Family History Temple Work for the Savior

[nuclearfuels]

Some sources suggest the Savior was married [1] with some suggesting He was polygamous,[1] with the reception being held at Cana where He turned water into wine.[2]

1. If He was married, is it likely He would have been married in Solomon’s Temple?
2. If He and His fiancée would have been allowed into the Temple by the Jews, wouldn’t His marriage ordinance have been completed via the Levitical priesthood not the Melchizedek priesthood and not with the key of the sealing power?

We know the Savior was baptized (we know where, when and by whom).

We have theories if not doctrine suggesting the Mount of Transfiguration being a place where the Savior received some if not all of the Temple ordinances.[3]

I’m not sure He would have been married at that location though I understand why that wouldn’t have been written about.

3. Therefore, should we not serve as proxy for a sealing ordinance in a current Temple by someone who holds the Melchizedek priesthood and the key of the sealing power, for the Savior’s possible wife? And children?

4. If the sources cited are insufficient, could we not serve as proxy in the Temple “not for the weeds”[4] but to show devotion – even if the ordinance is not needed? Being a savior on Mount Zion [see Obadiah 1:21] for THE Savior, as it were. It’s not as though we believe every person for whom we do proxy ordinances immediately accepts of that work. We know some will reject the work - which to me suggests we do at least occasionally attend the Temple "not for the weeds."

Note: Friends of mine have told me this suggestion is both heretical (which I don't mind) and blasphemous (which I'd like to avoid, if that is actually what this is).

 

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1.       [1] The Journal of Discourses (not considered doctrine of the Church) (a collection of sermons): Volume 4, page 259, mentions Jesus being married;

2.       The Apocryphon of John (a Gnostic text): This text mentions Jesus' relationship with Mary Magdalene and implies a possible intimate connection;

3.       The Pistis Sophia (a Gnostic text): This text also mentions Jesus' close relationship with Mary Magdalene.

4.       The Gospel of Jesus' Wife (a fragmentary papyrus): This 2012 discovery sparked debate about Jesus' possible marriage, but its authenticity is disputed.

5.       "Jesus and the Lost Goddess" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy: This book explores the idea of Jesus and Mary Magdalene as a divine couple.

6.       "The Jesus Mysteries" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy: Another book by the same authors, examining the possibility of Jesus being married.

7.       "The Sacred Marriage" by Jeffrey F. Toney: This book explores the concept of sacred marriage in ancient cultures and its possible connection to Jesus.

8.       The Gospel of Philip (a Gnostic text): This text mentions Jesus' relationship with Mary Magdalene, describing her as his "companion" and "partner".

9.       The Gospel of Mary (a Gnostic text): This text also mentions Jesus' close relationship with Mary Magdalene, implying a possible intimate connection.

10.    The Holy Blood, Holy Grail (a book by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, and Henry Lincoln): This book proposes a theory that Jesus and Mary Magdalene had a child together and that their descendants became the Merovingian dynasty of France

11.  The Journal of Discourses: Volume 11, page 269, mentions Jesus having multiple wives

12. "Jesus and the Lost Goddess" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy: This book explores the idea of Jesus and Mary Magdalene as a divine couple and suggests polygamy.

 

 

1.       [2] The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus Christ by Levi Dowling (1908): This book claims Jesus' marriage to Mary Magdalene and suggests that the wedding at Cana was His own.

2.       The Gospel of Philip (a Gnostic text): This text mentions Jesus' relationship with Mary Magdalene and implies a possible intimate connection, but does not explicitly state that the wedding at Cana was His own.

3.       The Gospel of Mary (a Gnostic text): Similar to The Gospel of Philip, this text mentions Jesus' close relationship with Mary Magdalene but does not explicitly state that the wedding at Cana was His own.

4.       "Jesus and the Lost Goddess" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy (2001): This book explores the idea of Jesus and Mary Magdalene as a divine couple and suggests that the wedding at Cana might have been their own.

5.       "The Jesus Mysteries" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy (1999): Another book by the same authors, examining the possibility of Jesus being married and the wedding at Cana being His own.

 

1.       [3] Doctrine and Covenants 138:11-13: This section describes a vision of the afterlife, where Jesus appears and teaches about the "ordinances of the house of the Lord." Some interpret this as a reference to the Endowment ordinance.

2.       The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, p. 535: The former President suggests that Jesus may have received "all the ordinances of the temple" during His transfiguration.

3.       The Life and Teachings of Jesus and His Apostles, p. 434: This manual states that Jesus "received the fulness of the Father" during the transfiguration, which some interpret as including Temple ordinances like the Endowment.

4.       The Guide to the Scriptures, "Transfiguration": This online resource mentions that Jesus "received the fulness of the Father" and that this experience "may have included Temple ordinances."

 

[4] See Elder Henry B. Eyring, “Waiting upon the Lord,” Brigham Young University 1990–91 Devotional and Fireside Speeches, 22. https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/henry-b-eyring/waiting-upon-lord/  

[Calm]

22 minutes ago, nuclearfuels said:

If He was married, is it likely He would have been married in Solomon’s Temple?

Not likely if you mean if he was married according to custom.  The wedding would take place at the groom’s house iirc.  Not sure if there was any ceremony besides all day betrothal celebration at the bride’s house and then later the procession of the bride from her home to her new home with her husband’s family, all day feast, and consummation.

Edited September 20, 2024 by Calm

[webbles]

You can find various entries for Christ in familysearch.  One example is https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/about/GYV8-XT7.  (it might be deleted at some point as they do that)  The name and life history aren't in English but it is about Him.  If you look in the history of that entry, you'll find a marriage.  So I suspect sealings have been attempted.

But I doubt Christ needs any ordinance work as He has already been resurrected and exalted.  He is past the point of needing proxy work.

[Dario_M]

With the savior you mean Jesus Christ right? I don't think he was married at all. Nowhere ...not in the book of mormon not in the bible have i read anything about Jesus getting married. Not a thing. I have literally read the whole book of Mormon (in 1 month) and there i just saw nothing about Jesus getting married let alone being a polygamous. His life was just to short for him to get married i geuss. 

Edited September 20, 2024 by Dario_M

[Dario_M]

1 hour ago, webbles said:

But I doubt Christ needs any ordinance work as He has already been resurrected and exalted.  He is past the point of needing proxy work.

And this. 

Edited September 20, 2024 by Dario_M

[teddyaware]

9 hours ago, nuclearfuels said:

Some sources suggest the Savior was married [1] with some suggesting He was polygamous,[1] with the reception being held at Cana where He turned water into wine.[2]

1. If He was married, is it likely He would have been married in Solomon’s Temple?
2. If He and His fiancée would have been allowed into the Temple by the Jews, wouldn’t His marriage ordinance have been completed via the Levitical priesthood not the Melchizedek priesthood and not with the key of the sealing power?

We know the Savior was baptized (we know where, when and by whom).

We have theories if not doctrine suggesting the Mount of Transfiguration being a place where the Savior received some if not all of the Temple ordinances.[3]

I’m not sure He would have been married at that location though I understand why that wouldn’t have been written about.

3. Therefore, should we not serve as proxy for a sealing ordinance in a current Temple by someone who holds the Melchizedek priesthood and the key of the sealing power, for the Savior’s possible wife? And children?

4. If the sources cited are insufficient, could we not serve as proxy in the Temple “not for the weeds”[4] but to show devotion – even if the ordinance is not needed? Being a savior on Mount Zion [see Obadiah 1:21] for THE Savior, as it were. It’s not as though we believe every person for whom we do proxy ordinances immediately accepts of that work. We know some will reject the work - which to me suggests we do at least occasionally attend the Temple "not for the weeds."

Note: Friends of mine have told me this suggestion is both heretical (which I don't mind) and blasphemous (which I'd like to avoid, if that is actually what this is).

 

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1.       [1] The Journal of Discourses (not considered doctrine of the Church) (a collection of sermons): Volume 4, page 259, mentions Jesus being married;

2.       The Apocryphon of John (a Gnostic text): This text mentions Jesus' relationship with Mary Magdalene and implies a possible intimate connection;

3.       The Pistis Sophia (a Gnostic text): This text also mentions Jesus' close relationship with Mary Magdalene.

4.       The Gospel of Jesus' Wife (a fragmentary papyrus): This 2012 discovery sparked debate about Jesus' possible marriage, but its authenticity is disputed.

5.       "Jesus and the Lost Goddess" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy: This book explores the idea of Jesus and Mary Magdalene as a divine couple.

6.       "The Jesus Mysteries" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy: Another book by the same authors, examining the possibility of Jesus being married.

7.       "The Sacred Marriage" by Jeffrey F. Toney: This book explores the concept of sacred marriage in ancient cultures and its possible connection to Jesus.

8.       The Gospel of Philip (a Gnostic text): This text mentions Jesus' relationship with Mary Magdalene, describing her as his "companion" and "partner".

9.       The Gospel of Mary (a Gnostic text): This text also mentions Jesus' close relationship with Mary Magdalene, implying a possible intimate connection.

10.    The Holy Blood, Holy Grail (a book by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, and Henry Lincoln): This book proposes a theory that Jesus and Mary Magdalene had a child together and that their descendants became the Merovingian dynasty of France

11.  The Journal of Discourses: Volume 11, page 269, mentions Jesus having multiple wives

12. "Jesus and the Lost Goddess" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy: This book explores the idea of Jesus and Mary Magdalene as a divine couple and suggests polygamy.

 

 

1.       [2] The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus Christ by Levi Dowling (1908): This book claims Jesus' marriage to Mary Magdalene and suggests that the wedding at Cana was His own.

2.       The Gospel of Philip (a Gnostic text): This text mentions Jesus' relationship with Mary Magdalene and implies a possible intimate connection, but does not explicitly state that the wedding at Cana was His own.

3.       The Gospel of Mary (a Gnostic text): Similar to The Gospel of Philip, this text mentions Jesus' close relationship with Mary Magdalene but does not explicitly state that the wedding at Cana was His own.

4.       "Jesus and the Lost Goddess" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy (2001): This book explores the idea of Jesus and Mary Magdalene as a divine couple and suggests that the wedding at Cana might have been their own.

5.       "The Jesus Mysteries" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy (1999): Another book by the same authors, examining the possibility of Jesus being married and the wedding at Cana being His own.

 

1.       [3] Doctrine and Covenants 138:11-13: This section describes a vision of the afterlife, where Jesus appears and teaches about the "ordinances of the house of the Lord." Some interpret this as a reference to the Endowment ordinance.

2.       The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, p. 535: The former President suggests that Jesus may have received "all the ordinances of the temple" during His transfiguration.

3.       The Life and Teachings of Jesus and His Apostles, p. 434: This manual states that Jesus "received the fulness of the Father" during the transfiguration, which some interpret as including Temple ordinances like the Endowment.

4.       The Guide to the Scriptures, "Transfiguration": This online resource mentions that Jesus "received the fulness of the Father" and that this experience "may have included Temple ordinances."

 

[4] See Elder Henry B. Eyring, “Waiting upon the Lord,” Brigham Young University 1990–91 Devotional and Fireside Speeches, 22. https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/henry-b-eyring/waiting-upon-lord/  

For those who obtain exaltation, all the saving ordinances of the gospel must be received while in the flesh, or after death by proxy prior to the resurrection. Since the Savior has already received his glorious resurrection with a  fullness of celestial glory, all the ordinances required in order for him to receive the fullness of eternal life had to have been received prior to his resurrection. Hence it’s most logical and reasonable to presume that he received all the ordinances of the gospel required for exaltation prior to his resurrection.

It’s difficult to imagine why the Savior would be able to obtain the fullness of celestial glory without first having to keep his own laws, laws that he has most solemnly decreed are essential in order to obtain the fullness of celestial glory. I personally believe the reason why Mary was the first mortal human to have the honor of seeing the risen Lord is because she was (and is) the Lord’s beloved wife.

19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths… (Doctrine and Covenants 132)

Again, why would the Savior be exempt from having to honor and fulfill his own immutable laws?

Edited September 20, 2024 by teddyaware

[Stargazer]

8 hours ago, nuclearfuels said:

Some sources suggest the Savior was married [1] with some suggesting He was polygamous,[1] with the reception being held at Cana where He turned water into wine.[2]

1. If He was married, is it likely He would have been married in Solomon’s Temple?
2. If He and His fiancée would have been allowed into the Temple by the Jews, wouldn’t His marriage ordinance have been completed via the Levitical priesthood not the Melchizedek priesthood and not with the key of the sealing power?

We know the Savior was baptized (we know where, when and by whom).

We have theories if not doctrine suggesting the Mount of Transfiguration being a place where the Savior received some if not all of the Temple ordinances.[3]

I’m not sure He would have been married at that location though I understand why that wouldn’t have been written about.

3. Therefore, should we not serve as proxy for a sealing ordinance in a current Temple by someone who holds the Melchizedek priesthood and the key of the sealing power, for the Savior’s possible wife? And children?

4. If the sources cited are insufficient, could we not serve as proxy in the Temple “not for the weeds”[4] but to show devotion – even if the ordinance is not needed? Being a savior on Mount Zion [see Obadiah 1:21] for THE Savior, as it were. It’s not as though we believe every person for whom we do proxy ordinances immediately accepts of that work. We know some will reject the work - which to me suggests we do at least occasionally attend the Temple "not for the weeds."

Note: Friends of mine have told me this suggestion is both heretical (which I don't mind) and blasphemous (which I'd like to avoid, if that is actually what this is).

 

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1.       [1] The Journal of Discourses (not considered doctrine of the Church) (a collection of sermons): Volume 4, page 259, mentions Jesus being married;

2.       The Apocryphon of John (a Gnostic text): This text mentions Jesus' relationship with Mary Magdalene and implies a possible intimate connection;

3.       The Pistis Sophia (a Gnostic text): This text also mentions Jesus' close relationship with Mary Magdalene.

4.       The Gospel of Jesus' Wife (a fragmentary papyrus): This 2012 discovery sparked debate about Jesus' possible marriage, but its authenticity is disputed.

5.       "Jesus and the Lost Goddess" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy: This book explores the idea of Jesus and Mary Magdalene as a divine couple.

6.       "The Jesus Mysteries" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy: Another book by the same authors, examining the possibility of Jesus being married.

7.       "The Sacred Marriage" by Jeffrey F. Toney: This book explores the concept of sacred marriage in ancient cultures and its possible connection to Jesus.

8.       The Gospel of Philip (a Gnostic text): This text mentions Jesus' relationship with Mary Magdalene, describing her as his "companion" and "partner".

9.       The Gospel of Mary (a Gnostic text): This text also mentions Jesus' close relationship with Mary Magdalene, implying a possible intimate connection.

10.    The Holy Blood, Holy Grail (a book by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, and Henry Lincoln): This book proposes a theory that Jesus and Mary Magdalene had a child together and that their descendants became the Merovingian dynasty of France

11.  The Journal of Discourses: Volume 11, page 269, mentions Jesus having multiple wives

12. "Jesus and the Lost Goddess" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy: This book explores the idea of Jesus and Mary Magdalene as a divine couple and suggests polygamy.

 

 

1.       [2] The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus Christ by Levi Dowling (1908): This book claims Jesus' marriage to Mary Magdalene and suggests that the wedding at Cana was His own.

2.       The Gospel of Philip (a Gnostic text): This text mentions Jesus' relationship with Mary Magdalene and implies a possible intimate connection, but does not explicitly state that the wedding at Cana was His own.

3.       The Gospel of Mary (a Gnostic text): Similar to The Gospel of Philip, this text mentions Jesus' close relationship with Mary Magdalene but does not explicitly state that the wedding at Cana was His own.

4.       "Jesus and the Lost Goddess" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy (2001): This book explores the idea of Jesus and Mary Magdalene as a divine couple and suggests that the wedding at Cana might have been their own.

5.       "The Jesus Mysteries" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy (1999): Another book by the same authors, examining the possibility of Jesus being married and the wedding at Cana being His own.

 

1.       [3] Doctrine and Covenants 138:11-13: This section describes a vision of the afterlife, where Jesus appears and teaches about the "ordinances of the house of the Lord." Some interpret this as a reference to the Endowment ordinance.

2.       The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, p. 535: The former President suggests that Jesus may have received "all the ordinances of the temple" during His transfiguration.

3.       The Life and Teachings of Jesus and His Apostles, p. 434: This manual states that Jesus "received the fulness of the Father" during the transfiguration, which some interpret as including Temple ordinances like the Endowment.

4.       The Guide to the Scriptures, "Transfiguration": This online resource mentions that Jesus "received the fulness of the Father" and that this experience "may have included Temple ordinances."

 

[4] See Elder Henry B. Eyring, “Waiting upon the Lord,” Brigham Young University 1990–91 Devotional and Fireside Speeches, 22. https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/henry-b-eyring/waiting-upon-lord/  

We know so little about his pre-ministry life, and only a little more about his ministry life, so any speculation about these kinds of details is completely without merit. Jesus Christ's exaltation is certain. Who was his wife or wives? We know nothing about any of it. WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW.  I feel inclined to say that the matter should just be left alone. But of course some people just like poking hibernating bears.

Jesus Christ is NOT like any of us. While in mortality, he was already immortal. He could not die unless he willed it. While in mortality, he remained sinless, despite temptation that none of us would have been able to withstand. He was EXCEPTIONAL in all senses of the word. He is the ATONER. He is the LAWGIVER, which makes him OUTSIDE the law -- ALL OF THEM. Any insistence that his post-mortality course resemble ours is completely stupid.

[nuclearfuels]

2 hours ago, Stargazer said:

just like poking hibernating bears

Bruh - that's me. 100%

[nuclearfuels]

5 hours ago, Stargazer said:

Jesus Christ's exaltation is certain.

I'm sure you are correct. Just curious as to who the Sealer was at his wedding(s)

[nuclearfuels]

8 hours ago, teddyaware said:

I personally believe the reason why Mary was the first mortal human to have the honor of seeing the risen Lord is because she was (and is) the Lord’s beloved wife

Agreed, 100%
Just curious - who was the Sealer at His wedding? Moses, Elias, Elijah I suppose are candidates if it occurred at the Mt of Transfiguration 

[JVW]

Jesus is God, He certainly could have sealed Himself or the Holy Ghost could have done it like how Adam was baptized alone, or the Father could have done it. No need to have someone who isn't God be the sealer.

[teddyaware]

17 minutes ago, JVW said:

Jesus is God, He certainly could have sealed Himself or the Holy Ghost could have done it like how Adam was baptized alone, or the Father could have done it. No need to have someone who isn't God be the sealer.

A physical body if needed in order to perform the gospel ordinances.

[teddyaware]

24 minutes ago, nuclearfuels said:

Agreed, 100%
Just curious - who was the Sealer at His wedding? Moses, Elias, Elijah I suppose are candidates if it occurred at the Mt of Transfiguration 

Elijah is the most likely candidate because he’s the prophet who’s most closely associated with the priesthood sealing power that binds in heaven those who are bound on earth.

[MiserereNobis]

15 hours ago, nuclearfuels said:

Some sources suggest the Savior was married [1] with some suggesting He was polygamous,[1] with the reception being held at Cana where He turned water into wine.[2]

1. If He was married, is it likely He would have been married in Solomon’s Temple?
2. If He and His fiancée would have been allowed into the Temple by the Jews, wouldn’t His marriage ordinance have been completed via the Levitical priesthood not the Melchizedek priesthood and not with the key of the sealing power?

We know the Savior was baptized (we know where, when and by whom).

We have theories if not doctrine suggesting the Mount of Transfiguration being a place where the Savior received some if not all of the Temple ordinances.[3]

I’m not sure He would have been married at that location though I understand why that wouldn’t have been written about.

3. Therefore, should we not serve as proxy for a sealing ordinance in a current Temple by someone who holds the Melchizedek priesthood and the key of the sealing power, for the Savior’s possible wife? And children?

4. If the sources cited are insufficient, could we not serve as proxy in the Temple “not for the weeds”[4] but to show devotion – even if the ordinance is not needed? Being a savior on Mount Zion [see Obadiah 1:21] for THE Savior, as it were. It’s not as though we believe every person for whom we do proxy ordinances immediately accepts of that work. We know some will reject the work - which to me suggests we do at least occasionally attend the Temple "not for the weeds."

Note: Friends of mine have told me this suggestion is both heretical (which I don't mind) and blasphemous (which I'd like to avoid, if that is actually what this is).

 

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1.       [1] The Journal of Discourses (not considered doctrine of the Church) (a collection of sermons): Volume 4, page 259, mentions Jesus being married;

2.       The Apocryphon of John (a Gnostic text): This text mentions Jesus' relationship with Mary Magdalene and implies a possible intimate connection;

3.       The Pistis Sophia (a Gnostic text): This text also mentions Jesus' close relationship with Mary Magdalene.

4.       The Gospel of Jesus' Wife (a fragmentary papyrus): This 2012 discovery sparked debate about Jesus' possible marriage, but its authenticity is disputed.

5.       "Jesus and the Lost Goddess" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy: This book explores the idea of Jesus and Mary Magdalene as a divine couple.

6.       "The Jesus Mysteries" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy: Another book by the same authors, examining the possibility of Jesus being married.

7.       "The Sacred Marriage" by Jeffrey F. Toney: This book explores the concept of sacred marriage in ancient cultures and its possible connection to Jesus.

8.       The Gospel of Philip (a Gnostic text): This text mentions Jesus' relationship with Mary Magdalene, describing her as his "companion" and "partner".

9.       The Gospel of Mary (a Gnostic text): This text also mentions Jesus' close relationship with Mary Magdalene, implying a possible intimate connection.

10.    The Holy Blood, Holy Grail (a book by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, and Henry Lincoln): This book proposes a theory that Jesus and Mary Magdalene had a child together and that their descendants became the Merovingian dynasty of France

11.  The Journal of Discourses: Volume 11, page 269, mentions Jesus having multiple wives

12. "Jesus and the Lost Goddess" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy: This book explores the idea of Jesus and Mary Magdalene as a divine couple and suggests polygamy.

 

 

1.       [2] The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus Christ by Levi Dowling (1908): This book claims Jesus' marriage to Mary Magdalene and suggests that the wedding at Cana was His own.

2.       The Gospel of Philip (a Gnostic text): This text mentions Jesus' relationship with Mary Magdalene and implies a possible intimate connection, but does not explicitly state that the wedding at Cana was His own.

3.       The Gospel of Mary (a Gnostic text): Similar to The Gospel of Philip, this text mentions Jesus' close relationship with Mary Magdalene but does not explicitly state that the wedding at Cana was His own.

4.       "Jesus and the Lost Goddess" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy (2001): This book explores the idea of Jesus and Mary Magdalene as a divine couple and suggests that the wedding at Cana might have been their own.

5.       "The Jesus Mysteries" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy (1999): Another book by the same authors, examining the possibility of Jesus being married and the wedding at Cana being His own.

 

1.       [3] Doctrine and Covenants 138:11-13: This section describes a vision of the afterlife, where Jesus appears and teaches about the "ordinances of the house of the Lord." Some interpret this as a reference to the Endowment ordinance.

2.       The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, p. 535: The former President suggests that Jesus may have received "all the ordinances of the temple" during His transfiguration.

3.       The Life and Teachings of Jesus and His Apostles, p. 434: This manual states that Jesus "received the fulness of the Father" during the transfiguration, which some interpret as including Temple ordinances like the Endowment.

4.       The Guide to the Scriptures, "Transfiguration": This online resource mentions that Jesus "received the fulness of the Father" and that this experience "may have included Temple ordinances."

 

[4] See Elder Henry B. Eyring, “Waiting upon the Lord,” Brigham Young University 1990–91 Devotional and Fireside Speeches, 22. https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/henry-b-eyring/waiting-upon-lord/  

You forgot The Da Vinci Code in your list of references...  

Edited September 20, 2024 by MiserereNobis

[MiserereNobis]

6 hours ago, Stargazer said:

We know so little about his pre-ministry life, and only a little more about his ministry life, so any speculation about these kinds of details is completely without merit. Jesus Christ's exaltation is certain. Who was his wife or wives? We know nothing about any of it. WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW.  I feel inclined to say that the matter should just be left alone. But of course some people just like poking hibernating bears.

Jesus Christ is NOT like any of us. While in mortality, he was already immortal. He could not die unless he willed it. While in mortality, he remained sinless, despite temptation that none of us would have been able to withstand. He was EXCEPTIONAL in all senses of the word. He is the ATONER. He is the LAWGIVER, which makes him OUTSIDE the law -- ALL OF THEM. Any insistence that his post-mortality course resemble ours is completely stupid.

I've noticed the trend among LDS to sometimes, in my opinion and belief, overly humanize Christ. I know it's a paradox like all mysteries surrounding the Trinity, but Catholics believe Christ was 100% human and 100% divine, and that his divine nature is absolutely distinct from our nature.

[Calm]

6 hours ago, nuclearfuels said:

Agreed, 100%
Just curious - who was the Sealer at His wedding? Moses, Elias, Elijah I suppose are candidates if it occurred at the Mt of Transfiguration 

Is there any indication anywhere that any women were around at the time?

[nuclearfuels]

7 hours ago, MiserereNobis said:

You forgot The Da Vinci Code in your list of references...  

So true! I used Meta.ai to help w/ the research. Meta suggested the Da Vinci Code but IMHO, the Savior being married and having kids doesn't lessen His Divine nature, it strengthens it. 

Also, I've been researching the Catholic Church's policy on clerical celibacy - some Gen AI tools suggest it wasn't officially announced until roughly 400 - 500 AD. Is that correct?

[nuclearfuels]

7 hours ago, teddyaware said:

Elijah

Agreed. 
So - likely the Mt of Transfiguration then.

[The Nehor]

10 hours ago, teddyaware said:

A physical body if needed in order to perform the gospel ordinances.

Then how was Adam baptized by the Holy Ghost?

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, nuclearfuels said:

So true! I used Meta.ai to help w/ the research. Meta suggested the Da Vinci Code but IMHO, the Savior being married and having kids doesn't lessen His Divine nature, it strengthens it. 

Also, I've been researching the Catholic Church's policy on clerical celibacy - some Gen AI tools suggest it wasn't officially announced until roughly 400 - 500 AD. Is that correct?

Clerical celibacy was mandatory in the Latin church in the 12th century. Two councils required it. There is a long tradition leading up to it.

[MiserereNobis]

3 hours ago, nuclearfuels said:

So true! I used Meta.ai to help w/ the research. Meta suggested the Da Vinci Code but IMHO, the Savior being married and having kids doesn't lessen His Divine nature, it strengthens it. 

Also, I've been researching the Catholic Church's policy on clerical celibacy - some Gen AI tools suggest it wasn't officially announced until roughly 400 - 500 AD. Is that correct?

The Latin Rite requires it, but it is not dogma. The Eastern Catholic Churches, fully Catholic, have married clergy. 

[Stargazer]

20 hours ago, MiserereNobis said:

I've noticed the trend among LDS to sometimes, in my opinion and belief, overly humanize Christ. I know it's a paradox like all mysteries surrounding the Trinity, but Catholics believe Christ was 100% human and 100% divine, and that his divine nature is absolutely distinct from our nature.

We tend to overly humanize him because we regard him as our Elder Brother.

In any conversation about his wife or wives, there is a tendency to see him as completely understanding our mortal condition because he experienced a similar mortal life. And part of the experience is marriage and children. Does Christ need to have a marriage partner and children to perform his mission? I've equivocated over the question for years, and I finally come down to is this: I don't need to know; whatever it is will be revealed at some time. Until then it doesn't matter. 

[teddyaware]

13 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Then how was Adam baptized by the Holy Ghost?

The verse of scripture you’re referring to doesn’t specifically say the Holy Ghost baptized Adam. That’s a supposition on your part. What it says is that he was caught away by the Spirit of the Lord (most definitely to a location where there was sufficient water to perform a baptism by immersion), and thereafter he was somehow carried down to the water, then laid under the water, and finally brought forth out of the water. Verse 64 of Moses 6 is ambiguous and doesn’t allow for one to draw a certain conclusion as to precisely how the baptism of Adam was performed.  And please note that the Spirit of the Lord didn’t descend upon Adam until after he was baptized by water.

64 And it came to pass, when the Lord had spoken with Adam, our father, that Adam cried unto the Lord, and he was caught by the Spirit of the Lord, and was carried down into the water, and was laid under the water, and was brought forth out of the water.

65 And thus he was baptized, and the Spirit of God descended upon him, and thus he was born of the Spirit, and became quickened in the inner man. (Moses 6)

Edited September 21, 2024 by teddyaware

[The Nehor]

3 minutes ago, teddyaware said:

The verse of scripture you’re referring to doesn’t specifically say the Holy Ghost baptized Adam. That’s a supposition on your part. What it says is that he was caught away by the Spirit of the Lord (most definitely to a location where there was sufficient water to perform a baptism by immersion), and thereafter he was somehow carried down to the water, then laid under the water, and finally brought forth out of the water. Verse 64 of Moses 6 is ambiguous and doesn’t allow for one to draw a certain conclusion as to precisely how the baptism of Adam was performed.  And please note that the Spirit of the Lord didn’t descend upon Adam until after he was baptized by water.

64 And it came to pass, when the Lord had spoken with Adam, our father, that Adam cried unto the Lord, and he was caught by the Spirit of the Lord, and was carried down into the water, and was laid under the water, and was brought forth out of the water.

65 And thus he was baptized, and the Spirit of God descended upon him, and thus he was born of the Spirit, and became quickened in the inner man. (Moses 6)

No, it is a supposition on your part that it requires a physical body.

[nuclearfuels]

On 9/21/2024 at 1:15 AM, The Nehor said:

Clerical celibacy was mandatory in the Latin church in the 12th century. Two councils required it. There is a long tradition leading up to it.

True - the tradition starting generally after St Patrick's life