Does anyone know what time the Rapture starts today?

[ZealouslyStriving]

43 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Over half of the people currently detained by ICE have committed no crime. And no being in the US without documentation is not a crime. It is a misdemeanor. The current policy is institutionalized cruelty.

Or you could read the actual accounts of legal residents and citizens being scooped up to meet the current exorbitant arrest quotas being set by the administration and stop making up fairy tales that justify cruely. Or read about the inhumane conditions being utilized to hold them that are unjust no matter who you detain.

It is worth noting that in the Holocaust the German people were not told what was going on in them. They were called transit or work camps and the like. Propaganda was spread portraying them as humane or temporary and insisting they were filled with hardened criminals. You would have fit right in with the German populace justifying them and calling any attempt to portray them as monstrous to be false. Now, they are not as bad as the concentration camps in the Third Reich got in the end. Currently they are more like they were at the beginning. Hopefully they won’t get that bad. If they do though would you even know about it?

^^^^

How to call this administration and those who support it "Nazis" and "Fascists" without expressly calling them "Nazis" and "Fascists".

Same vile rhetoric getting people shot.

[teddyaware]

1 hour ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

^^^^

How to call this administration and those who support it "Nazis" and "Fascists" without expressly calling them "Nazis" and "Fascists".

Same vile rhetoric getting people shot.

Remember, these same hateful, violent people even consider the inspired Founding Fathers of the United States to be Fascists, so there’s no way to win them over short of a miracle. Such people will smirk and sneer as they confidently tell you the Founding Fathers were evil men, and some of them will do it even though they know the God of heaven openly declared to the world that they were just and honorable men who proved their mettle by risking their lives and fortunes in order to establish a righteous system of government that boldly proclaims that freedom and the inalienable rights of man have their origin in a just and merciful God. The Lord has even gone so far as to declare that without their courageous onward press to successfully establish the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States, while struggling against overwhelming odds, the gospel of Jesus Christ could not have been restored and the purposes of Gods would have been thwarted

Sadly, it’s unlikely that even the greatest of informed and reasonable minds will ever be able to pacify and restore to reason minds so inflamed with toxic enmity and lust for revenge.  And I must say there’s one thing of which I’m perfectly sure: if it were possible for these people to wipe all there enemies off the face of earth, instead of creating a Utopia they would generate a world so dark, evil and devoid of love that it would self destruct in paroxysms of self-destruction in a very short order. Even so, he who lives by the sword, answering hate for hate, will die by the sword and only serve to further intensify the toxicity. Zion will prevail only by a firm, steadfast reliance on the Prince of Peace.

Edited September 27, 2025 by teddyaware

[Calm]

30 minutes ago, teddyaware said:

these same hateful, violent people even consider the inspired Founding Fathers of the United States to be Fascist

Clumping everyone who labels certain groups racists into one group is not more helpful than lumping FLDS with LDS.  The Left is hardly monolithic in ideology or behaviour even if terminology at times is shared.

The Left treating the Right as monolithic is no more accurate, though I am more aware of variation on the right then the left (because I tend to be more interested in the positions of the Left than the Right so I pay more attention to them looking to see if there are reasonable solutions presented).

[ZealouslyStriving]

As much as I would love for there to be the unity the Church has called for, I believe it is a fool's errand at this point. It's like we are living in two completely different universes. The most tragic of last days prophecies are certainly now upon us. May God have mercy on our souls. 😔

[The Nehor]

3 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

^^^^

How to call this administration and those who support it "Nazis" and "Fascists" without expressly calling them "Nazis" and "Fascists".

Same vile rhetoric getting people shot.

If it was just rhetoric I would agree.

Instead of asking the hard question in a factual sense as to whether it actually fits the definition of fascism in the academic sense and not just as a rhetorical device. Here is one historian’s breakdown:

https://acoup.blog/2024/10/25/new-acquisitions-1933-and-the-definition-of-fascism/

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, teddyaware said:

Remember, these same hateful, violent people even consider the inspired Founding Fathers of the United States to be Fascists, so there’s no way to win them over short of a miracle.

That is objectively not true. Fascism wasn’t around at the time of the founding. There were reprehensible ideologies around like ‘scientific racism’ which led to many evils but it wasn’t fascism.

1 hour ago, teddyaware said:

Such people will smirk and sneer as they confidently tell you the Founding Fathers were evil men, and some of them will do it even though they know the God of heaven openly declared to the world that they were just and honorable men who proved their mettle by risking their lives and fortunes in order to establish a righteous system of government that boldly proclaims that freedom and the inalienable rights of man have their origin in a just and merciful God. The Lord has even gone so far as to declare that without their courageous onward press to successfully establish the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States, while struggling against overwhelming odds, the gospel of Jesus Christ could not have been restored and the purposes of Gods would have been thwarted

That is going way beyond what the scriptures say.

1 hour ago, teddyaware said:

Sadly, it’s unlikely that even the greatest of informed and reasonable minds will ever be able to pacify and restore to reason minds so inflamed with toxic enmity and lust for revenge.  And I must say there’s one thing of which I’m perfectly sure: if it were possible for these people to wipe all there enemies off the face of earth, instead of creating a Utopia they would generate a world so dark, evil and devoid of love that it would self destruct in paroxysms of self-destruction in a very short order. Even so, he who lives by the sword, answering hate for hate, will die by the sword and only serve to further intensify the toxicity. Zion will prevail only by a firm, steadfast reliance on the Prince of Peace.

“Please tone down the vile rhetoric. Also my opponents are genocidal self-destructive hellspawn opposed to all that is good and pure!”

[Damien the Leper]

The posturing of some on the right that suggests that they are somehow the more moral, godly and rational is just that. Posturing. Christian Nationalism is real and extremely dangerous. Especially the rhetoric of the post-millenial theonomists.

[let’s roll]

8 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Over half of the people currently detained by ICE have committed no crime. And no being in the US without documentation is not a crime. It is a misdemeanor. The current policy is institutionalized cruelty.

I know getting your facts right is important to you so I will point out that misdemeanors are crimes.  Some crimes, such as assault, can be either a felony or a misdemeanor, based on the severity of the act.  The maximum penalty for a misdemeanor is a year in jail.  

That said, some immigration violations are considered civil, not criminal matters.  Oddly enough, it is a crime to try to come into the country at a border checkpoint (port of entry) without authorization (e.g. sneak in in someone’s trunk) but if you cross the border without authorization anywhere else it is a civil violation.  Like any other crime, immigration crimes can lead to imprisonment.  The penalty for Civil immigration violations is typically deportation and deportation is a civil, not a criminal process.

I will now take off my lawyer hat.  Best regards.

[Calm]

1 hour ago, let’s roll said:

will now take off my lawyer hat.  Best regards.

Just double checking because I am spacing if you mentioned it before (brain is offline today), is this your work hat or a hat you keep for dress up?  

[Calm]

8 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

As much as I would love for there to be the unity the Church has called for, I believe it is a fool's errand at this point

Then it might be wisest for us to be that type of fool rather than just go along with the rest…

[Nofear]

4 hours ago, Calm said:

Then it might be wisest for us to be that type of fool rather than just go along with the rest…

One of the wisest things I've ever read on this board!

[ZealouslyStriving]

4 hours ago, Calm said:

Then it might be wisest for us to be that type of fool rather than just go along with the rest…

You misunderstood me, Ma'am. Did I say anything about "just [going] along with the rest"?

I am merely acknowledging that our attempts at unity, I fear at this far juncture, will be almost entirely fruitless- as prophecy indicates. Because all prophecy does eventually come true whether we like it or not. Peace, or even living in a fragile truce with or ideological opponents, will eventually come to an end. All signs indicate that end is essentially here.

[MustardSeed]

Either we are part of the problem or part of the solution. 

[ZealouslyStriving]

27 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

Either we are part of the problem or part of the solution. 

You can engage in a good cause with the knowledge of it's ultimate lack of success. They don't have to be mutually exclusive.

Mormon 3:12

Behold, I had led them, notwithstanding their wickedness I had led them many times to battle, and had loved them, according to the love of God which was in me, with all my heart; and my soul had been poured out in prayer unto my God all the day long for them; nevertheless, it was without faith, because of the hardness of their hearts.

[MustardSeed]

Self awareness is a necessary element to determining if one is part of the solution or part of the problem.  For example, right now, I’m part of the problem. 

[let’s roll]

9 hours ago, Calm said:

Just double checking because I am spacing if you mentioned it before (brain is offline today), is this your work hat or a hat you keep for dress up?  

Work…or at least it was before I retired a few years ago.

[bluebell]

14 hours ago, Damien the Leper said:

The posturing of some on the right that suggests that they are somehow the more moral, godly and rational is just that. Posturing. Christian Nationalism is real and extremely dangerous. Especially the rhetoric of the post-millenial theonomists.

I agree, and see it in both sides.  As a group, neither side is more moral than the other, though both are so sure of their righteousness that they are almost functionally identical now.

[california boy]

16 hours ago, teddyaware said:

Remember, these same hateful, violent people even consider the inspired Founding Fathers of the United States to be Fascists, so there’s no way to win them over short of a miracle. Such people will smirk and sneer as they confidently tell you the Founding Fathers were evil men, and some of them will do it even though they know the God of heaven openly declared to the world that they were just and honorable men who proved their mettle by risking their lives and fortunes in order to establish a righteous system of government that boldly proclaims that freedom and the inalienable rights of man have their origin in a just and merciful God. The Lord has even gone so far as to declare that without their courageous onward press to successfully establish the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States, while struggling against overwhelming odds, the gospel of Jesus Christ could not have been restored and the purposes of Gods would have been thwarted

Sadly, it’s unlikely that even the greatest of informed and reasonable minds will ever be able to pacify and restore to reason minds so inflamed with toxic enmity and lust for revenge.  And I must say there’s one thing of which I’m perfectly sure: if it were possible for these people to wipe all there enemies off the face of earth, instead of creating a Utopia they would generate a world so dark, evil and devoid of love that it would self destruct in paroxysms of self-destruction in a very short order. Even so, he who lives by the sword, answering hate for hate, will die by the sword and only serve to further intensify the toxicity. Zion will prevail only by a firm, steadfast reliance on the Prince of Peace.

The fact that you think leading your post with someone somewhere calling the Founding Fathers Fascists and implying those on the left support this idea in your post tells me how extreme your views are on the actually political climate in this country.  And if you think that extremism is only coming from one political  party also tells me that you and people like you are a major reason why this country is so divided.  Then stirring Christ and His message of peace and respect for others into this rhetoric is very distasteful to me.  The teachings of Christ should never be used as a weapon against another political group in my opinion.  Sure, there are those that should be condemned for what THEY say.  But lumping everyone together in some common stew as if everyone on the left agrees with these extremeness is shameful and very far from the teachings of Christ.  

Perhaps you should consider whether you are actually describing your extremism and ask yourself if you are an example of what Christ wants us to. be.

[InCognitus]

On 9/23/2025 at 4:26 PM, InCognitus said:

On 9/23/2025 at 4:20 PM, The Nehor said:

I want to be ready to start looting as soon as they’re gone.

As soon as you quit getting responses in this thread, you'll know.

I'm worried.  This thread will undoubtedly be locked soon and nobody will be allowed to post in this thread any longer, and @The Nehor will start his looting.  

[Chum]

When Godhood me creates future worlds, holes will occasionally open up and swallow all the awful people.  I'd call it the Crapture.  It'd be super popular with my adherents. 

[Chum]

28 minutes ago, InCognitus said:

... @The Nehor will start his looting.  

You got me here. I'd pay to watch this. 

[The Nehor]

4 hours ago, InCognitus said:

I'm worried.  This thread will undoubtedly be locked soon and nobody will be allowed to post in this thread any longer, and @The Nehor will start his looting.  

I got raptured and am looting heaven now.

[The Nehor]

22 hours ago, let’s roll said:

I know getting your facts right is important to you so I will point out that misdemeanors are crimes.  Some crimes, such as assault, can be either a felony or a misdemeanor, based on the severity of the act.  The maximum penalty for a misdemeanor is a year in jail.  

That said, some immigration violations are considered civil, not criminal matters.  Oddly enough, it is a crime to try to come into the country at a border checkpoint (port of entry) without authorization (e.g. sneak in in someone’s trunk) but if you cross the border without authorization anywhere else it is a civil violation.  Like any other crime, immigration crimes can lead to imprisonment.  The penalty for Civil immigration violations is typically deportation and deportation is a civil, not a criminal process.

I will now take off my lawyer hat.  Best regards.

Yeah, I was thinking civil and not criminal offense. Not sure why I called that a misdemeanor. Will probably blame it on being tired.