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Chum Grand Master

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On 8/28/2021 at 5:20 PM, mfbukowski said:

strong scents for both men and women are discouraged

This must be divinely inspired. Cologne migraines are the worst.

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Chum Grand Master

Chum

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On 8/28/2021 at 2:56 PM, mfbukowski said:

In my stake in the early 80's, if you were called to any Ward Council position, you could not have facial hair.  

I keep facial hair hoping this is still the case. Just to be safe, I normally sport a ponytail. If that stopped working I could try a facial tattoo.

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Chum Grand Master

Chum

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On 8/29/2021 at 8:58 AM, CV75 said:

Social norms in grooming and dress is something Christ and His apostles past and present have used as a means of sharing the gospel message, by precept and example.

I struggle to use inauthentic white Jesus as an appearance example.

CV75 Grand Master

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3 hours ago, BlueDreams said:

When I looked on Wikipedia, there were only a handful of countries with beard/grooming laws of some sort. Most of these were limited to specific professions or religious exemptions. And a couple were countries that most of us will never visit or have an active presence in for a long time to come anyways (like North Korea). Even if there was, it would be simple to have cultural training or mission/area specific rules for when you’re called to be a representative in that specific area. that’s not exactly difficult. It makes no sense to me to care about for what is at this point a small sunset of the population freaking out about some facial hair for usually petty reasons (some variation of “I don’t like it” usually) as the determinate for how we should conduct ourselves globally or generally. 
 

with luv, 

BD 

Yes, I think it is too specific an issue to worry about on a Church calling requirement level. Exceptions can always be made in missions if deemed necessary.

CV75 Grand Master

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23 minutes ago, Chum said:

I struggle to use inauthentic white Jesus as an appearance example.

I think you look fine in that regard!

mfbukowski Grand Master

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1 hour ago, Chum said:

I keep facial hair hoping this is still the case. Just to be safe, I normally sport a ponytail. If that stopped working I could try a facial tattoo.

They may still call you, so you will get to turn them down. A few more demerits, I am afraid.

Chum Grand Master

Chum

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35 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

They may still call you, so you will get to turn them down. A few more demerits, I am afraid.

During Irma relief, I told the person trying to include me in her PR pics I had warrants out for my arrest. That finally got her to stop.

It might work with a Bishop too. Or I could also say I'm smoking porn.

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7 minutes ago, Chum said:

During Irma relief, I told the person trying to include me in her PR pics I had warrants out for my arrest. That finally got her to stop.

It might work with a Bishop too. Or I could also say I'm smoking porn.

If the Lord calls you to a calling, or if he inspires someone else to call you to a calling, I think you should realize he is willing to take you as you are in that calling  as long as you are trying to repent when you should repent.  

Having a beard is not a sin and you would have no need to repent from wearing a beard.  Smoking porn is probably a sin but at least by smoking it you would be burning it and therefore at least trying to get rid of it.

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bluebell Grand Master

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19 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

I wouldn't have found that funny.

The first time I served in a stake presidency, we were one morning discussing a calling, and one of the presidency members said that a certain brother shouldn't be considered because he had a beard. Then he looked straight and me whilst still talking to the stake president: 'Of course, you ignored me when I warned you that Hamba shouldn't be considered for his calling ...'

Afterwards, the stake president walked me out to my car. 'Don't you pay any attention to him', he said. 'The Lord is fine with you'. Sometimes people in the Church act like a$$es in the way they treat others.

My husband has a beard (a very full, longish beard-he gets many compliments from strangers) and is in our bishopric.  He's the first man in a leadership calling in our stake that hasn't been asked to shave (mainly because when the bishop requested him he said that he wanted him whether he shaved or not).  

The former stake president's (who was HUGE into people being clean shaven) wife spoke in our sacrament meeting a couple of months ago and when she shook my husband's hand and realized he was a counselor she told him that her and her husband would have held him down and shaved him (i'm sure she wasn't being literal, of course).  My husband, who is a very good man but someone who is not ever intimidated by other people, replied "no you wouldn't have", smiled, and walked away.

Seriously though, what is wrong with some people?!

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Peacefully Grand Master

Peacefully

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29 minutes ago, bluebell said:

My husband has a beard (a very full, longish beard-he gets many compliments from strangers) and is in our bishopric.  He's the first man in a leadership calling that hasn't been asked to shave (mainly because when the bishop requested him he said that he wanted him whether he shaved or not).  

The former stake president's (who was HUGE into people being clean shaven) wife spoke in our sacrament meeting a couple of months ago and when she shook my husband's hand and realized he was a counselor she told him that her and her husband would have held him down and shaved him (i'm sure she wasn't being literal, of course).  My husband, who is a very good man but someone who is not ever intimidated by other people, replied "no you wouldn't have", smiled, and walked away.

Seriously though, what is wrong with some people?!

Wow, just, wow. 

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Calm Grand Master

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20 hours ago, Bernard Gui said:

We hung the speakers out the window and started egging on the crowd. “Panty Raid!” became the rallying cry. As we sat laughing in our room, B3223, the mob ascended the hill toward Heritage.

Because strangers invading by force women’s personal spaces where they are supposed to feel safe and going through their intimate belongings is so funny. 

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21 hours ago, Bernard Gui said:

Ironically, that year my new roommate and I instigated the only “riot” in BYU history. A campus police car was damaged. It was not political…it was a panty raid from Helaman Halls on Heritage Halls. 😬

It was a hot Fall Friday night and a lot of guys were out of the dorms milling around the quad area. We had a big Sony tape recorder with a PA function. We hung the speakers out the window and started egging on the crowd. “Panty Raid!” became the rallying cry. As we sat laughing in our room, B3223, the mob ascended the hill toward Heritage. Campus police showed up but were badly outnumbered. There were some successful forays. 👏

It made the front page of the Daily Planet…I mean Daily Universe…the next day. The accompanying photo featured a bunch of guys including our Senior Resident Pat Simisky. He was not there as part of the raid, but along with other SRs was trying to get guys to go back to the dorms. He was not pleased with the photo. We were never identified, but now you know.  😲

There was a guy on our floor who could vomit at will. Will did not appreciate it. Made for some interesting photo commentaries posted on the Cannon Cafeteria bulletin board. 🤮

I hope this doesn’t make you think less of me. I was younger then.  😎

That, as an older man, you still seem to think it was cool to do to the women in that dorm--and still seem very proud of your role in it--does make me see you in a different light.  

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Bernard Gui Grand Master

Bernard Gui

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1 hour ago, Calm said:

Because strangers invading by force women’s personal spaces where they are supposed to feel safe and going through their intimate belongings is so funny. 

It was 1965. I was 18, still climbing Fool’s Hill, which at times for me was Fool’s Mountain. It was another world and I was a different person. At the time it was considered funny in the popular media and in the broader college environment.

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54 minutes ago, bluebell said:

That, as an older man, you still seem to think it was cool to do to the women in that dorm--and still seem very proud of your role in it--does make me see you in a different light.  

It was 1965. I was 18, still climbing Fool’s Hill, which at times for me was Fool’s Mountain. It was another world and I was a different person. 

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Calm Grand Master

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29 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

This was 1964. It was another world and I was another person.

Yet you are sharing this now even though it was irrelevant to the topic of beards as if you view this as a treasured moment of your past.  What was your reason for this walk down memory lane?
 

Have you considered how some of the women who were targeted might look back on the experience with feelings of humiliation and increased distrust of men?  I am not concerned with the 17 year old which no one can change at this point. I am not trying to attack you either, but it would be important and good in my view if you looked at it in a different way and considered the consequences of that day were more than just a damaged police car and fond memories to be shared with chuckles.

 

I have never understood why something someone would agree was a perversion and harmful if done by one person in hiding somehow just turns into a youthful prank if done by a mob openly. 
 

I am not accusing the 17 year old of being perverted or encouraging perversion. The culture of that time and unfortunately even now considers such things as pranks.  My disbelief is how our culture manages to do that. 

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Bernard Gui Grand Master

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4 hours ago, Calm said:

Yet you are sharing this now even though it was irrelevant to the topic of beards as if you view this as a treasured moment of your past.  What was your reason for this walk down memory lane?
Have you considered how some of the women who were targeted might look back on the experience with feelings of humiliation and increased distrust of men?

Of course it was a stupid and unkind thing to do. A treasured moment? No.  A sin of my youth. That is why I said I was 18 and climbing Fool’s Hill. Of course I am a different person now. But some sins are unforgivable, right?

Relevant in that it is a snapshot into a very different world where kids my age were killing and being killed, trying to avoid the draft, fleeing to Canada, hurting themselves to avoid going to an unpopular war, attacking ROTC people and property, burning buildings and destroying vehicles, bombing government buildings, assassinating politicians and public figures, trying to overthrow the government, indulging the Sexual Revolution, occupying university offices -and more- while we who were living in the BYU bubble were getting riled up about facial hair. 

Of course in hindsight it was thoughtlessly invasive to young women, but not to all. I don’t recall anyone going into a girls dorm. The dorm mothers locked the doors. Any “spoils” that were obtained were cast into the crowd from windows and balconies.

4 hours ago, Calm said:

I have never understood why something someone would agree was a perversion if done by one person in hiding somehow just turns into a youthful prank if done by a mob openly. 

The answer is in your term “mob mentality.” What started as a juvenile prank that was being done on many other campuses and glorified as innocent fun in the media grew legs of it’s own and became a happening at the Y. I learned a lot about mobs and respect there and never did anything like it again. As I said, I was climbing Fool’s Hill. It is a memory from another time. 

 And the beards remain an issue after all these decades.

 

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Calm Grand Master

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3 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

It is a memory from another time. 

That maybe you should keep it to yourself in the future out of respect for the women who have been victims of their intimate spaces being invaded or were catcalled as teens walking down a supposedly safe street or who were groped at a school dance or many other indignities that chipped away at our sense of safety and self respect instead of sharing it as if a manly rite of passage. 
 

This is not the first time you have shared the story on this board.  Maybe it can be the last time. 

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