JAHS Posted August 2, 2015 Posted August 2, 2015 Take SacramentParticipate in gospels discussions at churchDiscuss at home with family what was learned at churchAvoid making purchases unless it's an emergencyNo participation in sports or other athletic activities (going for a walk is good though)Do some hometeachingDo Some gospel study, scripture readingTake a nice long napGenerally keep an attitude of worship throughout the day.
Senator Posted August 2, 2015 Posted August 2, 2015 What do you do to keep it?Posting on LDS message boards 1
bluebell Posted August 2, 2015 Posted August 2, 2015 I listen to the LDS hymns of worship channel on Pandora while I'm getting ready and try to read gospel centered books or the scriptures before church. We start at 1 though so it's a lot of time to fill. Some days I do much better than others.
Thinking Posted August 2, 2015 Posted August 2, 2015 Mark 2:27The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 1
Jeanne Posted August 2, 2015 Posted August 2, 2015 Just curious for those of you who have young families. Do you keep your kids in church attire all day? Is this hard? I know that I was not allowed to play outside and have seen little kids in white shirts on a walk on a hot summer day. and I just feel sad for them.
Storm Rider Posted August 2, 2015 Posted August 2, 2015 When our children were young they only wore church attire when going to church. As soon as we were home the church clothes came off and they dressed in whatever made them feel comfortable just as we did. I only remember one family that wanted to wear church attire all day and their children were all teens....and I still thought it was a little too much and unnecessary, but they like it for their family.
why me Posted August 2, 2015 Posted August 2, 2015 Most church members do not keep the sabbath holy. Most buy something or do something that may not be keeping the sabbath day holy. It is only normal for these days. I know that I don't keep it holy. I just do my thing.
why me Posted August 2, 2015 Posted August 2, 2015 Shouldn't we start then?Very difficult. I remember when stores were closed on sunday. And the reason for this was the idea of the sabbath and the puritan influence that I mentioned on a different thread about the canadian scouts. But now, stores are open and other things are more in vogue now on sunday. The christian spirit no longer guides the USA and so, it has become more difficult to keep the sabbath holy. Relativism and secularism are alive and well now as the free market commodifies sunday as any other day of the week.
Raingirl Posted August 2, 2015 Posted August 2, 2015 Very difficult. I remember when stores were closed on sunday. And the reason for this was the idea of the sabbath and the puritan influence that I mentioned on a different thread about the canadian scouts. But now, stores are open and other things are more in vogue now on sunday. The christian spirit no longer guides the USA and so, it has become more difficult to keep the sabbath holy. Relativism and secularism are alive and well now as the free market commodifies sunday as any other day of the week. So it's society's fault if someone doesn't keep the Sabbath? Are people no longer responsible for their own choices? I was an Orthodox Jew, so I am baffled when members of the church make statements such as "very difficult" in regards to keeping the Sabbath. You have no idea. It's really not difficult to follow the church's standards in keeping the Sabbath holy. Lots of people put far more time and effort into other things, such as their favorite hobbies. It's a matter of attitude more than anything else. I think most people "keep" the Sabbath exactly as they want to and should be honest about it and not try to blame the rest of the world for the choices they make. 4
Avatar4321 Posted August 3, 2015 Author Posted August 3, 2015 I'm not sure why we can't be a Sabbath keeping influence on society. Just because other stores aren't open doesn't mean we have to go to them. And it doesn't mean we can't start our own businesses that honor the Sabbath.I've been pondering this alot and it's something i want to do better.
MorningStar Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 My husband and I got in an argument when we were dating. He noticed all of the members going to Olive Garden on Sundays in the Provo area and said, "They shouldn't be open on Sundays!" I said, "Members should stop going on Sundays and then they would probably close on Sundays because it wouldn't be profitable." We went back and forth for a while. There was also a music store in town with a sign that said, "We're closed. Go to church." Keeping the Sabbath Day holy with kids is a little tricky for me, but we do manage to avoid shopping and stuff. It's just too tempting to stay on top of the laundry because it piles up fast! I try to make dinner simple so I'm not cleaning up a huge mess.
Avatar4321 Posted August 3, 2015 Author Posted August 3, 2015 Should we be on message boards on the Sabbath?
why me Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 (edited) So it's society's fault if someone doesn't keep the Sabbath? Are people no longer responsible for their own choices? I was an Orthodox Jew, so I am baffled when members of the church make statements such as "very difficult" in regards to keeping the Sabbath. You have no idea. It's really not difficult to follow the church's standards in keeping the Sabbath holy. Lots of people put far more time and effort into other things, such as their favorite hobbies. It's a matter of attitude more than anything else. I think most people "keep" the Sabbath exactly as they want to and should be honest about it and not try to blame the rest of the world for the choices they make.Society is a reflection of the system which govern's them. In this case it is the free market which demands that people enjoy life through consuming. So, in this way, people are to blame if they vote for such a capitalism that commodifies sunday into any other day. In the past, sunday was listed as a day of rest for most workers. Of course, bus drviers were working because not all people have cars etc. But in general shops were closed. But as the economy changed into a more consumption based and profit based economy, sunday became just another day. And I don't remember mormons protesting these changes in the economic system. Just the opposite. In europe, shops were also closed on sunday but now that has changed too. More and more stores were permitted to be open on sunday. First it was the food stores and then the regular stores. Again, because the christian influence was not longer applicable in a conumption based economic system. And again, mormons voted in the new change through their support for such an economic system. And in the US there has been controversy with stores attempting to open on Thanksgiving etc.because of the notion of profit before people. So, more and more service workers in the retail business can't even spend that holiday with their family. Are mormons protesting such an economic system? We are all connected when it comes to the sabbath and what it once was and what it is now. Although it is nice when mormons have lessons about the sabbath and speak the speak but seem to go with the flow with the economic changes in the system that they mainly vote for. Edited August 3, 2015 by why me
Guest Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 What do you do to keep it?More than I should and with the new program or making new the remembering to keeping it holy...it is time to start keeping that command. As new words have been said it is the commandment that will keep us from becoming "worldly". Good reason!
JAHS Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Hmmmmm. So far it sort of looks like I'm the only one who actully answered the question.
why me Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Hmmmmm. So far it sort of looks like I'm the only one who actully answered the question.I don't think that people took what you said very seriously. But they were nice sentiments but perhaps impossible to implement. Just the cell phone itself would put a dent in your words. Not to mention the demands of worklife etc. Since stores are open on sunday, there are church members who need to work on sundays. No work, no job. Of course, they can attempt to opt out or work every other sunday etc but if not successful, they must work after attending church etc. Such is the economic system that most lds seem to vote in favor of. Of course, if we go back in time, sunday was a day of rest for most workers. What caused the change in worklife?
Alan Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 I don't want to sound like some kind of clever clogs, but I would point out that we do not keep the Sabbath, nor should we. We keep the Lord's Day. The Sabbath (sunset Friday until sunset Saturday) is a Jewish code.
Hillel2 Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Actually 18 minutes prior to sundown to 42 min after sundown per rabbinic decree. :-)I am always a bit surprised that this seems to be a difficult issue for so many Christians. Jewish law and tradition are crystal clear...there is no discussion. When i've mentioned not being allowed to drive, cook or text many folks have asked me how it is even possible to live in such a fashion. And yet, i'm amazed that that would seem so onerous...it really does set the day off and, in practical terms, it's such a destressor. I understand the concern about legalism but, personally, i think it would be easier just to have a list of dos and donts so that one can focus and not worry about keeping/violating the sabbath. 1
stemelbow Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 A certain stream of rumor came to me yesterday in that General Authorities have decided one great area of concern (among 9), an issue they want to attack, is Sabbath observance. I was asked to teach on it in Elder's Quorum yesterday, even though we had a Sabbath Observance lesson a few weeks ago. It appears we need to be more strict than we are being and if we are, we can fix problems that we are dealing with. I have a hard time with this topic because it does feel so pharisaic--breaking the Sabbath was an area of concern for the Pharisees when it came to questioning/attacking Jesus, for instance. We often just live and let live on this topic in the Church (although I recognize there are tons who judge people on their Sabbath Day observance), I think, but I'm getting the impression we're being asked and this may get stressed going forward to observe the Sabbath in letter and spirit. I guess we'll see.
Storm Rider Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 When observed in Spirit we observe the law. The issue is more with honest search for the Spirit's guidance. When we take one day each week to focus on our Father in Heaven and his Son; the gospel; reflect on our need for forgiveness; how we can become more like our Savior; seeking a stronger presence of the Spirit in our lives; then keep the Sabbath day holy is a gift from God. We observe it because we love him and in search of holiness in our own lives. Observing little laws does not bring holiness; it brings observance of little laws. Holiness comes from have pure motivations for obedience to laws and being led by the Spirit. 1
Gray Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Go to church, spend the rest of the day with my family
Alan Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Should the Lord's Day be any different in terms of observance, than the Sabbath?
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