All Muslims Are Christians!

[Rob Bowman]

I found this Facebook piece fascinating and, well, surprisingly relevant to some of the recent threads here.

All Muslims are Christians!!

by Riyas Majeed on Sunday, August 5, 2012 at 7:02am

This article is intended to anyone who thinks that Islam and Christianity are two different religions. From the little knowledge I have about the Quran and Bible, I found that Islam just completes Christianity and not at all a different religion. But the sad truth is that current “Christianity” is quite far from the teachings of Jesus (PBUH) in Bible and thus it is also far from Islam.

I do not intend to degrade or attack any religion with this article, but all I intend is to reduce the gap between the two great religions with my knowledge of Bible and what Jesus (PBUH) taught through the Bible. I learnt more about Jesus (PBUH) through Bible and felt much more close to him than ever before and I feel I became a better Muslim and a Christian as well....

Christian: One who follows Jesus Christ (Peace Be Upon Him) and holds tightly to his teachings. Thus not everyone who has "Christian" written in his certificates or baptized is not necessarily a Christian according to this article....

Considering all these above points which a good or even an average Muslim strictly follows, I can very well say:

Every Good Muslim is a Better Christian than the Best “Christians”.

To review:

• Islam and Christianity are not two different religions.
  
• Islam just completes Christianity.
  
• Current "Christianity" does not agree with the teachings of Jesus.
  
• The Muslim author is not attacking or denigrating anyone else's religion.
  
• A Christian is someone who follows Jesus Christ and adheres to his teachings.
  
• By this definition, the Muslim is a Christian; in fact, he is a better Christian than those who call themselves "Christians."
  

And if you don't agree, you're an anti-Muslim bigot. So there.

Edited September 11, 2012 by Rob Bowman

[The Nehor]

Why are people with "little knowledge" always so outspoken with their half-baked ideas? It is like listening to Middle Schoolers trying to be deep. You just feel sorry for them.

[Ahab]

Why are people with "little knowledge" always so outspoken with their half-baked ideas? It is like listening to Middle Schoolers trying to be deep. You just feel sorry for them.

Oh, come on now. A little encouragement can go a long way. We're all about building people up, not tearing them down.

Let's just applaud them for the good they are doing and learning. They'll eventually learn there is a lot more for them to learn.

[The Nehor]

Oh, come on now. A little encouragement can go a long way. We're all about building people up, not tearing them down.

Let's just applaud them for the good they are doing and learning. They'll eventually learn there is a lot more for them to learn.

I am afraid that is a lie. Most never realize how ignorant they are. Being on Facebook and YouTube make me realize how merciful God is in not having wiped out humanity as a regrettable mistake.

[Calm]

I am afraid that is a lie. Most never realize how ignorant they are. Being on Facebook and YouTube make me realize how merciful God is in not having wiped out humanity as a regrettable mistake.

People assume that just because we have stopped physically growing, mankind can reach the adult state in mortality. Personally I don't think more than a few percentagewise (and quite possibly no one at all considering how I don't really know anyone in what I would call a full adult stage) mature past the point of being a teenager no matter how wrinkled we get. I don't think God has that high of expectations of humanity during mortality as you do since he gives us additional time postdeath to actually grow up. Edited September 11, 2012 by calmoriah

[Ahab]

I am afraid that is a lie. Most never realize how ignorant they are.

All lies have some truth in them. What part of what I said do you think is a lie? That they'll eventeually learn there is a lot more for them to learn? I didn't say they would enjoy learning the error of their wicked ways, and I didn't say they would learn to be righteous. Learning isn't always fun.

Being on Facebook and YouTube make me realize how merciful God is in not having wiped out humanity as a regrettable mistake.

Do you remember how bad you used to be? Even a little progress is commendable.

[The Nehor]

Do you remember how bad you used to be? Even a little progress is commendable.

I resent that sir and challenge you to a duel to redeem my honor. You choose location. I will choose weapons. I am torn between silly string and some kind of fresh fruit.

[Ahab]

People assume that just because we have stopped physically growing, mankind can reach the adult state in mortality. Personally I don't think more than a few percentagewise (and quite possibly no one at all considering how I don't really know anyone in what I would call a full adult stage) mature past the point of being a teenager no matter how wrinkled we get. I don't think God has that high of expectations of humanity during mortality as you do since he gives us additional time postdeath to actually grow up.

I feel you there, sister, but I think we scale a lot closer to primary tots than teenagers when compared to our Father. Little kids can be so awesome, sometimes, but they can also like they're still in their terrible 2's when No is one of their favorite words. I often wish I was still as sweet as I was as a very young child, and then I realize I don't have to be that young to act like I am.

[Ahab]

I resent that sir and challenge you to a duel to redeem my honor. You choose location. I will choose weapons. I am torn between silly string and some kind of fresh fruit.

Nerf rifles, please, at 3 paces.

[Calm]

I feel you there, sister, but I think we scale a lot closer to primary tots than teenagers when compared to our Father. Little kids can be so awesome, sometimes, but they can also like they're still in their terrible 2's when No is one of their favorite words. I often wish I was still as sweet as I was as a very young child, and then I realize I don't have to be that young to act like I am.

Wouldn't be the least bit surprised....

[bluebell]

That facebook page seems to be an example of someone being creative with their definition of what a Christian is. I agree that it is very much relevant to many of the threads here.

[Vance]

Current "Christianity" does not agree with the teachings of Jesus.

By 'Current "Christianity" ' he obviously means only Traditional Orthodox Christianity.

By this definition, the Muslim is a Christian; in fact, he is a better Christian than those who call themselves "Christians."

And by 'those who call themselves "Christians" ' he obviously is referring to only Traditional Orthodox Christians.

Edited September 11, 2012 by Vance

[mfbukowski]

I guess the purpose of this thread is to show us how much of an impartial scholar and theologian Rob is.

On the other hand, if he were just arguing for arguing's sake, he might start a thread on ......

Uh,

nevermind.

[cassieblanca]

Islam and Christianity are not two different religions.

• Islam just completes Christianity.
  
• Current "Christianity" does not agree with the teachings of Jesus.
  
• The Muslim author is not attacking or denigrating anyone else's religion.
  
• A Christian is someone who follows Jesus Christ and adheres to his teachings.
  
• By this definition, the Muslim is a Christian; in fact, he is a better Christian than those who call themselves "Christians."
  

And if you don't agree, you're an anti-Muslim bigot. So there.

I have read the Qu'ran cover to cover. Islam does not complete the teachings of Christianity. There are many similarities between the Qu'ran and the Bible, and I will say without hesitating that there is a lot of truth and beauty in the Qu'ran. I was very interested as I read it. But where it not only differs, but clashes with Christianity, is that the Qu'ran teaches that although Jesus was a good prophet, he was mortal, not divine. It is very clear and very strong that not only is Jesus not divine, but that it is wrong to believe He is. So I would say that when there is such a major difference in the defining point of whether someone is Christian or not, you can't say that the religions are the same. I believe that they believe in the same God - they just call Him by a different name and believe different things about Him than we do. But the fact that they reject Jesus Christ's divinity, and the whole point of His mission on earth - to save and redeem all mankind - makes them not Christian, and I don't think any Muslim would disagree with me.

Although I will not argue the point that many Muslims behave in a more "Christian" like manner than many Christians. A great number of Christians I have known do not act very "Christian."

[Calm]

Well said, cassie.

[The Nehor]

Although I will not argue the point that many Muslims behave in a more "Christian" like manner than many Christians. A great number of Christians I have known do not act very "Christian."

As someone who is primarily a writer can I just add that I hate that the word "Christian" has come to mean "good". It just confuses things to no good effect. Can't we just call people bad Christians and good Muslims and hell-bound atheists and avoid the pointless watering down of English.

[zerinus]

I found this Facebook piece fascinating and, well, surprisingly relevant to some of the recent threads here.

To review:

• Islam and Christianity are not two different religions.
  
• Islam just completes Christianity.
  
• Current "Christianity" does not agree with the teachings of Jesus.
  
• The Muslim author is not attacking or denigrating anyone else's religion.
  
• A Christian is someone who follows Jesus Christ and adheres to his teachings.
  
• By this definition, the Muslim is a Christian; in fact, he is a better Christian than those who call themselves "Christians."
  

And if you don't agree, you're an anti-Muslim bigot. So there.

I am sure that there are many Muslims who live exemplary lives according to the principles of their own religion, and as such outstrip many professed Christians who don't; and will therefore find themselves approved of God in the day of judgement when all are judged according to their works.

Religion is something that tends to give people a prejudiced outlook (not always in a bad sense). Everyone likes to think that his/her own religion is in which they have been brought up is the best. That statement by that Muslim guy should not be taken in a bad sense. That is his way of paying a compliment to Christians and Christianity. No harm is done by him thinking that by being a good Muslim he is also better Christian than some Christians are. He may even be right.

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

Why are people with "little knowledge" always so outspoken with their half-baked ideas? It is like listening to Middle Schoolers trying to be deep. You just feel sorry for them.

Truly sorry for them..

[Calm]

As someone who is primarily a writer can I just add that I hate that the word "Christian" has come to mean "good". It just confuses things to no good effect. Can't we just call people bad Christians and good Muslims and hell-bound atheists and avoid the pointless watering down of English.

Yes, it would be much better to use the term "Christlike" as it is very confusing, though it's probably insulting to some who don't believe in Christ when even that label is applied....though I have to admit that generally I love the ambiguous nature of English, makes for great poetry for one thing (well, also makes for lousy poetry). Edited September 11, 2012 by calmoriah

[Darren10]

The LDS do not necessarily believe that its sect of Christianity "completes" the Bible but restores biblical teachings. Now, if you were to ask me to choose Jesus over a prophet, any prophet: Joseph Smith, Isaiah, John the Beloved, Alma, etc, I'd choose Jesus in a heartbeat. I do wonder what Muslims would say if asked if they were to take Jesus over Muhammad? Afterall, Jesus was an imam according to islamic teachings. Here's what the LDS believe:

14 Arise and come forth unto me, that ye may ^athrust your hands into my side, and also that ye may ^bfeel the prints of the nails in my hands and in my feet, that ye may know that I am the ^cGod of Israel, and the God of the whole ^dearth, and have been slain for the sins of the world.

17 Hosanna! Blessed be the name of the Most High God! And they did fall down at the feet of Jesus, and did ^aworship him.

24 And now behold, these are the words which ye shall say, calling them by name, saying:

25 Having ^aauthority given me of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the ^bFather, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

26 And then shall ye ^aimmerse them in the water, and come forth again out of the water.

27 And after this manner shall ye ^abaptize in my name; for behold, verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are ^bone; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one.

(3 Nephi).

Anything in Islam approaches these teachings?

[cassieblanca]

Well said, cassie.

Thanks!

[volgadon]

though I have to admit that generally I love the ambiguous nature of English, makes for great poetry for one thing (well, also makes for lousy poetry).

http://www.mcgonagall-online.org.uk/gems/a-tribute-to-dr-murison

[cassieblanca]

As someone who is primarily a writer can I just add that I hate that the word "Christian" has come to mean "good". It just confuses things to no good effect. Can't we just call people bad Christians and good Muslims and hell-bound atheists and avoid the pointless watering down of English.

Yes, sorry; I agree- the word "Christlike" would have been better.

[Freedom]

Is a Christian someone who believes Jesus

1) is a real person

2) is the divine Son of God and our savior

3) is defined by the creeds

The New Testament teaches #1 & 2, so I think we can reject #3 as a requirement.

[Calm]

http://www.mcgonagal...e-to-dr-murison

My second of the day.