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Jesus'S Wife: Referred To In Coptic Papyrus Fragment

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Damien the Leper Grand Master

Damien the Leper

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So are you waiting for a certified copy of the marriage license?

You mean like Joe Arpaio and his stooges are waiting for a 'real' Barack Obama birth certificate?

Just kidding...

Nah...there never was or will be a marriage license.

Damien the Leper Grand Master

Damien the Leper

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Mary Probably wasn't to impressed with those ultra human methods when she was 8 1/2 months pregnant. So which SciFi explanation do you like best?

All joking aside, since I am an atheist I do not believe there was an actual immaculate conception. Mary probably got pregnant by either Joseph or some other guy.

No scifi or mystical explanation is needed or reasonable.

wenglund Grand Master

wenglund

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I was stopping a flawed argument before someone decided to use it. I disagree that marriage is the first institution of God. I would argue that life and obedience came first.

Again, there is no substantial evidence to maintain the notion that God, Himself, is married or that Jesus was-is.

So you say.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Damien the Leper Grand Master

Damien the Leper

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The thing is, Mary was "human", so one of her eggs had to be fertilized by a male otherwise she would not have become pregnant.

That's how it works for our species, ya know. Some male has to somehow fertilize the egg of a female with a part of himself, usually referred to as sperm.

Or maybe you think our Father just put a fully formed baby embryo in her womb and Mary just carried that baby Jesus in her womb until he was ready for her to give birth to him, which would mean Mary wasn't really the human Mother of Jesus, which would mean Jesus didn't get the "human" part of himself from her, which would mean there would have needed to be some other human for Jesus to get the "human" part of himself.

So how would he have become 100% human while also being 100% divine, do ya think?

If Mary was his Mother, and God our Father was his Father, then our Father had to somehow fertilize one of her eggs with his own sperm so Mary could get pregnant just as all other human females get pregnant.

It would seem that God is the author of all laws and because He is God He is capable of doing anything He wants. There doesn't need to be a natural human explanation for how God decides to create a being. Look at the creation account. Who gave birth to the physical body of Adam? What about Eve? She was created from a rib...no egg or sperm involved in either.

Damien the Leper Grand Master

Damien the Leper

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So you say.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Amazing rebuttal, Wade. You really got me there. I guess I'm going to have to go back and re-read all the wacked out information I've read on the matter so that I can be better informed.

wenglund Grand Master

wenglund

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Amazing rebuttal, Wade. You really got me there.

Fascinating reaction. Perhaps you didn't realize that I was using your own words.

I guess I'm going to have to go back and re-read all the wacked out information I've read on the matter so that I can be better informed.

Or, so you say.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Damien the Leper Grand Master

Damien the Leper

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Fascinating reaction. Perhaps you didn't realize that I was using your own words.

Or, so you say.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

I did realize it. But I chose not to dignify your antics with an appropriate response because you have hardly warranted one.

Calm Grand Master

Calm

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I've visited Canada. I would love to go to Russia.

It was a great experience, but not one I would want to repeat. We took our kids, they were way too isolated as the Russians wouldn't even smile at us (and we wore Canadian badges on our backpacks and stuff having experienced some hatred when we were with an American group). Thank goodness for church so they had a little contact with other kids, but they all lived too far away except for the mission president's little girl that we took to the zoo once. If we hadn't been in Moscow, they might have been friendly. When we first went over, we went on a cruise and the kids at the small towns were very friendly; the missionaries said it was interesting as they had met many who had never seen an American before and were shocked when the young men started speaking Russian but many in the small towns were friendly to them. Edited by calmoriah
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volgadon Grand Master

volgadon

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The Ukraine

My wife is from Ukraine (they feel quite hurt when the article is used), studied law, and I've been there a little bit. As much as I dislike the American political system (and I do), it compares quite favourably to that in Ukraine.

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DBMormon Grand Master

DBMormon

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You are onto something most assuredly. The FLDS and other polygamist that are breakoff groups of the church, believe that Jesus was married and lived polygamy. Maybe it was our belief at one time also.

again belief and doctrine are different - refer again to Elder Christofferson talk in the last conference.

Saints Alive Veteran

Saints Alive

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My wife is from Ukraine (they feel quite hurt when the article is used), studied law, and I've been there a little bit. As much as I dislike the American political system (and I do), it compares quite favourably to that in Ukraine.

It seems to me that it is quite easy to say you would rather live somewhere else from the comfort of your computer chair.

Deborah Grand Master

Deborah

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I remember a report that JS identified an individual as a direct descendant of Christ. Perhaps someone can identify the source.

I remember hearing this years ago as well, but don't recall the source. In fact I heard that Joseph Smith himself was a direct descendant of Jesus. This was based if I recall on some scriptures about the stem of Jesse in D&C 113: "Behold, thus saith the Lord: It is a servant in the hands of Christ, who is partly a descendant of Jesse as well as of Ephraim, or of the house of Joseph, on whom there is laid much power." The stem of Jesse of course being Christ.

Deborah Grand Master

Deborah

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I can remember a professor talking about the wedding in which Jesus' mother asked him to make more wine being Jesus' own wedding which would explain his concern with it as the host.

It's so funny to see the reaction of the non-LDS world to this because we pretty much take it in stride and because scholars have long indicated that it is rational that Jesus would be married given the culture and requirements for Rabbis to be married. I don't think it matters at all in LDS theology but as has been pointed out exaltation requires sealing as husband and wife and we know Jesus is exalted, so whether in this life or the next he was at some point sealed to another.

http://judaism.stack...d-to-be-married

wenglund Grand Master

wenglund

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I did realize it. But I chose not to dignify your antics with an appropriate response because you have hardly warranted one.

Likewise, which is why I used your own words back at you. :)

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

DBMormon Grand Master

DBMormon

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Likewise, which is why I used your own words back at you. :)

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

na na nah boo boo...... :crazy:8P:P

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volgadon Grand Master

volgadon

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I can remember a professor talking about the wedding in which Jesus' mother asked him to make more wine being Jesus' own wedding which would explain his concern with it as the host.

What kind of servants need be told in the middle of the wedding to obey the host?

It's so funny to see the reaction of the non-LDS world to this because we pretty much take it in stride and because scholars have long indicated that it is rational that Jesus would be married given the culture and requirements for Rabbis to be married. http://judaism.stack...d-to-be-married

Except that rabbis did not exist yet, nor was there a requirment that they be married, and in Jesus' day, men tended to marry late. By late I mean mid-30s to 40s.

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DBMormon Grand Master

DBMormon

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This is one of your more eloquent posts. Do you mind if I quote you in my signature line?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Sticks and stones....lol sure

wenglund Grand Master

wenglund

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Can we please raise this above kindergarten exchanges?

I don't know that the chances of this happening will be increased by asking childish questions like this.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

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