Earth shall be rolled together as a scroll

[bearhoof]

In both Mormon chapters 5 and 9 it notes that the earth shall be rolled together as a scroll. Chapter 9 adds that the elements shall melt with fervent heat.

What do you think it means to have the earth rolled together as a scroll? Are we thinking Pangea or something else?

[CV75]

3 minutes ago, bearhoof said:

In both Mormon chapters 5 and 9 it notes that the earth shall be rolled together as a scroll. Chapter 9 adds that the elements shall melt with fervent heat.

What do you think it means to have the earth rolled together as a scroll? Are we thinking Pangea or something else?

I'm sure the scroll means, figuratively (since it is an ancient phrase) and literally, that things will be "all wrapped up." Or closed for business/history as usual. The elements melting with fervent heat happens whenever the non-quickened come in contact with the presence of the Lord.

Because 9:2 follows these two phenomena with "that great day when ye shall be brought to stand before the Lamb of God," there may be a day for each kind of resurrection (first, second, last, etc.). Even a resurrected soul can be "wrapped up" (judged) and "melt with fervent heat" as Zeezrom in Alma 15:5, to the point of near annihilation (Alma 36:15-16).

[InCognitus]

14 minutes ago, bearhoof said:

In both Mormon chapters 5 and 9 it notes that the earth shall be rolled together as a scroll. Chapter 9 adds that the elements shall melt with fervent heat.

What do you think it means to have the earth rolled together as a scroll? Are we thinking Pangea or something else?

For the phrase, "rolling together as a scroll", imagine you have a scroll open on a table top, and you let go of the scroll.  What happens?  The scroll rolls up and you can see the table top.

I think those phrases in Mormon 5:23 and Mormon 9:2 just mean that the earth is opened up, or that things are revealed that are hidden in the earth.  

We see similar phrases for the heavens being rolled together as a scroll in Isaiah 34:4 and Revelation 6:14, which I view as the heavens opening up to disclose things that were not seen previously.

[JAHS]

2 hours ago, bearhoof said:

In both Mormon chapters 5 and 9 it notes that the earth shall be rolled together as a scroll. Chapter 9 adds that the elements shall melt with fervent heat.

What do you think it means to have the earth rolled together as a scroll? Are we thinking Pangea or something else?

Might refer to the end of the earth. Like after reading or writing a scroll it is rolled up and the task is ended

[teddyaware]

2 hours ago, bearhoof said:

In both Mormon chapters 5 and 9 it notes that the earth shall be rolled together as a scroll. Chapter 9 adds that the elements shall melt with fervent heat.

What do you think it means to have the earth rolled together as a scroll? Are we thinking Pangea or something else?

These prophetic declarations are referring to the celestialization of the earth at the time of the final judgement, when the earth will transformed into a great Urim and Thummim. The fervent heat that the elements of the earth will be exposed to at that time will be so unimaginably intense that all the present geological features of planet earth will melt and be completely leveled, the expression “rolled together’ meaning that all the elements of the earth will melt together and be combined into one homogeneous celestialized mass. 

9 This earth, in its sanctified and immortal state, will be made like unto crystal and will be a Urim and Thummim to the inhabitants who dwell thereon, whereby all things pertaining to an inferior kingdom, or all kingdoms of a lower order, will be manifest to those who dwell on it; and this earth will be Christ’s. (D&C 130)

[Calm]

27 minutes ago, teddyaware said:

together’ meaning that all the elements of the earth will melt together and be combined into one homogeneous celestialized mass. 

How will we dwell on a massive ball of crystal?  What will we be doing?

I have always wondered how those who believe this is how the earth will end up, one gigantic seer stone, imagine how we live and act on the earth.  Will there be homes and if so how?  Serious question, very curious about it as my brain won’t go there and I am wondering how it can be imagined.

Edited June 10, 2024 by Calm

[ZealouslyStriving]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

How will we dwell on a massive ball of crystal?  What will we be doing?

I have always wondered how those who believe this is how the earth will end up, one gigantic seer stone, imagine how we live and act on the earth.  Will there be homes and if so how?  Serious question, very curious about it as my brain won’t go there and I am wondering how it can be imagined.

I'm with you on this. I want rivers, stream, mountains, valleys, trees and flowers, etc... living on a huge crystal ball isn't appealing to me. I'm thinking there's a lot of symbolism going on.

[Pyreaux]

Well, the D&C does say "like unto crystal" and the book of Revelation 4:6 says, “Before the throne there was as it were a sea of glass, like crystal.” And Revelation 15:2 says, “I saw what appeared to be a sea of glass mingled with fire.”, A “sea” near the throne of God is Temple imagery. Scripture does not elaborate much about what this sea of glass actually is composed of. Is it water so clear that looks like glass or solid? Does it move like the waves of the sea, or is it stationary? “Glass” gives the impression of stillness, but no verse says or demands a literal sea of glass; rather, it obviously has qualities both of the sea and of glass, the sea’s expanse and glass transparency or purity. Though the words “crystal” and “mingled with fire,” is describing a vivid brilliance. The earth obtained celestial "glory", a radiance, but people obtain glory don't become transparent, but they do obtain the like-radiant quality of crystalline fire. Even with "glory" we're still a fleshy, tangible, pliable substance, with the appearance of being on fire, much like the earth and things in it. The Tree of Life burns bright, but is still a tree, with 12 edible fruits, not inedible flaming glass fruit. "And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits", (Revelation 22:1-21)

Edited June 11, 2024 by Pyreaux

[teddyaware]

13 hours ago, Calm said:

How will we dwell on a massive ball of crystal?  What will we be doing?

I have always wondered how those who believe this is how the earth will end up, one gigantic seer stone, imagine how we live and act on the earth.  Will there be homes and if so how?  Serious question, very curious about it as my brain won’t go there and I am wondering how it can be imagined.

Read the linked article and perhaps your some of your questions will be answered. Hugh Nibley’s comments are especially interesting, pointing to laws of astrophysics beyond human imagination! https://latterdaysaintmag.com/what-will-the-earth-look-like-in-its-paradisiacal-glory/
 

[rodheadlee]

12 hours ago, teddyaware said:

Read the linked article and perhaps your some of your questions will be answered. Hugh Nibley’s comments are especially interesting, pointing to laws of astrophysics beyond human imagination! https://latterdaysaint

Nevermind

Edited June 11, 2024 by rodheadlee

[ZealouslyStriving]

12 hours ago, teddyaware said:

Read the linked article and perhaps your some of your questions will be answered. Hugh Nibley’s comments are especially interesting, pointing to laws of astrophysics beyond human imagination! https://latterdaysaintmag.com/what-will-the-earth-look-like-in-its-paradisiacal-glory/
 

So it's kind of like a holodeck?

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

So it's kind of like a holodeck?

Only for lower kingdoms. To see the higher kingdoms you still need to use a handheld seerstone that has a secret password WHICH YOU BETTER NOT FORGET!!!!!!

[teddyaware]

6 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

So it's kind of like a holodeck?

If, as we are told, even the post-resurrection telestial kingdom is beyond human understanding in glory and wonder, it stands to reason that it’s even further beyond the capacity of fallen mortals to comprehend the glory and inner workings of the celestial kingdom. But if Max Planck was correct when he postulated that all things that exist are fundamentally awareness and intelligence (mind), then I suppose some kind of holodeck scenario isn’t out of the question. 

Edited June 11, 2024 by teddyaware

[Ragerunner]

On 6/10/2024 at 12:03 AM, ZealouslyStriving said:

I'm with you on this. I want rivers, stream, mountains, valleys, trees and flowers, etc... living on a huge crystal ball isn't appealing to me. I'm thinking there's a lot of symbolism going on.

I think the authors of the scriptures do their best to describe things that are very hard for them to comprehend and then put it into mortal language. I think this is a good example of this challenge. 

[Ragerunner]

On 6/11/2024 at 12:00 AM, ZealouslyStriving said:

So it's kind of like a holodeck?

Holodeck with an amazing ASI.😃

[mfbukowski]

Meta narratives.

We talkin' poetry here, guys.

"Juliette is the sun"

That's one big hot mama!   😱

 

Edited June 16, 2024 by mfbukowski

[Bernard Gui]

I hope it’s all true. I can’t imagine anything more challenging, exciting, and rewarding than being tutored by the Master, playing in his sandbox, understanding how stars and and planets are created, fooling around with basic and unimaginable laws of physics and how God control’s them with his Word, fiddling with the Stradivarius I will learn to make…..

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

Edited June 18, 2024 by Bernard Gui

[mfbukowski]

On 6/9/2024 at 3:49 PM, bearhoof said:

In both Mormon chapters 5 and 9 it notes that the earth shall be rolled together as a scroll. Chapter 9 adds that the elements shall melt with fervent heat.

What do you think it means to have the earth rolled together as a scroll? Are we thinking Pangea or something else?

Actually those are all incorrect translations relative to 21st Century US lingo.

Today it would have been better to have said "The earth shall be rolled together as a burrito, then burned in the oven on the fervent heat setting".

Nothing worse than a burnt burrito.