KevinG Posted February 19, 2015 Author Posted February 19, 2015 A little insensitive, and inaccurate as heck. Resurrected beings are all of the same race: the race of Heavenly Father. Neither white nor black nor any other. IMHO.Neither black nor white, but definitely "light". :-)
ksfisher Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 Hi. Look up Mikvah on Wikipedia. Jews have been using FULL ritual immersion for a long time to remove defilement. It has also been used for about the last two thousand years as one of the two ritual requirements for conversion to Judaism. John the Baptist was not an outlier in his practice by any means! If John was not an outlier then why was his baptism worthy of mention in the gospels? Why did he get the attention from the Jewish leaders?
KevinG Posted February 19, 2015 Author Posted February 19, 2015 If the font is draining it's much quieter with the doors closed if you are trying to maintain a reverent atmosphere.I was trying to give a talk on the Gift of the Holy Ghost at a youth baptism, when the drain behind me started into a loud sucking sound. It continued for several minutes and the congregation was desperately trying to keep from snickering. Finally one of the Deacons took his shoes off, waded in and dropped the drain plug back in. Good times. 3
KevinG Posted February 19, 2015 Author Posted February 19, 2015 I like this... "Is it false tradition or true tradition?" sub-topic. Please share those questions.
ksfisher Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 I was trying to give a talk on the Gift of the Holy Ghost at a youth baptism, when the drain behind me started into a loud sucking sound. It continued for several minutes and the congregation was desperately trying to keep from snickering. Finally one of the Deacons took his shoes off, waded in and dropped the drain plug back in. Good times. So some traditions, while they may not be based on church doctrine, have very practical reasons for existing. 3
Grudunza Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 I have to disagree on one point. Being a Trumpet player (the instrument of angels) I believe that Adolph Sax is a son of perdition. Ha, okay. It occurs to me that we can have a horn player blaring on top of our temples, but not in our chapels. 2
Rock_N_Roll Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 I don’t know if this falls under myth or false traditions… We had a lesson on tithing in GD not long ago. When a discussion on paying on Gross vs. Net came up, the GD teacher gave the old “I guess it depends on if you want blessings based on gross or net” response. I was tempted to ask if I would get more blessings if I paid 15% instead of 10%. Sounds like purchasing blessings to me. 3
KevinG Posted February 19, 2015 Author Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) I don’t know if this falls under myth or false traditions…We had a lesson on tithing in GD not long ago. When a discussion on paying on Gross vs. Net came up, the GD teacher gave the old “I guess it depends on if you want blessings based on gross or net” response. I was tempted to ask if I would get more blessings if I paid 15% instead of 10%. Sounds like purchasing blessings to me.I've done both depending on my ability and the tax codes. I used to do gross, and planned not tithe again on retirement other than interest. But then Caesar required so much and his tax laws got so convoluted, that I had to go to net, and plan to tithe on all retirement income. The Brethren with a capital B have instructed that we are to tithe on our increase, and that is between the Lord and us to define. Edited February 19, 2015 by KevinG
Rock_N_Roll Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 I've done both depending on my ability and the tax codes. I used to do net, and planned not tithe again on retirement other than interest. But then Caesar required so much and his tax laws got so convoluted, that I had to go to net, and plan to tithe on all retirement income. The Brethren with a capital B have instructed that we are to tithe on our increase, and that is between the Lord and us to define. Agreed.
Calm Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 Something that they did in my mission and I have no doubt all over the world as well is when a General Authority is coming to speak you have to be in your seats at least 30-45 minutes prior. So you just sit there for all that time, doing what I have no idea. The missionaries today say they still do that. I don't know if I understand why that is. I can see they want to all be there by the time the meeting starts but 45 minutes prior? bring a sandwhich or colouring book or somethingPossibly they think allowing missionaries to roam the halls will lead to lightmindness and loud laughter. (I assume they give a 45 lead in order to ensure they don't cut it to close for transportation, etc, but then they are stuck with the problem of what to do with those that actually get there early….) 1
Hillel2 Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 If John was not an outlier then why was his baptism worthy of mention in the gospels? Why did he get the attention from the Jewish leaders?
Hillel2 Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 Hi. Well, i'm not an expert on the Gospels but perhaps there were many things that aroused the attention of the Pharisees. Ritual purification at the time relied heavily on the Temple so maybe he was perceived as challenging that authority.The use of immersion as a purifacatory practice in Judaism is quite ancient...see Leviticus for all the interesting circumstances necessitating it.... I should also have mentioned that the Qumran settlement had an elaborate system of mikva'ot..they may have seen themselves and their practices as True Judaism viv-a-vis the "corrupted" priesthood in Jerusalem.
cinepro Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) Does anyone know where this notion started, or when the most recent iteration of it in Church literature was? This New Era article seems to be the most recent statement on the issue. It is a fairly balanced and moderate view on the subject: How Should I Feel About Playing Cards? While it is best to avoid the use of “playing cards,” my personal experiences indicate that our family has enjoyed many benefits from playing games with cards. At a time when amusements are generally enjoyed alone, for example TV viewing and video game playing, we in our family like to play card games together. It has been both unifying and has provided the arena for much give and take. All in all, playing card games has given us many delightful moments. And it won't be a surprise to anyone to know where the most forceful denunciation came from... Card Playing See APOSTASY, GAMBLING, RECREATION. President Joseph F. Smith has stated the position of the Church with reference to card playing in these words: "Card playing is an excessive pleasure; it is intoxicating and, therefore, in the nature of a vice. It is generally the companion of the cigaret and the wine glass, and the latter lead to the poolroom and the gambling hall. . . . Few indulge frequently in card playing in whose lives it does not become a ruling passion. ... A deck of cards in the hands of a faithful servant of God is a satire upon religion. . . . Those who thus indulge are not fit to administer in sacred ordinances. . . . The bishops are charged with the responsibility for the evil, and it is their duty to see that it is abolished. . . . No man who is addicted to card playing should be called to act as a ward teacher; such men cannot be consistent advocates of that which they do not themselves practice. "The card table has been the scene of too many quarrels, the birthplace of too many hatreds, the occasion of too many murders to admit one word of justification for the lying, cheating spirit which it too often engenders in the hearts of its devotees. . . . "Card playing is a game of chance, and because it is a game of chance it has its tricks. It encourages tricks; its devotees measure their success at the table by their ability through devious and dark ways to win. It creates a spirit of cunning and devises hidden and secret means, and cheating at cards is almost synonymous with playing at cards." (Gospel Doctrine, 5th ed., pp. 328-332.) Members of the Church should not belong to bridge or other type of card clubs, and they should neither play cards nor have them in their homes. By cards is meant, of course, the spotted face cards used by gamblers. To the extent that church members play cards they are out of harmony with their inspired leaders. Innocent non-gambling games played with other types of cards, except for the waste of time in many instances, are not objectionable. Mormon Doctrine (Second Edition), Bruce R. McConkie We played a lot of card games on my mission such as Rook or Phase 10 (and a Rook deck can easily stand in for a regular deck). The statement in the second-to-last paragraph above rang more true after we had one Elder who, among his other interesting pronouncements, explained to us that he always cheated at cards because that was just "part of the game." We were all glad we weren't playing for money. Edited February 19, 2015 by cinepro 1
KevinG Posted February 19, 2015 Author Posted February 19, 2015 Go Fish is to playing with face cards as Swiss Miss is to hot drinks. 2
DBMormon Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) Also since there are quotes that speak of tithing being on "surplus" income and since God never qualified "increase" and we simply understand it to mean income and since God said no one is to say more beyond his definition and each is to make their own call, I see "surplus" as a viable definition along with Net and Gross. Here is another LDS thinking this through as well Edited February 19, 2015 by DBMormon
The Nehor Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 We played Hearts with Prophet cards in my mission. Do those still count as face cards? 2
JLHPROF Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 We played Hearts with Prophet cards in my mission. Do those still count as face cards? Depends on which were the Kings, the Queens, the Jacks, and the Aces...
The Nehor Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 Depends on which were the Kings, the Queens, the Jacks, and the Aces... Benson, Kimball, Lee, and Joseph Smith respectively.
cinepro Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 Benson, Kimball, Lee, and Joseph Smith respectively. I'm sure President Kimball loved being the queen.
The Nehor Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 I'm sure President Kimball loved being the queen.Would he prefer the queen or Yoda status?
Stargazer Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 1. Closing curtains to baptismal font as soon as it is completed. I think this is more for keeping the little kiddies from falling in afterwards as they run around than anything else.2. Using testimony meeting as a time to update ward on life situation, and confess sins and family failings. (This one is more of a pet peeve). This is among my pet peeves, too.3. I'll list this as a tradition since it is done so often. "I would be ungrateful if I didn't stand and bear my testimony." I'd be OK with this if they didn't also give a ten minute travelogue in the same "testimony."Mine might be more complaints though. 2
Stargazer Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 I don’t know if this falls under myth or false traditions… We had a lesson on tithing in GD not long ago. When a discussion on paying on Gross vs. Net came up, the GD teacher gave the old “I guess it depends on if you want blessings based on gross or net” response. I was tempted to ask if I would get more blessings if I paid 15% instead of 10%. Sounds like purchasing blessings to me. Someone once told me that the RLDS had two categories of donors, those who paid tithing, and those who paid "fifing", the latter being those who paid 20%. Don't know if this is true or not. Anyway, I do not tithe on either federal income tax or social security tax. The first because I consider it a cost of doing business -- and thus it is not "increase". The second because I expect to eventually receive all my SocSec contributions back again when I retire, and since I will receive more than I ever put in (assuming I live long enough), and I would find it a little difficult to pinpoint when that threshold was reached, I intend to tithe my social security retirement from the moment I start receiving it.
Stargazer Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 If John was not an outlier then why was his baptism worthy of mention in the gospels? Why did he get the attention from the Jewish leaders? If John had invented (or was seen to have invented) baptism as a new ordinance, the Pharisees who came to him (and there were some) for baptism would have condemned him for introducing false worship. There were many Jews at the time who came out to John as a way of reaffirming their commitment to Judaism and the Law of Moses, and this was because it was a recognized ordinance, even if not frequently performed. 1
Duncan Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 I would love to know why the Church even has a policy on cremation. It's is SO ridiculous! Do we not believe that everyone will be resurrected? Why is that even mentioned in the Handbook? a dead body is a dead body regardless of how it got like that"The Church does not normally encourage cremation. The family of the deceased must decide whether the body should be cremated, taking into account any laws governing burial or cremation. In some countries, the law requires cremation."
Calm Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 I think it comes from traditions of not defacing the dead and burying it as the most respectful. I believe that comes from judeochristian traditions, but I could be wrong. It seems like it is the nonchristian faiths that have used cremation to dispose of the body, ones that don't believe in a physical ressurection.
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