Jesus'S Wife: Referred To In Coptic Papyrus Fragment

[Sis W.]

Polygamy was practiced then----anyway Herod the Great had several wives at the same time---I read that in "Josephus for Dummies"

[volgadon]

In skimming over information pertaining to Jesus being a polygamist, sometihing I read startled me when it said that the reason for Jesus' crucifiction was because of his polygamy! I've NEVER heard anything like that before and it reminded of someone else who was murdered possibly because of living polygamy (JSJR). Anyone hear of this before?

Going by memory, I think this was Jedediah Grant reading Celsus.

[Calm]

IOW, I will no longer be oppressed by the fascism of religion and American "Democracy".

Have you lived in any other country? If so, what ones and for how long? Just curious as to what you've compared the US to.

[BCSpace]

True is subjective.

No, truth is the same no matter what the paradigm.

It is illogical and unnecessary to propose a finality on authoritative institutions.

It is the only rational way to look at God. You want a God that is not a liar or a respector of persons? Then there can only be one true religion/philosphy/church organization.

Looking at Jesus, Matthew and Paul it is important to recognize that they each fundamentally represented different forms of Christianity.

Meaningless. They all belong to the same Church. Different paradigms perhaps, same truth.

[Storm Rider]

True is subjective. It is illogical and unnecessary to propose a finality on authoritative institutions. Looking at Jesus, Matthew and Paul it is important to recognize that they each fundamentally represented different forms of Christianity.

The one thing that is clear to me; if it is subjective, know that it has nothing to do with truth. Truth is absolute for all or it is not truth. God lives is an absolute truth. It does not matter whether you or I believe in him; he exists, he lives regardless of our belief or faith.

[Saints Alive]

I don't think this scrap proves anything. It is intriguing and us LDS are in a unique position that Jesus marital status has absolutely effect on our doctrine. If he was married, that would have some interesting implications for the Catholic church. I wonder what the reaction would be if it were proven that Jesus had multiple wives? I wonder if as many would leave christianity as claim they would leave mormonism if polygamy were brought back.

[ERayR]

The shift I have made was inevitable. To an extent I fought kicking and screaming to hold onto what is now a defunct religious identity. I am of the opinion that if I continued on that path of faith and seeking rebaptism, I would be dishonest not only to others I interact with but more importantly to myself. It would be disingenuous.

I will no longer be governed by religious bureaucracy. I can't stomach losing liberty to theocracy or the political agendas of two party system/hoax.

The path of destruction I forsee is when people of all walks of life bow down to the pious and anti-liberty faction that is the oligarchy and its birth child corporatism.

IOW, I will no longer be oppressed by the fascism of religion and American "Democracy".

Have you thought of emigrating to say maybe Iran and compare it with the "lousy" system we have here?

[Ron Beron]

Just to be clear, Gnosticism is a condemned heresy, so the fact that it temporally coincides with the Nicean Council doesn't mean it had anything to do with the Nicean Council.

Even so both the Gnostics and the Nicean council upheld the concept of homoousias. While condemned it was only declared such by what was to become the Catholic Church and not by many who followed it, including Augustine.

[Damien the Leper]

Have you lived in any other country? If so, what ones and for how long? Just curious as to what you've compared the US to.

Germany

Saudi Arabia

The Ukraine

South Africa

People's Republic of China

How about you?

[Damien the Leper]

No, truth is the same no matter what the paradigm.

So you claim.

It is the only rational way to look at God. You want a God that is not a liar or a respector of persons? Then there can only be one true religion/philosphy/church organization.

It is not the only rational way to look at God. I don't want or need a god at all.

Meaningless. They all belong to the same Church. Different paradigms perhaps, same truth.

You overstate your case. If you assume that Jesus, Paul and Matthew despite differences in theology were essentially in harmony then you have missed the mark by a long shot.

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

Let's make sure we don't revisit the wedding at Cana. It would only diminish any possible argument.

I am talking about secret meetings and the fact Mary and the garden. This is a first for me, being told that arguments I have not made might dimiinish a debate...not sure how any comment that might the reason for believing might diminish a debate. There are many reasons to believe Christ had a relationship with Mary that was different than others. Christ came to fulfill "all righteousness ! Which would include that "God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven"...God's first institution which he established; marriage. Also the requirement that Rabbi's be married. It is odd that many who teach that Christ is fully man (deny that he be so) and fully God, who calls for marriage will not even allow for the idea, that he was both. The marriage celebration, gives no clues as to whom's marriage it was...other than Mary the mother of Jesus involment.

[Damien the Leper]

The one thing that is clear to me; if it is subjective, know that it has nothing to do with truth. Truth is absolute for all or it is not truth. God lives is an absolute truth. It does not matter whether you or I believe in him; he exists, he lives regardless of our belief or faith.

The problem with your reasoning is 1) you presume the same absolutist theology that John Calvin proposed, 2) you lean on tradition to substantiate a mindset. Your last sentence is worthless because you do not have the sufficient evidence to substantiate such a claim.

[Damien the Leper]

Have you thought of emigrating to say maybe Iran and compare it with the "lousy" system we have here?

Oh please...really?

[Damien the Leper]

I am talking about secret meetings and the fact Mary and the garden. This is a first for me, being told that arguments I have not made might dimiinish a debate...not sure how any comment that might the reason for believing might diminish a debate. There are many reasons to believe Christ had a relationship with Mary that was different than others. Christ came to fulfill "all righteousness ! Which would include that "God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven"...God's first institution which he established; marriage. Also the requirement that Rabbi's be married. It is odd that many who teach that Christ is fully man (deny that he be so) and fully God, who calls for marriage will not even allow for the idea, that he was both. The marriage celebration, gives no clues as to whom's marriage it was...other than Mary the mother of Jesus involment.

I was stopping a flawed argument before someone decided to use it. I disagree that marriage is the first institution of God. I would argue that life and obedience came first.

Again, there is no substantial evidence to maintain the notion that God, Himself, is married or that Jesus was-is.

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

I was stopping a flawed argument before someone decided to use it. I disagree that marriage is the first institution of God. I would argue that life and obedience came first.

Again, there is no substantial evidence to maintain the notion that God, Himself, is married or that Jesus was-is.

We're this the case...maybe so, Marraige was a close second and children on the heals. Family first...no matter how you read it. Send me a PM and I will tell you more.

[Saints Alive]

Again, there is no substantial evidence to maintain the notion that God, Himself, is married or that Jesus was-is.

What kind of evidence would you like? I doubt there are any wedding photos and I wasn't invited to the reception.

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

Again, there is no substantial evidence to maintain the notion that God, Himself, is married or that Jesus was-is.

Not so...done for the day in forums. Need to get ready for surgery tommrow.

[Damien the Leper]

What kind of evidence would you like? I doubt there are any wedding photos and I wasn't invited to the reception.

Did I ask for evidence? I simply stated that there isn't sufficient evidence to support the theory.

[Damien the Leper]

Not so...done for the day in forums. Need to get ready for surgery tommrow.

Theories, assumptions, scripture interpretations, "modern revelation", etc. are not valid or logical arguments in favor of God being married.

[thesometimesaint]

So God the Father had a son out of wedlock?

[Damien the Leper]

So God the Father had a son out of wedlock?

Really? Immaculate conception took place without the silly and heretical theory that God had sex with Mary and got her prego. God is supposed to be an infinite and omniscient being. It is illogical to assume that he is bound by the laws of human reproduction.

[ERayR]

Theories, assumptions, scripture interpretations, "modern revelation", etc. are not valid or logical arguments in favor of God being married.

So are you waiting for a certified copy of the marriage license?

[ERayR]

Really? Immaculate conception took place without the silly and heretical theory that God had sex with Mary and got her prego. God is supposed to be an infinite and omniscient being. It is illogical to assume that he is bound by the laws of human reproduction.

Mary Probably wasn't to impressed with those ultra human methods when she was 8 1/2 months pregnant. So which SciFi explanation do you like best?

Edited September 20, 2012 by ERayR

[Ahab]

Really? Immaculate conception took place without the silly and heretical theory that God had sex with Mary and got her prego. God is supposed to be an infinite and omniscient being. It is illogical to assume that he is bound by the laws of human reproduction.

The thing is, Mary was "human", so one of her eggs had to be fertilized by a male otherwise she would not have become pregnant.

That's how it works for our species, ya know. Some male has to somehow fertilize the egg of a female with a part of himself, usually referred to as sperm.

Or maybe you think our Father just put a fully formed baby embryo in her womb and Mary just carried that baby Jesus in her womb until he was ready for her to give birth to him, which would mean Mary wasn't really the human Mother of Jesus, which would mean Jesus didn't get the "human" part of himself from her, which would mean there would have needed to be some other human for Jesus to get the "human" part of himself.

So how would he have become 100% human while also being 100% divine, do ya think?

If Mary was his Mother, and God our Father was his Father, then our Father had to somehow fertilize one of her eggs with his own sperm so Mary could get pregnant just as all other human females get pregnant.

Edited September 20, 2012 by Ahab

[Calm]

Germany

Saudi Arabia

The Ukraine

South Africa

People's Republic of China

How about you?

Canada and Russia