David Archuleta's new single about he and (some in?) his family leaving the Faith

[carbon dioxide]

It’s an assumption that a parent and their children would be in what is called hell together.  The sealing power binds parent to kids.  So a parent and their children could be in “hell” but not necessarily together.  He’ll may be many places and people could be there and never cross paths.

[california boy]

19 hours ago, rpn said:

I think the twin issues of culturally adopting a there is a one, who we are in mortal life is more important than who we are eternally are both part of how this thinking gets foster.  See last 10 minutes particularly.

Next, we will hear from Josh Weed as he tells how successful his marriage was, followed by Dave Matheson who will tell us how he was married for 34 yeas to a woman before he went back to being with men.  Following those remarks, Tom Christofferson who went back to dating men after writing a book about his journey back to Mormonism.  Their remarks will be followed up by our own @SeekingUnderstanding, @Daniel2 and me, @California Boy who will talk about their attempts at marriage to "cure" them of homosexuality by marrying someone of the opposite sex.  The closing speaker for today will be David Archuleta who will put to rest this idea that if gay's just married, they too can be in a heterosexual marriage

[california boy]

4 minutes ago, carbon dioxide said:

It’s an assumption that a parent and their children would be in what is called hell together.  The sealing power binds parent to kids.  So a parent and their children could be in “hell” but not necessarily together.  He’ll may be many places and people could be there and never cross paths.

Yeah, let's squash this idea that those outside the Celestial Kingdom will ever see their loved ones again.  That is doctrine right?  We know that for sure, because that is what they deserve for all eternity. I think God said this didn't He?  Somewhere?  That should scare them enough to stay in a Church they no longer believe in.

Edited March 30, 2024 by california boy

[SeekingUnderstanding]

52 minutes ago, OGHoosier said:

> Member of the Church espouses opinion

Missed this one:

>Member of the church poses contradicting opinion

52 minutes ago, OGHoosier said:

> Critic says "in my experience most members of the Church don't think like this"

More correctly stated that one faithful members opinion is heard much more frequently in my experience. Which is in line with why Calm (yet a third faithful member) expressed concerns. 

52 minutes ago, OGHoosier said:

> Rinse and repeat

Was anything actually accomplished here beyond the production of hot air?

That’s up to you. Keep using Korihor if you want? Or not. Just know it comes with a crap ton of baggage when dealing with former members. If someone used it on me, I would infer that you are calling me a liar and accusing me of dealing with Satan. 

Edited March 30, 2024 by SeekingUnderstanding

[ZealouslyStriving]

21 minutes ago, Teancum said:

Your law of chastity is a man made constraint the religions and other power hungry movements impose on their adherents.  Controlling human sexuality is a powerful tool.  It is as man made as everything else is about religion.

"And thus he did preach unto them, leading away the hearts of many, causing them to lift up their heads in their wickedness, yea, leading away many women, and also men, to commit whoredoms—telling them that when a man was dead, that was the end thereof." -Korihor

*Nah... nothing like him.*

[Teancum]

20 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

This is where it gets tiresome.

This comment is rich.

20 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

 

You sound like gays/queers are the only ones that have to endure desires that are not in accordance with God's standards. 

The standards you impose are not God's standards.  But they are your religion's standards which makes it especially difficult in a unique way for those who are not heterosexual. 

20 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

God doesn't magically make inclinations go away,

Are you heterosexual? Can you make that inclination go away?  What if we lived in a world where your heterosexual "inclination" was a sin and you were told that to be in some god's good graces you had to never ever have a meaningful relationship with someone of the opposite sex.  How would you feel and navigate that?

20 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

 

He helps us make the choice to be obedient. But we have to have the desire.

 

Obedience to an imaginary being is overrated. 

[The Nehor]

19 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

"And thus he did preach unto them, leading away the hearts of many, causing them to lift up their heads in their wickedness, yea, leading away many women, and also men, to commit whoredoms—telling them that when a man was dead, that was the end thereof." -Korihor

*Nah... nothing like him.*

Please don’t kinkshame.

[The Nehor]

25 minutes ago, california boy said:

Next, we will hear from Josh Weed as he tells how successful his marriage was, followed by Dave Matheson who will tell us how he was married for 34 yeas to a woman before he went back to being with men.  Following those remarks, Tom Christofferson who went back to dating men after writing a book about his journey back to Mormonism.  Their remarks will be followed up by our own @SeekingUnderstanding, @Daniel2 and me, @California Boy who will talk about their attempts at marriage to "cure" them of homosexuality by marrying someone of the opposite sex.  The closing speaker for today will be David Archuleta who will put to rest this idea that if gay's just married, they too can be in a heterosexual marriage

[let’s roll]

I like David.  He has a great spirit.  The lyrics of his song come from his heart.  I wish him Godspeed in his journey.

[Teancum]

4 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

I'll let others decide if he fits the pattern.

Nah.  I only cause a ruckus here about things Mormon. I am pretty quiet about my agnostic skepticism at least amongst the LDS believers I know otherwise.

I was happy for you in, if I recall, your recent return to belief in Mormonism.  But based on some of your posting since then, I am not sure it has been a good thing for you.  You seem pretty rigid and harsh and judgemental.

[Teancum]

4 hours ago, OGHoosier said:

Imo these are not the defining characteristics of Korihor, more the clanging on about how religion is a frenzied mind manipulated by ancient priests for their own gain.

Yea probably.  Replace it today with modern day priests.

[Calm]

46 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

"And thus he did preach unto them, leading away the hearts of many, causing them to lift up their heads in their wickedness, yea, leading away many women, and also men, to commit whoredoms—telling them that when a man was dead, that was the end thereof." -Korihor

*Nah... nothing like him.*

I believe you are breaking board rules you agreed to abide by:

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• Judging others worthiness, questioning sincerity, mind reading or psychoanalyzing…

 

[Teancum]

2 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

I believe anyone who has been faithful in the past, when they first begin down the muddy path of apostasy, know, in their hearts that what they are espousing is incorrect- but as they repeat the lie over and over again, they come to believe it is "verily so".

Dude you are so wrong, at least as far as my experience goes.  And there is no cookie cutter "path to apostasy."  Everyone's journey is different.  I wish I could still believe in Mormonism.  But it is so patently obvious to me at this point that it is a man made and not what it claims that I cannot put the genie back in the bottle. And I have tried and tried. For a long time I tried and tried. It was a devastating experience for me.

[ZealouslyStriving]

9 minutes ago, Calm said:

I believe you are breaking board rules you agreed to abide by:

 

Wait... So those that are against the Church who constantly hurl such things at others are OK- but if I compare scripture to what they are saying I am somehow out of line?

[MiserereNobis]

Well, I googled Korihor and read Alma chapter 30. I guess @ZealouslyStriving's comments got at least one person to read in the Book of Mormon  

So, Teancum, you're the anti-Christ. And here I thought it was Bill Gates and nanobot vaccines...

I did find it interesting in verse 25 that Korihor states that the Nephites believe in original sin. Were the Nephites wrong and Korihor correct (from the current LDS view)?

[Calm]

9 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

Wait... So those that are against the Church who constantly hurl such things at others are OK- but if I compare scripture to what they are saying I am somehow out of line?

The purpose of the comparison matters.  Even the devil can cite scripture for his purpose.

I am happy to let the mods decide.

[ZealouslyStriving]

30 minutes ago, Calm said:

The purpose of the comparison matters.  Even the devil can cite scripture for his purpose.

I am happy to let the mods decide.

It's interesting- of all the posts I've made, my quoting scripture has got the most blowback.

[SeekingUnderstanding]

3 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

It's interesting- of all the posts I've made, my quoting scripture has got the most blowback.

Um, im pretty sure its you hiding behind scripture to accuse another poster of lying and working with Satan that’s the issue…

[ttribe]

3 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

It's interesting- of all the posts I've made, my quoting scripture has got the most blowback.

Quoting it to use it as a blunt rhetorical instrument is different than simply "quoting" scripture.

[The Nehor]

3 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

It's interesting- of all the posts I've made, my quoting scripture has got the most blowback.

Quoting scripture to compare someone to an antichrist might not be the same as just regular quoting scripture.

I suspect you know that though and are just playing word games.

[ttribe]

1 hour ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

Missed this one:

>Member of the church poses contradicting opinion

More correctly stated that one faithful members opinion is heard much more frequently in my experience. Which is in line with why Calm (yet a third faithful member) expressed concerns. 

That’s up to you. Keep using Korihor if you want? Or not. Just know it comes with a crap ton of baggage when dealing with former members. If someone used it on me, I would infer that you are calling me a liar and accusing me of dealing with Satan. 

Don't forget the whole worthy of being trampled to death thing. That's a real fun part.

[ZealouslyStriving]

1 minute ago, The Nehor said:

Quoting scripture to compare someone to an antichrist might not be the same as just regular quoting scripture.

I suspect you know that though and are just playing word games.

So calling out modern false teachings by comparing them to former false teachings is vorboden?

How in the world do we use scriptures for a latter-day survival guide for our day then?

[Daniel2]

Hey, everyone, let’s try and tone down any “you’re a cult!”/“”you’re Korihor!” and respectfully and peacefully continue the conversation in the thread to avoid having it shutdown, please?

[ZealouslyStriving]

14 minutes ago, Daniel2 said:

Hey, everyone, let’s try and tone down any “you’re a cult!”/“”you’re Korihor!” and respectfully and peacefully continue the conversation in the thread to avoid having it shutdown, please?

I will respect this as this is your thread.

I hereby back down... for now. 😺

Edited March 30, 2024 by ZealouslyStriving

[Calm]

34 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

It's interesting- of all the posts I've made, my quoting scripture has got the most blowback.

It’s not quoting scripture that is the issue if you go look at my reaction to other cases.