Irony

[CA Steve]

Is when a thread on cleaning up our act online gets locked.

🤔

[bluebell]

We can’t even agree on how to be nice. 😂

[teddyaware]

The taste of beef liver.

[MiserereNobis]

The opposite of wrinkly.

[ttribe]

Yeah, well, when the thread author immediately calls out another member of the board, complete with example links (that you know he's been saving for a rainy day), it kind of sets the tone, doesn't it?

[The Nehor]

Like a free ride when you’ve already paid.

[Scott Lloyd]

Locking the whole thread was an overreaction. A more surgical treatment, like one or two thread bannings, might have been sufficient. 

[The Nehor]

48 minutes ago, ttribe said:

Yeah, well, when the thread author immediately calls out another member of the board, complete with example links (that you know he's been saving for a rainy day), it kind of sets the tone, doesn't it?

[Scott Lloyd]

Apart from one really obnoxious instance, the thread was not all that rancorous. The closure might have been more due to its veering off into politics than anything else. 
 

I suppose only the moderator knows for sure. 

[smac97]

2 hours ago, ttribe said:

Yeah, well, when the thread author immediately calls out another member of the board, complete with example links (that you know he's been saving for a rainy day), it kind of sets the tone, doesn't it?

The posts seemed apropos.  They were posted on this board.  They endorsed/celebrated extra-legal mobocratic violence.  They were from a self-professed member of the Church.

The "tone" of the thread was to support the Church's denunciation of calls for violence.  I do so again here.

I think the Latter-day Saint community ought to be paying attention to what we are saying publicly.  I do not want DezNat to be seen as representative of the Church.  I don't want other members of the Church who are publicly endorsing/celebrating extra-legal mobocratic violence to be seen as representative of the Church.

Someone suggested that he may have been trying to play the provocateur.  I thought of that possibility, but he kept going.  Then he said "I am being very serious with a touch of fun."  So, well, I took his comments seriously and at face value.

Thanks,

-Smac

Edited December 17, 2021 by smac97

[Calm]

So how long do you think this semirepetition of the locked thread is going to last, especially given the rule on debating moderator calls. 

[Calm]

3 hours ago, MiserereNobis said:

The opposite of wrinkly.

I am embarrassed I had to look that up to figure it out. 

[Calm]

4 hours ago, teddyaware said:

The taste of beef liver.

I haven’t sucked on iron that much, does liver actually taste like iron?  I love the taste of liver, especially with mushrooms and onions and a crispy baked potato. Flash back to childhood.

[Kenngo1969]

Give me some bacon and sauteed mushrooms and onions, and, as long as the liver is well done, definitely, I could go for that.  

[Peacefully]

Like good advice that you just didn’t take…

Edited December 17, 2021 by Peacefully

[CA Steve]

For some reason I just bought a lotto ticket, some Chardonnay and a plane ticket to a wedding.

Edited December 17, 2021 by CA Steve
obscurity

[ttribe]

54 minutes ago, smac97 said:

The posts seemed apropos.  They were posted on this board.  They endorsed/celebrated extra-legal mobocratic violence.  They were from a self-professed member of the Church.

The "tone" of the thread was to support the Church's denunciation of calls for violence.  I do so again here.

I think the Latter-day Saint community ought to be paying attention to what we are saying publicly.  I do not want DezNat to be seen as representative of the Church.  I don't want other members of the Church who are publicly endorsing/celebrating extra-legal mobocratic violence to be seen as representative of the Church.

Someone suggested that he may have been trying to play the provocateur.  I thought of that possibility, but he kept going.  Then he said "I am being very serious with a touch of fun."  So, well, I took his comments seriously and at face value.

Thanks,

-Smac

Whatever you say, Spencer.  Looked more like an effort to shame someone you spar with on occasion, but you do you.

[Amulek]

4 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Like a free ride when you’ve already paid.

The only thing ironic about that song (and I don't think this was done intentionally) is that pretty much none of the scenarios listed in the lyrics are actually examples of irony.

 

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, smac97 said:

The posts seemed apropos.  They were posted on this board.  They endorsed/celebrated extra-legal mobocratic violence.  They were from a self-professed member of the Church.

The "tone" of the thread was to support the Church's denunciation of calls for violence.  I do so again here.

I think the Latter-day Saint community ought to be paying attention to what we are saying publicly.  I do not want DezNat to be seen as representative of the Church.  I don't want other members of the Church who are publicly endorsing/celebrating extra-legal mobocratic violence to be seen as representative of the Church.

Someone suggested that he may have been trying to play the provocateur.  I thought of that possibility, but he kept going.  Then he said "I am being very serious with a touch of fun."  So, well, I took his comments seriously and at face value.

Thanks,

-Smac

I am sad that I live in a time where this is a controversial stance.

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, Amulek said:

The only thing ironic about that song (and I don't think this was done intentionally) is that pretty much none of the scenarios listed in the lyrics are actually examples of irony.

 

A song about irony that uses lyrics that are not ironic?

Sounds ironic.

Meta-irony!

[smac97]

2 hours ago, ttribe said:

Whatever you say, Spencer.  Looked more like an effort to shame someone you spar with on occasion, but you do you.

Kinda hard to "shame" someone I don't know, and who posts from behind a pseudonym.  But as long as he A) publicly represents himself as a member of the Church and B) publicly endorses/celebrates extralegal mobocratic violence, I will speak against that.

Our ancestors had their fill of the "mob justice."  

Thanks,

-Smac

[The Nehor]

4 minutes ago, smac97 said:

Kinda hard to "shame" someone I don't know, and who posts from behind a pseudonym.  But as long as he A) publicly represents himself as a member of the Church and B) publicly endorses/celebrates extralegal mobocratic violence, I will speak against that.

Our ancestors had their fill of the "mob justice."  

Thanks,

-Smac

My ancestors who crossed the plains to flee mob violence were not Nazis. Your mileage may vary.

[ttribe]

10 minutes ago, smac97 said:

Kinda hard to "shame" someone I don't know, and who posts from behind a pseudonym.  But as long as he A) publicly represents himself as a member of the Church and B) publicly endorses/celebrates extralegal mobocratic violence, I will speak against that.

Our ancestors had their fill of the "mob justice."  

Thanks,

-Smac

[smac97]

17 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

I am sad that I live in a time where this is a controversial stance.

"Nazis" being a pejorative label that anyone can, for any reason or no reason at all, attach to any other person.  And then comes the mob to mete out extralegal violence against that person.

An example:

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Two Marine reservists testified Dec. 13 in a Philadelphia courtroom about an incident a month prior in which they were reportedly maced, beat up and robbed by a group of 10 to 12 people with alleged ties to antifa, the left-leaning, oftentimes violent, groups who proclaim to be vehemently anti-racist.

Visiting Philadelphia on Nov. 17 with their Joint Base McGuire–Dix–Lakehurst, New Jersey, unit for an event at a nearby hotel, Alejandro Godinez and Luis Torres decided to do a little sightseeing of the historic city...

But unbeknownst to the Marines, a controversial “We the People Rally” was kicking off nearby, attracting a small alt-right crowd — with a much larger group, Tom Keenan and Thomas Massey included, of counterprotestors flooding the scene near Independence Hall, the magazine described.

Spotting the two visitors, not in uniform at the time, Keenan approached and asked, “Are you proud?" according to the Marines' testimonies.

“We are Marines,” Godinez claims to have responded, inevitably confused.

Keenan persisted with his gauche interrogation techniques. “Are you Proud Boys?" he allegedly asked, referencing one of the far right groups leading the rally.

“I didn’t know what Proud Boys meant,” Torres told the judge.

Godinez and Torres testified that immediately after the short exchange, about a dozen people — including Keenan and Massey — attacked the two Marines, punching and kicking them, spraying them with mace and calling them “Nazis.”

“I’m Mexican!” a “bewildered” Godinez said he shouted while being attacked and called a “white supremacist.”

With that newly-discovered ethnic information, Keenan and other members reportedly shifted to racial insults, calling Godinez “spic” and “wetback,” the Marine told the judge.

Imagine the Everest-like mountain of idiocy one must scale to accuse a person of being a racist, only to then transition to accosting that same person with a barrage of racial slurs moments after learning of his Mexican background.

As the group allegedly chanted “F--k him up," Godinez was maced at least six times, stomped, kicked in the side and hit in the head, he told the judge.

“The best way I can describe it is the sound of people chanting in a soccer stadium,” Godinez testified, adding that Keenan was “laughing, smiling, and having a good time, while I could have died that day.”

Torres, meanwhile, said he was holding his hands up near his head to protect himself while Massey struck him repeatedly with “full force.”

“We were outnumbered,” Gordinez said in a statement obtained by Philadelphia magazine. There were “two Marines against 10 to 12 assailants.”

When the attack finally subsided, Gordinez said he tried to dial 911, but was unable to see his phone’s display due to being maced.

Eventually, Torres was able to call the police and the two were transported to the hospital to be treated for injuries. Godinez testified that he is still dealing with the injuries he sustained during the attack and may require surgery.

Another example:

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Video shows ‘Antifa’ group block elderly couple’s path, yell ‘Nazi scum’

An elderly woman using a walker and her companion were blocked by a group of antifascist activists shouting, “Nazi scum, off our streets!” — and blocking the couple from entering a right-wing political rally, according to reports.

A widely circulated video shows the white-haired woman and a bearded man trying to cross a street toward Mohawk College in Hamilton, Ontario, on Sunday when three masked protesters block their path, according to the CBC.

Nehor: 

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We've had this discussion before.  If someone were to label you a "Nazi" or a "fascist," and then proceed to beat you to a pulp and destroy or steal your property, I don't you would respond with "a touch of fun."

True, I would punch them back and even try to have a “touch of fun” doing it.

Also Nehor:

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You wouldn't be saying that if you were summarily and arbitrarily called a "Nazi" and beaten up for it.

No, I would still be in favor on punching Nazis. I would probably have to punch the idiot (and possible Nazi) who claimed I was a Nazi too. But that is just a regular bump in the road for the dedicated Nazi Puncher.

Also Nehor:

• Yeah, punching Nazis is funny and people should rejoice when it happens.
• Everyone should unite in joy at things that frustrate, stop, or harm Nazis.
• War “laws” are broken in every war. Repeatedly. So yes, extralegal {violence}.
• Punching Nazis is not wrong...
• I didn’t advocate for burning down the homes of Nazis………..yet.

I think the counsel from the Church is apt. 

I am concerned about casual calls for extralegal mobocratic violence.

Thanks,

-Smac

[smac97]

13 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

My ancestors who crossed the plains to flee mob violence were not Nazis. Your mileage may vary.

Nor are Alejandro Godinez and Luis Torres.  They were, instead, Marines serving their country.

And even if they were, calling for extralegal mobocratic violence against them would still be wrong.

Thanks,

-Smac