Sex Education

[Tacenda]

I wonder if the OP is so worried about anything relating to masturbation that he is using this as an alternative to make all the shame of masturbating go away. I understand because I see what some of what the church has taught about it, can mess with people.

[Calm]

2 minutes ago, dougtheavenger said:

Why does wiki censor facts about sex on their page about sex?

My guess is there is an editor who makes sure it stays the way he wants it. Did you look at the editing history to see if it had happened before, how often, and if same or multiple editors. 

Edited January 1, 2022 by Calm

[The Nehor]

41 minutes ago, dougtheavenger said:

Why does wiki censor facts about sex on their page about sex?

FACT 1 : Ending a period of celibacy lasting a few weeks with an orgasm produces a sensation similar to being kicked in the groin for a male.

FACT 2 : Ending a period of celibacy lasting years punctuated with occasional nocturnal emissions, with sexual intercourse produces a sensation similar to being kicked in the groin for a male.

FACT 3 : Nocturnal emissions produce no such sensation. Nocturnal emissions are devoid of the ecstasy and/or pain of orgasm.

CONCLUSION : Nocturnal Emissions are the token that a male is celibate and living the law of chastity.

Fact 1: Not a universal fact. See a doctor.

Fact 2: Not a universal fact. See a doctor.

Fact 3: Not a universal fact.

Conclusion: Inherently flawed.

Many sexually active males who are not living the law of chastity have nocturnal emissions. It is not a token of anything.

How about a new setup?

 

New Fact 1: This thread exists.

New Conclusion: You may want to do self-examination if this is a hang up or frustration or whatever.

Edited January 1, 2022 by The Nehor

[Scott Lloyd]

2 hours ago, rongo said:

Boys sometimes feel guilt, and don't understand that they had no control or agency with it. This should be taught by parents, but often isn't, so boys have to navigate this on their own, with whatever sources at their disposal.

President Kimball's "little factory" pamphlet, which is much villified, addressed this head on and made clear that this is natural, normal, and not a sin. Unfortunately, some good items like this aren't longer available as resources.

The pamphlet you reference here, titled “To Young Men Only,” was not from President Kimball but from Elder Boyd K. Packer. It was a transcript of a talk Elder Packer delivered in a priesthood session of general conference. It was published in pamphlet form because, at the time, it was deemed too sensitive to publish in Church magazines along with the rest of the conference proceedings. 
 

I agree it was a good and useful talk, and when I see it being vilified, to me, the vilification reflects more poorly on the vilifiers than it does on the talk or the speaker. 
 

Incidentally, I happened to be in attendance in the Salt Lake Tabernacle at the meeting where Elder Packer gave the talk. It has been clear in my memory since that time. 

Edited January 1, 2022 by Scott Lloyd

[The Nehor]

37 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I wonder if the OP is so worried about anything relating to masturbation that he is using this as an alternative to make all the shame of masturbating go away. I understand because I see what some of what the church has taught about it, can mess with people.

Puberty alone can do this to someone. Almost everyone has some kind of weird hang-up or interest or fetish or desire or whatever and it is not always tied to shame or anything else. It is just there because humans are weird.

Most people just don’t share it this way.

[dougtheavenger]

9 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Fact 1: Not a universal fact. See a doctor.

Fact 2: Not a universal fact. See a doctor.

Fact 3: Not a universal fact.

Conclusion: Inherently flawed.

Many sexually active males who are not living the law of chastity have nocturnal emissions. It is not a token of anything.

How about a new setup?

 

New Fact 1: This thread exists.

New Conclusion: You may want to do self-examination if this is a hang up or frustration or whatever.

I doubt it. Ending a period of celibacy commonly produces a sensation similar to being kicked in the groin. Of course this is the first time and diminishes with subsequent instances of intercourse.

[CV75]

Those missions in countries that have polar nights refer to themselves during those periods as "Nocturnally Missions", in fact, "the most nocturnally missions in the world."

[MiserereNobis]

49 minutes ago, dougtheavenger said:

Why does wiki censor facts about sex on their page about sex?

FACT 1 : Ending a period of celibacy lasting a few weeks with an orgasm produces a sensation similar to being kicked in the groin for a male.

FACT 2 : Ending a period of celibacy lasting years punctuated with occasional nocturnal emissions, with sexual intercourse produces a sensation similar to being kicked in the groin for a male.

FACT 3 : Nocturnal emissions produce no such sensation. Nocturnal emissions are devoid of the ecstasy and/or pain of orgasm.

CONCLUSION : Nocturnal Emissions are the token that a male is celibate and living the law of chastity.

“Facts” 1 and 2 are not facts. If this is your experience, something is wrong and you should see a doctor. 

Also, I bet the reason your wiki edits are being removed is because you are breaking the Wikipedia rules on original research. In a previous post, you said that your source was “me.” That is original research and is not allowed on Wikipedia.

This is one the weirdest threads I’ve seen on this board, and I’ve been here nine years.

 

[CV75]

6 minutes ago, dougtheavenger said:

I doubt it. Ending a period of celibacy commonly produces a sensation similar to being kicked in the groin. Of course this is the first time and diminishes with subsequent instances of intercourse.

Any chance they're doing it wrong?

[MiserereNobis]

7 minutes ago, dougtheavenger said:

I doubt it. Ending a period of celibacy commonly produces a sensation similar to being kicked in the groin. Of course this is the first time and diminishes with subsequent instances of intercourse.

CFR that having an orgasm after a few weeks of celibacy feels like being kicked in the groin

(this is perhaps my most favorite CFR ever issued)

[CV75]

5 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

CFR that having an orgasm after a few weeks of celibacy feels like being kicked in the groin

(this is perhaps my most favorite CFR ever issued)

It's just the male version of "you're on my hair!"

[dougtheavenger]

39 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Many sexually active males who are not living the law of chastity have nocturnal emissions. It is not a token of anything.

I doubt that

[dougtheavenger]

20 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

CFR that having an orgasm after a few weeks of celibacy feels like being kicked in the groin

(this is perhaps my most favorite CFR ever issued)

What is a CFR?

[dougtheavenger]

24 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

“Facts” 1 and 2 are not facts. If this is your experience, something is wrong and you should see a doctor. 

Also, I bet the reason your wiki edits are being removed is because you are breaking the Wikipedia rules on original research. In a previous post, you said that your source was “me.” That is original research and is not allowed on Wikipedia.

This is one the weirdest threads I’ve seen on this board, and I’ve been here nine years.

 

You are arguing with my reality

[MiserereNobis]

4 minutes ago, dougtheavenger said:

What is a CFR?

Call For References 

it is a board rule that when a CFR is issued to you, you need to respond with credible references to support your claim, or retract your claim. 

[MiserereNobis]

3 minutes ago, dougtheavenger said:

You are arguing with my reality

Then you need to go see a doctor.

[The Nehor]

5 minutes ago, dougtheavenger said:

I doubt that

And?

4 minutes ago, dougtheavenger said:

You are arguing with my reality

It might be your reality but that is a sample size of one and it is why people are saying you may want to see a doctor. That is not normal.

[dougtheavenger]

3 hours ago, bluebell said:

This is probably the weirdest thread topic I've seen on the board ever. 

But it's making me wonder, where does the idea that celibacy must include no orgasms come from?  Celibacy means not having sex.  If if nocturnal emissions did include orgasm (and I have no idea if it does or doesn't for males), the person would still be celibate as long as they weren't having sex.

First realize that celibacy is not universal or even a majority lifestyle. Remember the "competition" on Seinfeld.

Secondly consider what might happen if it were. What if people became more intelligent by living the law of chastity. ref-Seinfeld

[dougtheavenger]

My favorite episodes of Seinfeld are the ones where George meets the gang at the usual cafe and reveals that his mother caught him masturbating and says he's never gonna do that again. Everyone, Elaine, Cramer, and Jerry, are skeptical and they decide to hold a competition betting $100 each. In following episodes, George discovers that he becomes more intelligent by leading a celibate lifestyle. 

Not saying the George would immediately drop 15 IQ points by having sex with a Portuguese waitress as depicted in the show but I am asking you to consider that masturbation may make you stupid and, in fact, may be making society stupid. Intelligence comes from the Holy Ghost and chastity invites the Holy Ghost into our lives. So, a period of celibacy even if followed by a marital relationship could make you more intelligent. What if widespread chastity increased the IQ of the nation and world.

[bluebell]

33 minutes ago, dougtheavenger said:

First realize that celibacy is not universal or even a majority lifestyle. Remember the "competition" on Seinfeld.

Secondly consider what might happen if it were. What if people became more intelligent by living the law of chastity. ref-Seinfeld

The competition on Seinfeld was about masturbation though, which has nothing to do with celibacy.

 

[dougtheavenger]

12 minutes ago, bluebell said:

The competition on Seinfeld was about masturbation though, which has nothing to do with celibacy.

 

The competition was who could remain celibate the longest. You might need to watch Seinfeld on Netflix to get the context

[Scott Lloyd]

2 hours ago, CV75 said:

Those missions in countries that have polar nights refer to themselves during those periods as "Nocturnally Missions", in fact, "the most nocturnally missions in the world."

Nocturnal, not “nocturnally.” 
 

Missions is a noun and takes an adjective (nocturnal) not an adverb (nocturnally). 

[strappinglad]

Some 55 years ago, while in a Spanish class at the Language Training Mission , the teacher, a young man of about 25 , told us missionaries that we could control our thoughts even while dreaming and thus were responsible for " night dreams ". I metaphorically almost fell of my chair and chose to ignore that teaching. 

That said, I once was able to stop having a terrifying nightmare about falling by recognizing that I never hit the ground in the dream so in the last time I had the dream I just stopped myself about a foot off the ground and stepped down to the ground.

[strappinglad]

Scott, it's a play on words,  nocturnal -ee- missions. 

[Kenngo1969]

4 hours ago, rongo said:

... President Kimball's "little factory" pamphlet, which is much villified, addressed this head on and made clear that this is natural, normal, and not a sin. Unfortunately, some good items like this aren't longer available as resources.

That was President Packer, I believe (for which he was much maligned. )