Popular Post consiglieri Posted January 7, 2016 Popular Post Posted January 7, 2016 One of the most powerful spiritual experiences in my life happened while listening to Elder McConkie bear his final testimony in April 1985 General Conference. I was sitting in the stake center in Austin, Texas, watching his giant-size projected image on the screen at the front of the chapel. As Elder McConkie concluded his talk with his testimony, I felt the Holy Spirit swoop down from the screen and over me like a rushing, mighty wind. I have never experienced the Holy Ghost in exactly the same way before or since. It was something I will never forget. All the Best! --Consiglieri 5
Jeanne Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 Is there a link or something that we could have access to? I would love to read it.
Zakuska Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 Who are you and what have you done with the real Consiglieri ? 3
Jeanne Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 1 minute ago, Zakuska said: Who are you and what have you done with the real Consiglieri ? Yeh...this is why I wanted to read that final testimony!
smac97 Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 13 minutes ago, consiglieri said: One of the most powerful spiritual experiences in my life happened while listening to Elder McConkie bear his final testimony in April 1985 General Conference. I was sitting in the stake center in Austin, Texas, watching his giant-size projected image on the screen at the front of the chapel. As Elder McConkie concluded his talk with his testimony, I felt the Holy Spirit swoop down from the screen and over me like a rushing, mighty wind. I have never experienced the Holy Ghost in exactly the same way before or since. It was something I will never forget. All the Best! --Consiglieri Waiting for the other shoe to drop . . . -Smac 3
Danzo Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 14 minutes ago, Jeanne said: Is there a link or something that we could have access to? I would love to read it. https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1985/04/the-purifying-power-of-gethsemane?lang=eng
Rain Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 Reading it seriously won't do it justice, and I'm one who gets more out of reading than hearing. I remember that talk as well. I have had other spiritual experiences, but that was one of the top for me regarding Christ and my testimony of Christ. 2
Jeanne Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 32 minutes ago, Danzo said: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1985/04/the-purifying-power-of-gethsemane?lang=eng Thank you!
Avatar4321 Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 1 hour ago, consiglieri said: One of the most powerful spiritual experiences in my life happened while listening to Elder McConkie bear his final testimony in April 1985 General Conference. I was sitting in the stake center in Austin, Texas, watching his giant-size projected image on the screen at the front of the chapel. As Elder McConkie concluded his talk with his testimony, I felt the Holy Spirit swoop down from the screen and over me like a rushing, mighty wind. I have never experienced the Holy Ghost in exactly the same way before or since. It was something I will never forget. All the Best! --Consiglieri Perhaps asking why that experience was such a powerful witness to you from the Spirit will help you figure out why your experiences since then have been different
consiglieri Posted January 7, 2016 Author Posted January 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Jeanne said: Is there a link or something that we could have access to? I would love to read it. You should really listen to it, I think. It suffers in translation. I was about to look for the link but see somebody has already provided it!
consiglieri Posted January 7, 2016 Author Posted January 7, 2016 1 hour ago, smac97 said: Waiting for the other shoe to drop . . . -Smac Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. 3
consiglieri Posted January 7, 2016 Author Posted January 7, 2016 15 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said: Perhaps asking why that experience was such a powerful witness to you from the Spirit will help you figure out why your experiences since then have been different My experiences since then have not been different. They just tend to build on each other.
Jeanne Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 46 minutes ago, consiglieri said: You should really listen to it, I think. It suffers in translation. I was about to look for the link but see somebody has already provided it! Thank you..I could listen..but not really understand. I am basically deaf. This is why I love CC's. There is a plus though..I get to ignore my kids...
Scott Lloyd Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 2 hours ago, smac97 said: Waiting for the other shoe to drop . . . -Smac For generations, it has been the practice of the Salt Lake Tribune to provide extensive and mostly respectful coverage of LDS general conference and other high-profile, Mormon-related events. This has served to placate their Mormon subscribers enough that they stay on board, even as the newspaper at other times publishes content that appeals to the chronic Mormonism bashers who make up its niche market. In large measure, the strategy has worked.
cinepro Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 2 hours ago, Jeanne said: Is there a link or something that we could have access to? I would love to read it. I recommend watching it: Link But you can read it if you want to: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1985/04/the-purifying-power-of-gethsemane?lang=eng 1
cinepro Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, consiglieri said: One of the most powerful spiritual experiences in my life happened while listening to Elder McConkie bear his final testimony in April 1985 General Conference. I was sitting in the stake center in Austin, Texas, watching his giant-size projected image on the screen at the front of the chapel. As Elder McConkie concluded his talk with his testimony, I felt the Holy Spirit swoop down from the screen and over me like a rushing, mighty wind. I have never experienced the Holy Ghost in exactly the same way before or since. It was something I will never forget. All the Best! --Consiglieri I had a tape of the talk on my mission, and we listened to it often. I still have big chunks of it memorized, and can recite them in Elder McConkie's tone (a party trick which impresses no one these days). But to be clear, the talk does contain some very McConkie-specific takes on certain doctrines which are now explicitly disbelieved by many of the more scholarly members of the Church. So while I appreciate the more eloquent parts of Elder McConkie's explanations regarding the Atonement and his feelings towards the gospel, I assume the spirit isn't confirming the parts about the creation and Garden of Eden... Quote In Eden we will see all things created in a paradisiacal state—without death, without procreation, without probationary experiences. We will come to know that such a creation, now unknown to man, was the only way to provide for the Fall. We will then see Adam and Eve, the first man and the first woman, step down from their state of immortal and paradisiacal glory to become the first mortal flesh on earth. Mortality, including as it does procreation and death, will enter the world. And because of transgression a probationary estate of trial and testing will begin. Edited January 7, 2016 by cinepro
consiglieri Posted January 7, 2016 Author Posted January 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said: For generations, it has been the practice of the Salt Lake Tribune to provide extensive and mostly respectful coverage of LDS general conference and other high-profile, Mormon-related events. This has served to placate their Mormon subscribers enough that they stay on board, even as the newspaper at other times publishes content that appeals to the chronic Mormonism bashers who make up its niche market. In large measure, the strategy has worked. I'll keep it up, then. Thanks for the return-and-report, Scott!
consiglieri Posted January 7, 2016 Author Posted January 7, 2016 1 hour ago, cinepro said: I had a tape of the talk on my mission, and we listened to it often. I still have big chunks of it memorized, and can recite them in Elder McConkie's tone (a party trick which impresses no one these days). But to be clear, the talk does contain some very McConkie-specific takes on certain doctrines which are now explicitly disbelieved by many of the more scholarly members of the Church. So while I appreciate the more eloquent parts of Elder McConkie's explanations regarding the Atonement and his feelings towards the gospel, I assume the spirit isn't confirming the parts about the creation and Garden of Eden... I would love to hear your McConkie impression, Cinepro. He is one of the few people I know who make "God" a three syllable word. I am just glad the Spirit didn't witness to me until he got past this stuff about the Garden of Eden. But then, the Spirit pulled a number on me while listening to Paul Dunn talks on cassette. 1
smac97 Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 Just now, consiglieri said: I would love to hear your McConkie impression, Cinepro. He is one of the few people I know who make "God" a three syllable word. I am just glad the Spirit didn't witness to me until he got past this stuff about the Garden of Eden. But then, the Spirit pulled a number on me while listening to Paul Dunn talks on cassette. Ah! There's the other shoe! -Smac 2
Scott Lloyd Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 4 minutes ago, consiglieri said: I'll keep it up, then. Thanks for the return-and-report, Scott! I said the strategy in large measure has worked. I didn't say it was praiseworthy.
consiglieri Posted January 7, 2016 Author Posted January 7, 2016 3 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: I said the strategy in large measure has worked. I didn't say it was praiseworthy. I just wanted to make sure you knew your "worthless jab" at me didn't go unappreciated.
RevTestament Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 7 hours ago, consiglieri said: One of the most powerful spiritual experiences in my life happened while listening to Elder McConkie bear his final testimony in April 1985 General Conference. I was sitting in the stake center in Austin, Texas, watching his giant-size projected image on the screen at the front of the chapel. As Elder McConkie concluded his talk with his testimony, I felt the Holy Spirit swoop down from the screen and over me like a rushing, mighty wind. I have never experienced the Holy Ghost in exactly the same way before or since. It was something I will never forget. All the Best! --Consiglieri Thank you for sharing. Is this the part where the spirit witnessed to you?: "Then, in a way incomprehensible to us, he took up that body which had not yet seen corruption and arose in that glorious immortality which made him like his resurrected Father."
JAHS Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 I may have shared this before but here's a little background story about his final talk: The "I Believe in Christ Legacy" by Jane P. Merrill (Sister Merrill attends the same ward as Amelia McConkie, the widow of Elder Bruce R. McConkie who passed away in 1985.] Recently in our Fast and Testimony meeting, we had the opportunity to hear Sister Amelia McConkie bear her testimony. As she began to speak, I felt strongly impressed to take notes, recognizing that it was a rare opportunity to hear a first hand account of Elder Bruce R. McConkie's last few weeks. After church I wrote up the account and then took it to Sister McConkie to make sure it was correct, and to get her approval. Sister McConkie's story: "In Relief Society today our closing song was 'I Believe in Christ.' Then, as we began our Fast and Testimony meeting, our opening song was 'I Believe in Christ.' This co-incidence made me think that perhaps it's time I share with you how we got this hymn. "Some 15 years ago, my husband Bruce R. McConkie was very ill. The doctor told us he had two months to live, at the most. However, Bruce felt he still had some things he wanted to do. The Brethren gave him a blessing and his family gathered to share their faith and prayers. He lived an additional fourteen months, although he was very ill much of that time. He never thought he wasn't going to get better. He told me time and time again that this was the Lord's test for him, and that he had enough faith in and of himself to be healed. "Early in February, on an overcast day much like today, I decided to make a pie to cheer him up, as he loved pie. While I was doing this he lay on the floor in our bedroom, which he often did. He had a pencil and paper in hand and was writing. Then he came into the kitchen where I was working and said, 'Do you want to hear what I'm going to talk about in Conference?' "The pie was almost finished and I wanted to get it in the oven, but I soon realized that you don't make pies while he's talking like this. So I stopped and sat down to listen. He read to me his talk, and I said, 'It's the most beautiful thing you've ever written, but how will you ever do it?' He was so ill and so weak. 'I don't know,' he answered, 'but I will.' "His doctor was so worried. 'You've got a dying man on your hands; you must not let him speak at conference. If he tries, he will collapse on nationwide television.' But I couldn't try to stop him. He was determined to do it and nothing could have stopped him. Our son said, 'I don't think there's anything Dad wanted to do more than preach that last sermon at Conference.' So our children fasted together, asking that their father would have the physical and emotional strength to fulfill his wish. "During the Saturday morning session of April 1985 General Conference, a thin Bruce R. McConkie took his place at the pulpit and despite his weakened condition, he bore majestic testimony to the truths so integral to his life and mission. He testified, 'I am one of his witnesses, and in a coming day I shall feel the nail marks in his hands and in his feet and shall wet his feet with my tears. But I shall not know any better then than I know now that he is God's Almighty Son, that he is our Savior and Redeemer, and that salvation comes in and through his atoning blood and in no other way.' (Excerpted from his Conference address) "The following Sunday Elder Packer visited him at home and gave him a blessing in which he told Bruce he should 'quit resisting the will of the Lord.' We both knew what he meant. At the conclusion, with tears running down his face, Bruce looked at me as I stood at the foot of the bed, and said, 'Amelia, do you know what he just did?' 'Yes,' I answered, 'he has sealed you unto death.' "That was so hard on Bruce. He wanted so much to live. But as I showed Elder Packer out, Bruce got up, folded the bedspread as he always did at night, got ready for bed, and got under the covers. Always before he would insist that I make the bed and he would lay on top of it, fully dressed. But this was his way of saying to the Lord, 'I am bowing to your will.' He passed away a short time later." What a great blessing to have the beautiful hymn, "I Believe In Christ", taken from his testimony. As recorded and written by Jane P. Merrill September 6, 1998 3
telnetd Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 On 07/01/2016 at 0:46 PM, consiglieri said: One of the most powerful spiritual experiences in my life happened while listening to Elder McConkie bear his final testimony in April 1985 General Conference. ... All the Best! --Consiglieri Also saw Bruce McConkie's Seven Deadly Heresies Speech mentioned at BYU. He seems to refer to some teachings that have also crept into the LDS Church. Gail
Tacenda Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 On 1/7/2016 at 3:01 PM, consiglieri said: I would love to hear your McConkie impression, Cinepro. He is one of the few people I know who make "God" a three syllable word. I am just glad the Spirit didn't witness to me until he got past this stuff about the Garden of Eden. But then, the Spirit pulled a number on me while listening to Paul Dunn talks on cassette. Listened to many Paul H. Dunn cassettes too, that were my husband's from his mission.
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