Mormons Hoarding Against "the End Of The World"?

[carbon dioxide]

Someone just told me on Facebook that Pres. Monson's talk last sept. says that "the "laborers" don't want to scare the chickens (the saints) because we would stop being productive." and that's why the Brethren have not told us to prepare for all the calamities that Rowe is prophesying.

 

The faithful will be prepared because they've been paying attention, and that's all that matters.

 

Someone just told me on Facebook that Pres. Monson's talk last sept. says that "the "laborers" don't want to scare the chickens (the saints) because we would stop being productive." and that's why the Brethren have not told us to prepare for all the calamities that Rowe is prophesying.

 

The faithful will be prepared because they've been paying attention, and that's all that matters.

So the laborers would rather let the "chicken" think all is well until the day of their slaughter?  I think that is sort of evil.  They may not tell us the day or hour but I do believe we will get some heads up notice on something before it occurs if they are aware of something.  Actually people will be more productive if they know something is approaching.  People tend to get off their butts when disaster is around the corner.   Productivity goes down when things are nice and calm.  They are more worried about football especially this time of year.  Good way to bring inactives back to church is a high risk of death and destruction.  Prosperity makes people apathetic.  Distress causes people to turn away from the world and to God.

Edited September 11, 2015 by carbon dioxide

[TheSkepticChristian]

 

Isn’t that sort of like saying that LDS want to die because death is required for entering into the celestial kingdom?  

 

LDS do not like death, but deep inside they want it for themselves and their loved ones … ?

 

Humans nature is selfish. I didn't say most LDS want to personally go to war, but they want our military to go.

 

 

 

 than to try to prevent them? 

 

 

LDS are not thinking that, they are thinking "look at the number of wars"

Many want to see many wars because it is a sign of the second comming.

[Duncan]

Someone just told me on Facebook that Pres. Monson's talk last sept. says that "the "laborers" don't want to scare the chickens (the saints) because we would stop being productive." and that's why the Brethren have not told us to prepare for all the calamities that Rowe is prophesying.

 

The faithful will be prepared because they've been paying attention, and that's all that matters.

 

 

Pres. Packer

 

"There are some among us now who have not been regularly ordained by the heads of the Church and who tell of impending political and economic chaos, the end of the world—something of the “sky is falling, chicken licken” of the fables. They are misleading members to gather to colonies or cults.

Those deceivers say that the Brethren do not know what is going on in the world or that the Brethren approve of their teaching but do not wish to speak of it over the pulpit. Neither is true. The Brethren, by virtue of traveling constantly everywhere on earth, certainly know what is going on, and by virtue of prophetic insight are able to read the signs of the times.

Do not be deceived by them—those deceivers. If there is to be any gathering, it will be announced by those who have been regularly ordained and who are known to the Church to have authority." Oct. 1992 GC

[Calm]

If one stores a year or even two of food using the foods that one usually eats, takes advantage of sales and seasonal rates, one can actually use one's food storage as a savings plan, which means it wll never be just an unused burden that sits there waiting for something that might never happen.

[thesometimesaint]

Wait for rescue from whom?  FEMA???

 

I don't see a problem with people buying as much supplies as they want as long as they can afford it without going into debt or using retirement funds.   Having a year supply is recommended.  Also one should use that supply in their normal lives to rotate the food.  I have two 55 gallon barrels of water in my garage.  If I was to dedicate 2 gallons of water a day for drinking and food for my family of 4, that would give me 55 days worth.  I can easily double that by buying another 2 barrels for a 100 bucks.

 

Yes FEMA, can and does help. "Heck of a job Brownie" withstanding, but don't wait for anyone. Have at least 72 hrs of emergency supplies on hand at all times. More if and when you can afford it. Actually it is one gallon per day per person. You're 2 gallons off. That means no bathing/showers/clothes cleaning/flushing the toilet/and a host of other inconveniences. Just strictly survival. Of course in the event of a natural disaster illness spread by lack of cleanliness isn't a problem, now is it?

[jkwilliams]

In my experience, those who get involved in this weird mixture of fanatical religion, right-wing politics, and doomsday preparation tend to have a skewed sense of perspective, and they are often motivated by fear. They also tend to believe that the Brethren, while they don't endorse the preppers, secretly are 100% behind them and send coded messages out in conference addresses; those with eyes to see and ears to hear will understand these coded messages.

I've known a few of these people, and almost without exception, they have strayed rather far from orthodox Mormonism; many of them come to believe that they are more spiritually in tune with what is happening than are church leaders, so they have no qualms about ignoring priesthood authority and setting themselves up as the ultimate arbiter of God's will. Not coincidentally, I've written about such people on my blog today.

https://runtu.wordpress.com/2015/09/11/where-was-julie-rowe-in-1991/

[thesometimesaint]

In my experience, those who get involved in this weird mixture of fanatical religion, right-wing politics, and doomsday preparation tend to have a skewed sense of perspective, and they are often motivated by fear. They also tend to believe that the Brethren, while they don't endorse the preppers, secretly are 100% behind them and send coded messages out in conference addresses; those with eyes to see and ears to hear will understand these coded messages.

I've known a few of these people, and almost without exception, they have strayed rather far from orthodox Mormonism; many of them come to believe that they are more spiritually in tune with what is happening than are church leaders, so they have no qualms about ignoring priesthood authority and setting themselves up as the ultimate arbiter of God's will. Not coincidentally, I've written about such people on my blog today.

https://runtu.wordpress.com/2015/09/11/where-was-julie-rowe-in-1991/

 

Sounds absolutely dreadful. Unfortunately the LDS are not immune to the crazies and/or jerks.

[gclayjr]

All,

 

I must confess that I do look into the near future with trepidation thinking that hard times are VERY near at hand.  I expect to live through difficult times as prophesied. 

 

That being said, I think that maybe we we often think or hope that once the "Fit hits the Shan", shortly thereafter, Christ appears and the millennium begins. I think that the period of allowing the tares and the wheat to grow and ripen together has occurred over a fairly long period (as per human time for those living through it), and the harvesting and separating will also take quite awhile.

 

We may see a lot of disasters including financial collapse, very soon (perhaps this month as predicted by so many), yet it may also be our great grandchildren that will actually see the beginning of the millennium.

 

I have pondered this a lot, and I find it hard not to be a bit frightened. I rest my fears with the statement that God knows all, and if we we follow his commandments, including preparedness, and loving one another, All will be well, even if as in that great hymn

 

 

Though hard to you this journey may appear,
Grace shall be as your day.
Tis better far for us to strive
Our useless cares from us to drive;
Do this, and joy your hearts will swell -
All is well! All is well!

 

Regards

 

George Clay

[CV75]

 

Edited September 11, 2015 by CV75

[The Nehor]

Wait for rescue from whom?  FEMA???

 

I don't see a problem with people buying as much supplies as they want as long as they can afford it without going into debt or using retirement funds.   Having a year supply is recommended.  Also one should use that supply in their normal lives to rotate the food.  I have two 55 gallon barrels of water in my garage.  If I was to dedicate 2 gallons of water a day for drinking and food for my family of 4, that would give me 55 days worth.  I can easily double that by buying another 2 barrels for a 100 bucks.

Preppers are delusional about how long they will last. Without mechanized agriculture the world cannot be fed short of manna from heaven. the difference between food for 60 days and a year is how long you can live assuming you have water and assuming you are willing to gun down your neighbors to protect your food and that they do not shoot you first.

I doubt these scenarios are our future.

[jkwilliams]

 

It would work better if they were armed.

[Scott Lloyd]

In my experience, those who get involved in this weird mixture of fanatical religion, right-wing politics, and doomsday preparation tend to have a skewed sense of perspective, and they are often motivated by fear. They also tend to believe that the Brethren, while they don't endorse the preppers, secretly are 100% behind them and send coded messages out in conference addresses; those with eyes to see and ears to hear will understand these coded messages.I've known a few of these people, and almost without exception, they have strayed rather far from orthodox Mormonism; many of them come to believe that they are more spiritually in tune with what is happening than are church leaders, so they have no qualms about ignoring priesthood authority and setting themselves up as the ultimate arbiter of God's will. Not coincidentally, I've written about such people on my blog today.https://runtu.wordpress.com/2015/09/11/where-was-julie-rowe-in-1991/

A variation is that Elder So-and-So made such-and-such a declaration at some fireside somewhere that some calamity will be transpiring in a couple of weeks or so. Why these privileged few in attendance at this fireside are the only ones in the Church being made privy to this thing is never quite made clear by the panick rousers.

Edited September 12, 2015 by Scott Lloyd

[Stargazer]

I agree with everything you say, one questino I have though is why are hastening the work if the end isn't near?

My question is: why quote that entire humongous post only to reply with a one-liner?

[Stargazer]

If I take every element of religious belief away from this subject what do I have left.  I have people preparing for disasters, natural, economic, and political.  But who’s to say that those preparations will actually be enough to help if these dooms day scenarios come true.

 

I believe it is important to have some level of insurance against catastrophe.  But as with anything you can take that principle way too far, and become obsessed with it.  The anxiety that these people must be coping with is hard for me to fathom. 

 

Use your common sense, have a little extra food and water on hand, but don’t go overboard.  This kind of extreme can’t be a fulfilling way to live your life.

 

Any moment now, the Cascadia Subduction Zone off the northwest coast of the United States (and southwest coast of Canada) will blow its stack with a 9.0+ earthquake and a tsunami to make Japan's recent one look trivial in comparison.  Seattle, WA and Portland, OR will be devastated, as will many communities along the western side of the Cascade Range.  In many cases a CSZ quake has triggered the northern end of the San Andreas fault to generate a "big one," too.

 

"In 2009, some geologists predicted a 10% to 14% probability that the Cascadia Subduction Zone will produce an event of magnitude 9.0 or higher in the next 50 years. In 2010, studies suggested that the risk could be as high as 37% for earthquakes of magnitude 8.0 or higher."

 

In the Pacific NW, if you're not going overboard at least a little bit then you are woefully unprepared.  And most people here are completely unprepared.  But as for me and my house, we have food storage and well-supplied bug-out kits.

Edited September 12, 2015 by Stargazer

[Stargazer]

They also mention Cleon Skousen...I remember my husband's boss loaned him a book called "The 5000 Year Leap"  I don't know if that's anything to do with this phenomenon

 

No, the 5,000 year leap is this:

 

 

In The 5000 Year Leap: A Miracle That Changed the World, Discover the 28 Principles of Freedom our Founding Fathers said must be understood and perpetuated by every people who desire peace, prosperity, and freedom. Learn how adherence to these beliefs during the past 200 years has brought about more progress than was made in the previous 5000 years. These 28 Principles include The Genius of Natural Law, Virtuous and Moral Leaders, Equal Rights--Not Equal Things, and Avoiding the Burden of Debt.

[Stargazer]

I am familiar with an active LDS man, who was excited at the invasion of Iraq because, as he put it, the Spirit testified to him that it would end up getting missionaries into that country. (Not in our lifetime, apparently.)

During the MX Missile controversy in the 70s, popular support for the system in Utah was high until the church condemned the program.

Unfortunately, LDS have not always been in the forefront of suing for peace rather than supporting armed conflict.

So, while it may not be accurate to say LDS want war, it can fairly be said that some LDS do not abhor war the way we probably should.

 

Many condemned the Church's political involvement in respect of the MX program, but regardless, the program was the most ridiculous idea the defense establishment could have come up with. The idea was to make it difficult for the Soviets to predict where individual MX missiles were at any given time, so as not to succumb to a surprise missile attack without having the ability to respond in kind.  The idea was to preserve MAD, but really, all the Soviets needed to do was increase the number of warheads targeting the US, so as to take out much of the MX system.  Compared to the cost of the MX system, additional warheads were cheap, and when carried aboard MIRV'ed vehicles, easily delivered.

 

The US needed a dispersal system which was truly unpredictable, and ballistic missile submarines were the answer to this necessity.  In my opinion, the Church was right to express disapproval, for many reasons.

[Stargazer]

_{The extent to which some people go in "preparedness" is absurd.}

 

_{If the economy ceases to exist as we know it, the limiting factor will be getting water.  At most, one can live only a week without water.  Since most of us live in urban areas, and sometimes our water supplies are hundreds of miles from where we live no one really has a chance.}

 

_{Best advice:  Keep a 72 hour supply, and wait for rescue.  Planning for the Apccalypse is absurd:  One Cannot.}

 

Would you please increase your font size?  Not all of us have 20-something eyeballs.

 

Absurd?  Not necessarily.  There will be some natural disasters in the future which will be so widespread that waiting for rescue would go unrewarded.  Whether it will happen in your lifetime or in your geographical neighborhood, is perhaps difficult to predict, but some care for what may come is not unwise, and for which a 72 hour kit would be completely inadequate against.  If you have to bug out, of course, all the survival food in your basement is going to be of no use, unless you can return to it.  Because you surely won't be able to load it into your car in the time available.  But if you don't have to bug out, then a 2 year supply of food and a month or so of water, along with other items valuable in a primitive situation may be very valuable and not at all absurd.  And not just for you! 

[Stargazer]

If one stores a year or even two of food using the foods that one usually eats, takes advantage of sales and seasonal rates, one can actually use one's food storage as a savings plan, which means it wll never be just an unused burden that sits there waiting for something that might never happen.

 

Exactly.  Years ago an acquaintance of mine changed careers, and because the career he changed into was in sales and he was going to have to live on his commissions, he had a couple of very lean years ahead until things got good.  His family food storage saved them from going hungry in the lean times.  Food storage isn't just for disasters.

[Calm]

I've known a number of families who have survived job losses well by living off of food storage, their own or someone else's.

[carbon dioxide]

Yes FEMA, can and does help. "Heck of a job Brownie" withstanding, but don't wait for anyone. Have at least 72 hrs of emergency supplies on hand at all times. More if and when you can afford it. Actually it is one gallon per day per person. You're 2 gallons off. That means no bathing/showers/clothes cleaning/flushing the toilet/and a host of other inconveniences. Just strictly survival. Of course in the event of a natural disaster illness spread by lack of cleanliness isn't a problem, now is it?

I can promise you no individual in this household drinks a gallon of anything a day.  Collectively we probably do no more than 2.   One can cut back as well for survival.  When water is scarce, drinking is priority 1.   I also have a good water filter that will filter out several thousand gallons.  So I can find some dirty rain water, run it through the filter and it will be clean enough to drink. 

Edited September 12, 2015 by carbon dioxide

[carbon dioxide]

Preppers are delusional about how long they will last. Without mechanized agriculture the world cannot be fed short of manna from heaven. the difference between food for 60 days and a year is how long you can live assuming you have water and assuming you are willing to gun down your neighbors to protect your food and that they do not shoot you first.

I doubt these scenarios are our future.

One can assume that a certain % of the population will riot and die out.  Competition for resources will lessen and one can take their food since they will not need it anymore. 

[Duncan]

My question is: why quote that entire humongous post only to reply with a one-liner?

 

 

so they would know I am responding to them and not someone else!

[mrmarklin]

I can promise you no individual in this household drinks a gallon of anything a day.  Collectively we probably do no more than 2.   One can cut back as well for survival.  When water is scarce, drinking is priority 1.   I also have a good water filter that will filter out several thousand gallons.  So I can find some dirty rain water, run it through the filter and it will be clean enough to drink.

I don't know where you live, but here in the SF Bay Area of California, the sources of water are in the mountains, well over 100-200 miles away. If those pipes were shut off for even a few days, the situation would become dire very quickly. This does not even account for the fact that the largely urban population wouldn't know how to dig wells, etc.

I have a 70 gallon water heater but none of that would last long.

Yes, we are so interdependent as a society that we will need help from FEMA or its equivalent.

I'm luckier than most, I have a country property near a reliable water source, but it's still 278 miles away, and in a major catastrophe I probably couldn't get there.

Maybe catastrophe will strike during one of my frequent visits.:-)

[Rain]

I can promise you no individual in this household drinks a gallon of anything a day. Collectively we probably do no more than 2. One can cut back as well for survival. When water is scarce, drinking is priority 1. I also have a good water filter that will filter out several thousand gallons. So I can find some dirty rain water, run it through the filter and it will be clean enough to drink.

Having lived on only food storage for a month I thought differently. When you cook from scratch or rehydrate meals you often use more water than you normally would just for cooking. Powdered milk, concentrated OJ. Then I found there were more dishes to clean. I found I really did more water than I imagined.

Edited September 12, 2015 by Rain

[Stargazer]

so they would know I am responding to them and not someone else!

 

OK.  Yes, but you were the first person to reply.  You could have cut out most of the post. 

 

But don't mind me, I'm not the Board Nanny.  Just looking to complain about something. Sigh.