposite sex married couples shouldn't do them.

[Damien the Leper]

7 hours ago, Ahab said:

You didn't arrive at those conclusions by using logic and God will confirm any truth to you as long as you are using logic, otherwise you will have what is called a stupor of thought which is like what I felt after reading your words.

It was simple deductive reasoning. You're always in a stupor. 99% of your posts are regurgitated rot.

[Ahab]

3 minutes ago, Valentinus said:

It was simple deductive reasoning. You're always in a stupor. 99% of your posts are regurgitated rot.

I'm not impressed by what you call deductive reasoning, either.

I never even hinted at the idea that God cannot assure us of something/anything that is both true and logical,  including when demonic spirits are speaking to and through you.

[Damien the Leper]

15 hours ago, Ahab said:

 

I'm not impressed by what you call deductive reasoning, either.

I never even hinted at the idea that God cannot assure us of something/anything that is both true and logical,  including when demonic spirits are speaking to and through you.

Evil doesn't speak to and through anyone. That's just silly.

[rodheadlee]

On 5/25/2016 at 7:32 AM, jkwilliams said:

I was just thinking about when my sister converted to Judaism while I was on my mission. When I was set apart for my mission, my stake president promised that my family would be brought closer together and that my brother and sister would be drawn back toward the Lord and the church because of my faithful service. I felt like I must not have served faithfully enough because my sister was not only formally rejecting the church, she was rejecting Christ. I told my mission president how upset I was, and he suggested I write a letter to her explaining how I felt and "calling her to repentance," essentially. I started writing the letter, but I realized that, since she had met her fiance, my sister was happier than she had been in a while, and she was doing really well. I felt ashamed that I had been tempted to condemn, to "decry sin," and all that. Instead, I wrote her a letter explaining that I was sorry I couldn't be at the wedding, but I was glad she had found someone to be happy with and spend the rest of her life with. The bad feelings went away, and I prayed for forgiveness for having been so judgmental.

If I had sent a letter decrying her leaving the church, would that have strengthened my family or weakened it? If one of my children were gay and decided to get married, would it strengthen or weaken our family if I were to decry his or her sin and refuse to accept their marriage and place in our family? Or would it strengthen our family if I were to tell that child that I loved him or her, no matter what, even if I disagreed with the decision to marry? FWIW, none of my six children are gay, but if I were faced with such a situation, I would certainly encourage my child to marry rather than live in a string of uncommitted relationships. 

And it's also silly to say that disavowing gay marriage in general is not the same as disavowing a particular gay marriage. That's like saying, "Drinking alcohol is against the Word of Wisdom, unless it's Guinness."

This really cannot be compared to SSM. I would consider your sister to be on an adventure, a journey, seeking God to the best of her ability.

[jkwilliams]

19 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

This really cannot be compared to SSM. I would consider your sister to be on an adventure, a journey, seeking God to the best of her ability.

I know plenty of gay couples who believe in God and feel their marriage is part of that journey, seeking God to the best of their ability. I even know people who say they felt spiritually prompted to meet and marry someone of the same sex.

[rodheadlee]

1 minute ago, jkwilliams said:

I know plenty of gay couples who believe in God and feel their marriage is part of that journey, seeking God to the best of their ability. I even know people who say they felt spiritually prompted to meet and marry someone of the same sex.

Yeah sure, ok. 

[jkwilliams]

3 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

Yeah sure, ok. 

I don't know about you, but I don't feel qualified to judge other people's spiritual experiences. If someone tells me the spirit prompted them to do something, I figure that's between them and the spirit.

ETA: I was thinking in particular of a good friend of mine and former colleague, who is a devout Christian (he attends the Methodist church) and told me of some of the spiritual path that led to him finding his husband. I understand that some people might say God would never do that, but I don't think it's proper to place limitations on God. He doesn't always do what we expect Him to do.

Edited May 27, 2016 by jkwilliams

[rodheadlee]

59 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

I don't know about you, but I don't feel qualified to judge other people's spiritual experiences. If someone tells me the spirit prompted them to do something, I figure that's between them and the spirit.

ETA: I was thinking in particular of a good friend of mine and former colleague, who is a devout Christian (he attends the Methodist church) and told me of some of the spiritual path that led to him finding his husband. I understand that some people might say God would never do that, but I don't think it's proper to place limitations on God. He doesn't always do what we expect Him to do.

Yeah after further thought I agree. I don't classify people by their religion or sexual orientation, I tend to classify them by their occupation so I would only judge their work.

[Ahab]

Just now, Valentinus said:

Just now, Ahab said:

 

I'm not impressed by what you call deductive reasoning, either.

I never even hinted at the idea that God cannot assure us of something/anything that is both true and logical,  including when demonic spirits are speaking to and through you.

Evil doesn't speak to and through anyone. That's just silly.

I said demonic spirits and you translated demonic spirits into the word evil.  

So, okay, if you want to think of it that way, yes evil does speak to and through people, and no it isn't just silly.  It is evil, and it is how evil gets passed along from person to person beginning with the evil that speaks to and through a person and then gets passed along to another person.

Not that I expect you to agree with all of that, but you might want to be careful lest the evil in people speak to and through you and then gets passed along to other people while you think it isn't really anything but just silly.

[Rock_N_Roll]

On 5/25/2016 at 3:46 PM, 3DOP said:

Would that not mean that your brother-in-law is married to your brother?

Yes.  They are both my brothers-in-law.